Will a ZX14 or ZX14R motor etc drop right into a C14?

[ZG]

ECU for sure and if it talks to the kipass computer that to.

Good point on the Kipass, but there must be a way to make that work too right?
Engine block is same right?
I know Chet is running ZX14 TB's, so I know those will work...
I have a PCV so can't that be reprogrammed to work?
What else?

[MrPepsi]

It would be easier to change the ERGOs on a ZX14 than to make a C14 as powerful as a ZX.

[ZG]

It would be easier to change the ERGOs on a ZX14 than to make a C14 as powerful as a ZX.

That's debatable MP, I can't imagine trying to fit shaft drive on a ZX14... 

Regardless, I'm not interested in going that route, I'm interested in if a ZX14 motor etc can be fitted in a C14 and if not why or what all would need to by modified? 

[PH14]

Why, did you find a gold ZX14 engine?

[ZG]

Why, did you find a gold ZX14 engine?

 

Not gold, but you can pick up a ZX14 motor pretty cheap... 

[Gumby]

Did he just call ZG a stupid cow?   

I told you to bring that cash farm you got over to my garage, I'll take care of spending it for you. Imagine the brew set-up we could have.
And no, you cannot put a ZX14 motor in a C14. Somebody would have already posted that all over the internet.

[motocopter]

Some info to help start this project:

Head gasket: ZX/ZG both use 11004-0059
Piston pin: ZX/ZG both use 13002-0010
Connecting rod: ZX/ZG both use 13251-025-JJ
Cam chain: ZX/ZG both use 92057-0109
Crankshaft: ZX - 13031-0098; ZG - 13031-0094
Cylinder head: ZX - 11008-0125; ZG - 11008-0194

Been thinking about the top-end swap for a while. It really looks doable from a quick survey. The details would have to be worked-out as the project progressed.

I wouldn't touch the ECU, or anything electric. Let the plugs fire ZG style - without a Power Commander at first.

The ZX throttle bodies or injectors may be needed.

[maxtog]

Be easier to add luggage and bar risers to the ZX, then modify a suitable windscreen.

And it will still lack shaft drive, tire sensors, variable valve timing, extra computer stuff, Kipass, center stand, heated grips, electronic windshield, etc, etc.

If you really want more power after changing the exhaust (and that means THE EXHAUST SYSTEM, not the muffler) and applying the Ghul flash, then it is time for turbo or something.  Trying to replace an engine with a nearly identical engine is too little return for the expense and tons of effort.

[maxtog]

Everyone always says the C14 motor is just a de-tuned ZX14 motor

It is not "DE-tuned" it is designed for different parameters- like comfort, higher reliability, less maintenance, shifting of torque curve to something more touring friendly, less vibration, less noise, etc.

[ZG]

I told you to bring that cash farm you got over to my garage, I'll take care of spending it for you. Imagine the brew set-up we could have.

 

[ZG]

Some info to help start this project:

Head gasket: ZX/ZG both use 11004-0059
Piston pin: ZX/ZG both use 13002-0010
Connecting rod: ZX/ZG both use 13251-025-JJ
Cam chain: ZX/ZG both use 92057-0109
Crankshaft: ZX - 13031-0098; ZG - 13031-0094
Cylinder head: ZX - 11008-0125; ZG - 11008-0194

Been thinking about the top-end swap for a while. It really looks doable from a quick survey. The details would have to be worked-out as the project progressed.

I wouldn't touch the ECU, or anything electric. Let the plugs fire ZG style - without a Power Commander at first.

The ZX throttle bodies or injectors may be needed.

Nice, thanks MC! 

[ZG]

Trying to replace an engine with a nearly identical engine is too little return for the expense and tons of effort.

I wouldn't call 200 BHP, 186mph top speed, 0-60 in 2.5 secs "little return" Max... 

[ZG]

Be easier to add luggage and bar risers to the ZX, then modify a suitable windscreen.

And it will still lack shaft drive, tire sensors, extra computer stuff, Kipass, center stand, etc, etc.

+1 Max, agreed. 

[maxtog]

I wouldn't call 200 BHP, 186mph top speed, 0-60 in 2.5 secs "little return" Max... 

I guess that depends on who you ask.  Especially if you are comparing to a C14 that already has a replacement exhaust and Ghul flash or PCV.  And peak HP does not describe a whole power curve.

* The bike is heavier and the shaft drive will eat more power.
* You will NOT end up with 0-60 in 2.5 seconds with a ZX engine on a C14.
* The aerodynamics will be different, limiting speed on the C14 (and top speed is a "who cares" for most non-track drivers, anyway).

The main advantage of trying to put a ZX14 engine in a C14 [instead of a turbo] would be that it might be possible to do without any fabrication or custom parts (if the transmission would bolt up to it).  Most of the difference remaining between the two would be the head and intake.  The bore/stroke is already the same, so at most, a head swap would make more sense.

Again, I am guessing it would cheaper and more effective to add a turbo to a C14...

[ZG]

Again, I am guessing it would cheaper and more effective to add a turbo to a C14...

I'm not looking for the "cheaper" option Max, this is a toy not an electric car... 

I don't really want all the potential damage a turbo can do over time, I'm more thinking the ZX14 motor etc would be big bang for the buck and could also be Kawi reliable... 

Plus it sounds like uncharted territory as far as I can tell so far, which I also like doing. 

[Spanky]

+1 on contacting Muzzy's. If anyone can do it, they can.

[motocopter]

The engine case are suspiciously looking very similar and possibly interchangeable as well though the part numbers do not match.

[maxtog]

I don't really want all the potential damage a turbo can do over time, I'm more thinking the ZX14 motor etc would be big bang for the buck and could also be Kawi reliable... 

Turbocharging/supercharging can be perfectly safe and place no more stress on the system than what Kawasaki did to squeeze more power.  It just depends on how much boost.  It is amazing what just a few pounds can do.  Yes, some people will throw 8 or 10 pounds and blow an engine apart.  Higher boosts require a much stronger engine.

(Yes, I slapped a supercharger on my second car and it was quite impressive... ran only like 4 lbs, I think)

Plus it sounds like uncharted territory as far as I can tell so far, which I also like doing. 

Not sure about that.  We have at least two threads about turbos.  Yet I don't recall ANYONE trying to change a C14 engine into a ZX14.

But if you are on that track- consider a head swap only, since anything further will probably be a waste of time/money.   Head to include at least throttle bodies... not sure what you can or can't do with the intake manifold... probably not much.

Are the injectors the same?

[ZG]

Not sure about that.  We have at least two threads about turbos.  Yet I don't recall ANYONE trying to change a C14 engine into a ZX14.

Isn't that exactly what I said, I don't want to go the turbo route, the ZX14 motor is uncharted territory... 

anything further will probably be a waste of time/money.   

And your point is what... 

[maxtog]

Isn't that exactly what I said, I don't want to go the turbo route, the ZX14 motor is uncharted territory... 

Oh- you WANT uncharted territory.  Sorry, that is backwards to what I thought