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Re: Oil pressure light after oil change
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2013, 06:09:26 AM »
Oil pressurization is not what makes a hydrodynamic bearing, such as main crankshaft or connecting rob bearings work. What makes the bearing work is the rotation of the shaft; the best analogy I ever heard is that the shaft 'water skiis' on the oil. As the shaft rotates, it shears its way through a layer of oil, and the shear forces all balance and are evenly distributed around the shaft. But when you push sideways on the shaft and move it from the center of the bearing housing, the shear forces where the shaft gets closer to the outer housing skyrocket; this is what supports a crankshaft in a running engine.

A lot of people seem to think that something like a crankshaft or connecting rod bearing touches the shaft only occasionally, only on start- up, etc., etc. but in fact, the shaft virtually never touches the bearing shells. Bearings are made out of lead, aluminum and copper generally and you can easily scrape the bearing material out of the bearing shell with a pocket knife. Such a bearing would not last even a few revolutions of the main shaft if it were not coated with oil.

Pressurizing galleys to feed main and con rod bearings merely makes sure the gap is full of oil and provides enough oil flow through the bearings to cool them. Note that small, one cylinder engines have no pressurized oiling systems and yet function very well with hydrodynamic bearings. So getting oil to each bearing, under pressure, is important but not crucial nor is it particularly time critical regarding the difference between a few seconds or perhaps twice that amount of time.

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There probably is oil the bearings but I THINK you need oil pressure to provide a lubicating layer between the moving parts.  Not an expert here
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Re: Oil pressure light after oil change
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2013, 06:18:35 AM »
Just my opinion but the filter is not full of oil. If you are pouring oil into the center hole, that void will fill and the filter material will begin to wick up oil but that is not the same as filling the filter.

If you were to fill a new oil filter, leave it overnight (open side up of course), I think the next day you would find the level of oil inside way down in the filter. It would take several such iterations to truly fill the filter. Either that or you would have to actually force oil through the filter to fill it with some type of oil pump and filter mounting device.

And finally when the filter really was full, when you turned it sideways it would pour oil out just as a used (but really full) oil filter does when you unscrew it.

But as with so many things, if putting some oil in your oil filters makes you happy, by all means go for it. It will not cause any damage or problems and let's face it, making the owner happy is the real job of the motorcycle and all its accouterments, right?

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Surprising, that does not seem to be the case.  Can't tell you why but it seems to work.
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Re: Oil pressure light after oil change
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2013, 07:07:18 AM »
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Re: Oil pressure light after oil change
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2013, 07:22:40 AM »
I recall in the 80s seeing ads in the hotrod mags for a pre-oiler that used an electric motor to pressurize the oil a few seconds prior to starting. Was claimed to make an engine last forever. I almost bought one for my built Camaro.

As for the delayed oil light I wonder what filters are being used. I remember reading that Purolator recommends against using their Pure One filters in motorcycles, I think because of the less powerful oil pumps not handling the finer filter material.

In that case maybe pre-filling filters might help. Also maybe if the engine has been idle for several weeks prior to the oil change.
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Re: Oil pressure light after oil change
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2013, 11:05:32 AM »
In that case maybe pre-filling filters might help. Also maybe if the engine has been idle for several weeks prior to the oil change.

Typically, you should ride the bike for 20+ minutes to get the oil up to temp, immediately prior to changing the oil.

Exception: Bike has been sitting for years, or there was an incident to contaminate the oil, such as coolant getting in the oil. (in that case I'd change the oil before starting the engine)
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Re: Oil pressure light after oil change
« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2013, 11:24:35 AM »
Back about 1975, my dad and I were changing oil in all our vehicles. We had drained them all and replaced the filters and drain plugs. My older sister came out of the house on one of here rants, jumped in moms Olds Delta 88 and took off. My dad asked me if I put oil in it yet. I shook my head no as I was finishing pouring in the last quart into his Mustang. He grabbed four quarts, jumped in his car and took off after her. She was especially miffed about something and refused to pull over while dad was honking and waving at her. She finally stopped when she pulled into her friends driveway. The car made this 3.5 mile trip on no oil and seemingly suffered no ill effects. My sister on the other hand had to endure a loud lengthly lecture about idiot lights and heeding him when he is honking and yelling to pull over.  She also got grounded from driving a few weeks.
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Re: Oil pressure light after oil change
« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2013, 06:06:48 PM »
Typically, you should ride the bike for 20+ minutes to get the oil up to temp, immediately prior to changing the oil.

Exception: Bike has been sitting for years, or there was an incident to contaminate the oil, such as coolant getting in the oil. (in that case I'd change the oil before starting the engine)

+1 on draining the oil when its hot.    mat
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Re: Oil pressure light after oil change
« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2013, 05:12:52 PM »
If you fill the filter about 2/3rds full, very little spills out. I work on big trucks for a living, and filling oil filters first is a must. Three filters per engine equals 9 quarts of oil. :o
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