Bike will not start - lost

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

I did these carbs. They were right. They were put back on the bike, ran for 250 miles and then a piece of trash got in a needle seat, holding it open. That's when the dealer got involved, removed the trash and reset the fuel float, which I'm sure should not have been done.

There was alot of rust in the carbs when I got them, I guess it was after the miles that the tank was addressed. Am I correct on this?

IF it's the carbs, here's some thoughts. 1) if the airbox isn't on, the bike won't start, don't know if it is or not.

If the tank sealant wasn't fully cured it can get into the carbs - I had a set that were full of the epoxy - and that could cause this.

I also think the FIRST thing you should do - before messing around with the carbs and creating more issues - is to find out if it even has spark. I'll gladly check the carbs out as I offered before, but please stay out of them, you're not going to make anything better in there, trust me - Steve

[MAN OF BLUES]

 

[sgilbert14]

Hi Steve, You did everything with the carbs that I could have wanted. My issues came from the tank and not your work. I would never have even hinted at that. The old liner look good at first glance but it was only after I borrowed a scope that I found that the back of it was falling down and filled with rust. This was after the 250 miles and the leaking overflow on carb 4. Into the dealer who said they found a piece of cloth in them - big questions to this fact? I only took them to the shop because they said that they would have them back in 2 days they did but it never ran since that day- 2 huge mistakes. All me - none you.

I did the liner right. Bought the Kreem large tank kit, followed all the directions and gave it 6 days to cure. The linker was like steel so I know that it is solid. Now, I would like to send them back to have them brought back from dealer death. The only think that I did to them myself was clean the bowls before they went to the dealer. Now, it may be early Spring when I send them down as the season up here is over, but down they will go as the should have the first time. The only part I checked was the bowls for rust, changed the bowl gaskets with the Kawasaki ones. Nothing else.

My mistakes include:
1) Only looking through to opening when I checked the tank using a small mirror - should of spent the $ and did them liner while the carbs we at Steve's.
2) Bringing them to the dealer after the bowl overflowed.
3) Putting the carbs back on the bike thinking that the second filter was enough.
4) Cleaning the bowls thinking that that was the issue.
5) Not listening to Steve about the tank in the first place as my tank inspection was crap.

Things that I have done - not messing with carbs
Checked and the spark is good.
Battery is holding a charge but I still need to test the voltage levels.
Checked the grounds, connections etc.. as I had all the plastics off to rebuild the Tabs using the Plastifix.

 

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

OK, this really could be the tank liner issue. I hope not, because it almost impossible to clean up, but let me explain.

the time I dealt with this was just a few months ago, and the tank sealant job was done by a very professional COG member, an engineer, a very thorough person. He also let it dry for more than the prescribed time, but the problem came from pools of sealant in the very lowest points on the sides of the tank. Those pools are deep, and not cured.

Todays gas is loaded with cleaning agents. I know, because Shell V power ate JBWeld epoxy i put in my intake ports back on 06, which was unscathed by gas back then. It'll eat the epoxy, and it gets in the carbs and gums everything up with a thin seal over the jets.

 Also, let me say I posted up the first post because the help you were getting, though good, didn't have the benefit of the knowledge I had of the situation. I posted because you were going to go down the rabbit hole and not accomplish anything, and I just wanted to stop the bleeding before it gets bad.

 Send the carbs back to me. Send them this winter. Soon, while I'm not slammed - not in the springtime! Let me see if they're the issue, if epoxy is the culprit, and you can at least get a plan together to get your bike running for next year. HTH, Steve

[sgilbert14]

Thank you Steve. I just wanted to make sure you knew that I your work was top notch. The tank job I did the same as the gut you knew. Everything in the directions I added 20% to and dried the tank between step long term with a hair dryer to make sure.. For the bike work, I hate doing carb stuff.. I can tear a car down and rebuild like I did when I turn my Mazda from and auto to a std because someone bet me I could not do it and not get any engine lights,,, sold the car 2 years later no lights... carbs I just do not like to play with... I will get them to you and you can take you time with them... I have a huge list to do on the bike prior to spring anyway.

