One thing I think is funny is the NRA made the argument that Obama is being a hypocrite since his kids have armed guards at their school but yet he doesn't think others should have that luxury. Then Obama and his henchmen scream that they should leave the kids out of it and not use them as political folly. Then we come to today where they had all those school kids with him when he made his pathetic little speech.
...nut jobs and gang bangers, neither of them follow laws so what good does a law do?
Think about it, what laws would have stopped Newton CT?
Some months ago I had a discussion with the wife of a good friend. She just could not accept that some people have no respect for laws. Her take is that if there is a law against something, then NO ONE will do it because people obey laws. (Oh, yeah, then why do we have police?) No amount of reasoning, statistics, argument or whatever would get her to accept the idea of "outlaws", people to whom laws mean nothing. I asked her if she had ever exceeded the speed limit when driving and she said, "Well, sure, but that's different." Yes different in degree, but still a disregard for the speed law. She felt she was OK to do that, but I still couldn't convince her that there are people who feel the same way about laws against murder and assault. I cannot understand her mindset.
We all know that all those scumbags in our prison system are innocent right?
Thanks Jay and others for having a discussion.
My personal view would not be respected it seems on the forum, so I'll plead the 5th.
I think you are mistaken. Either that or you are using the wrong terminology. I think most folks will respect your views. They may not agree with it, but they would respect it. JMO
Were is the honest discussion, the facts & figures, the proper definitions of weapons, respect for the killed, concern for the ill, and justice? Were is the justice for those five & six-year-old kids who were gunned down 10 days before Christmas? Were is the justice for those two firefighters who were responding to a house fire in Webster when they were shot to death on Christmas Eve 2012? Were is the justice for those 12 people shot dead at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado in July 2012?
I believe that justice for these folks will come from us when we decide how to stop the shooting of innocents in public places in The United States.
Can "The Greatest Country on Earth" do that much for itself?
The TRUTH of the mater is criminals and nuts who want to do mass killings don't care about ANY LAWS , most of the time they kill them selfs, so these LAWS only screw with honest law abiding people that would never do any thing anyway , so it drives me CRAZY when they say common sense won in NY .
We need to look at ways to protect the few WITHOUT leaving naked the many.
2) William Spengler (Webster NY shooter) killed those Firefighters with weapons from Dawn M. Nguyen, who legally purchased them--except that she specifically purchased the rifle & shotgun for Spengler, a convicted felon, so it was technically illegal.That's not "technically illegal", it is explicitly illegal.
Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form?and
Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you.
Question 11.a. Actual Transferee/Buyer:
For purposes of this form, you are the actual transferee/buyer if you are purchasing the firearm for yourself or otherwise acquiring the firearm for yourself (e.g., redeeming the firearm from pawn/retrieving it from consignment, firearm raffle winner). You are also the actual transferee/buyer if you are legitimately purchasing the firearm as a gift for a third party. ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER EXAMPLES: Mr. Smith asks Mr. Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr.
Jones the money for the firearm. Mr. Jones is NOT THE ACTUAL TRANSFEREE/BUYER of the firearm and must answer
“NO” to question 11.a. The licensee may not transfer the firearm to Mr. Jones. However, if Mr. Brown goes to buy a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Black as a present, Mr. Brown is the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm and should answer “YES” to question 11.a. However, you may not transfer a firearm to any person you know or have reasonable cause to believe is prohibited under 18 U.S.C.§922(g), (n), or (x).
Please note: EXCEPTION: If you are picking up a repaired firearm(s) for another person, you are not required to answer
11.a. and may proceed to question 11.b.
That's not "technically illegal", it is explicitly illegal.
Jay - have you ever spent time with
murderers? I have.
sociopaths? I have.
Psychopaths? I have.
Ever seen a psycotic break? I have.
If you understand how they work, you'll understand that you can NEVER balance the needs of society to protect us by denying a person their ability to immediate defense.
Keep this in mind - these guys were seriously off the chain BUT they were intelligent and had the ability to plan and execute with devastating success.
When you get inside their heads, you might start understanding that disarming the population - in any amount - has ZERO effect on someone with a horrific plan.
If we REALLY want protection, we must first identify the threat, which means understanding it. As long as the average person thinks people like the Sandy Hook murderer are just like us but "had a bad day" we, as a society, are never going to make any progress in defending ourselves from this type of evil insanity.
If you'll Just remember this, INSANE DOESN'T EQUAL STUPID - that's a good starting point . Steve
This guy is SPOT ON.
MrColionNoir: How to Stop MASS SHOOTINGS
Great hat too.