[sgilbert14]

Hey Steve, I pulled that carbs before storing the bike so I will get them to you over the winter.

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

now is good! Steve

[sgilbert14]

Hi Steve, Cash is a bit tight due to the car needed new struts but I will get them down as soon as I can. Rough idea of $$ maybe? Steve

[timsatx]

Hi Steve, Cash is a bit tight due to the car needed new struts but I will get them down as soon as I can. Rough idea of $$ maybe? Steve

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[Steve in Sunny Fla]

Hi Steve, Cash is a bit tight due to the car needed new struts but I will get them down as soon as I can. Rough idea of $$ maybe? Steve

Just send them, let me see what's going on before we worry about cost. might not even be the carbs, who knows at this point. Steve

[sgilbert14]

I will see what I can do to get them to you soon. thanks

[JDM]

Just send them, let me see what's going on before we worry about cost. might not even be the carbs, who knows at this point. Steve

Steve, you are a good man. Hat is off to you.

[sgilbert14]

Better than good as I was giving up on the bike.. hope for the spring and a new interest in finishing my build

[JDM]

So where are you now with this Connie and its problems?

[sgilbert14]

The carbs are with Steve. The bike is in hibernation and I have plane for a paint job when she wakes... It has been a long summer without the bike but I have plans for some rides the next season.

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

Well, the carbs showed up today. I have only given them a cursory exam, so far I see the idle adjustment all the way in, so the throttles are opened maybe 1/8"; the vacuum cap on the #3 carb (the only cap) is cracked and vacuum leaking, and the slides are almost stuck down, like they're glued down. The owner had done a tank sealant, I think it's on the slides and gluing them. If that's the case, it's not going to be fun trying to fix it, epoxy is hard to clean off, and the diaphrams are very fragile. It's easy to determine what's new issues, I just did these carbs earlier this year, and I know what was / wasn't up with these carbs. I'll report back after further investigation. Steve

[MAN OF BLUES]

 

Bubba, POR 15 company has stuff that will dissolve "Kreem", if you need it....

http://www.por15.com/POR-Strip_p_20.html

it comes in this kit also..
http://www.por15.com/HEAVY-DUTY-CYCLE-TANK-REPAIR-KIT_p_60.html

for those that have had Kreem fail.

I personally would never use Kreem, too many horror stories.
My Z bike tank was done using POR, and it is holding fine after 10 years...

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

So carbs are apart, and let me say, this is why you don't let folks who don't know what they're doing work on your carbs. Not only did I find the above issues, but also when I closed the throttle blades, the sync was all off, telling me there was a vacuum issue but someone tried to "fix" it with the sync. additionally, the pilot screws, which I set at 2 turns, were all 2.3 to 2.5 turns. Once inside the bowls, more fun, as you can see from the pics, someone re-set the fuel floats, which resulted in low fuel levels ( I filled / checked before disassembly).  When looking at the pics, the caliper is set at the proper height, you see how high the float height is. They also used black RTV to set the bowl gaskets and it was off in little bits in the bowls - you cannot use rtv on carbs! Once checking the pilot and main jets, they're all clogged with something. I guess the problem is the carbs... Steve

[sgilbert14]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the email... I had the dealer work on these and the only thing that I did was to replace the bowl gaskets. Here they said that the reset the bowels and cleaned them to make sure that there were no dirt in them.. expensive lesson that I should have sent them back to you instead of thinking that saving time in shipping was ok. Stupid!

So, what are we dealing with... Are the parts that you put in still ok? I understand that that everything needs a good cleaning, adjusting etc.. but what else are they going to need?

Send me a pm and let me down easy with the price. Time is not an issue as there is a ton of stuff going on in my life with work and possible relocation so I will need to work this out cause I do want my bike for next season..... promise that no one will ever touch carb on my bike ever again except for Steve in Sunny Fla..

Steve

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

pm sent - Steve