Not addressed to me, but I will ask you questions in return and see what you think:
Why do you wear proper riding gear on a bike?
Why do you wear a seatbelt in a car?
Why do you check both ways before crossing the street?
Why do you read the warning labels on a drug before taking it?
Why do you lock your doors on your house?
Why do you buy life insurance?
Why did you buy a fire extinguisher or have smoke detectors?
Why would you be aware of your surroundings while using an ATM?
Why do you perhaps wash your hands after shaking people's hands or maybe shopping?
Why would you keep your wallet in a secure area and keep it with you at all times?
Why would you put a lock code on your phone?
Why would you not write your passwords on a card you carry?
Why would you carry a spare tire or an inflation kit on your vehicle?
Why would you not want to walk around the neighborhood at night without a phone and flashlight?
Why do you look through your peephole before opening your door?
You don't have to assume everyone is evil or bad or dangerous or that every situation will be negative to take sensible precautions. A threat might be very rare but also extremely dangerous... or it might be more common and yet less dangerous. Either way, one might decide to take steps to mitigate those.
The overwhelming majority of the concealed carry permit owners *I* know, are the nicest, most trust-worthy, friendly, moral, and good people I have ever known.
Fair enough. To the extent that I take any or all of the precautions that you listed, I take them all the time, without fail. Do you carry your personal protection firearm all the time or is it situational? I am counting on your candor, now.
I carry almost all the time when not inside my house. It doesn't do any good if you don't have it with you (even if you have it- it might not do any good). Usually without any real thought, the same way I carry my phone, wallet, glasses, or hat. On the very rare case of forgetting it, I might feel odd for a short time, but don't obsess over it. I don't perform a mental situational exercise and determine when to or not to carry or what to carry based on perceived threat. I can't speak for others out there, but I am guessing most CCP holders are similar.
I love the old saying "the best camera is the one you have with you".
The only exception [to thinking about it or obsessing over it] being when I know I will expect to encounter a so-called "gun free" zone. That totally screws with normality and certainly makes me uncomfortable because, statistically, that is where one MOST needs to be armed. At that point, no choice is easy. If there was only ONE thing I could change [with gun control]- that would be it... elimination of all "gun free" zones for CCP holders.
I dunno. Allowing carrying in an establishment serving liquor does not sound like a great idea.
There is a reason even good guys are not allowed to drive drunk.
Getting back to the general topic of carrying, let's assume you carry all the time, without fail. Now either every member of your family and other loved ones must also carry a personal firearm or you must accompany them for protection each and everytime they step out of the home. Which of those is true?
I personally would have some 'splaining to do if I carried a gun and let my wife and son remain unprotected.
ok
here's the list... I went down thru it...
tell us just how many of these occurrences were committed with an AR type rifle....
I think you will be surprised...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
The only exception [to thinking about it or obsessing over it] being when I know I will expect to encounter a so-called "gun free" zone. That totally screws with normality and certainly makes me uncomfortable
I'm glad we think alike in that matter and in our choice of bikes. To help educate me, why do you have a CC permit and presumably carry a gun?
(Will do my best to check in frequently so that this conversation is not too disjointed)
Now our various state legislatures are starting to advance new legislation in response to this school shooting. And this is where the US gets really strange when compared with virtually any other country; we are not doing it on a national level but a state level. This results in some really odd things such as some states are moving toward tighter gun control while other states are moving toward loosening gun restrictions. Florida is talking about moving in both directions at one time: moving toward perhaps banning some firearms and also moving toward making it easy for teachers to arm themselves. California is moving toward much stricter overall gun control of course (some of the most stringent current firearm legislation in the country is in the state of CA). Other states, such as Arizona, Iowa and Wisconsin are moving toward fewer restrictions and / or firearms and shooting protections such as a state constitutional firearm amendment, protecting shooting ranges and similar.
To non- Americans, this must appear beyond strange. To most Americans, I think it appears a little strange but also annoying because no matter which side one is on, some state or other is moving the 'wrong' way.
The US can, of course, legislate on the federal level as well but that is not likely to happen as one political faction controls the Executive and both houses of Congress right now and there is little chance of substantial firearms legislation passing. Of course this can and will change in the future and the 'other' party will control one or more of the three sections mentioned (the President, the Senate and the House of Representatives) and so very different things may then become possible.
Brian
Which reminds me:
Did you do any digging into the Redlight laws such as the one coming in in RI?
What happens if the person crosses to a state without any such law? Can they just get a firearm there?
What happens if they go to a State with the same law? Can the judgement in one State apply in another State?
Which reminds me:
Did you do any digging into the Redlight laws such as the one coming in in RI?
What happens if the person crosses to a state without any such law? Can they just get a firearm there?
What happens if they go to a State with the same law? Can the judgement in one State apply in another State?
This is actually complicated. Technically, you can't just buy a gun out of state dealer. It has to go through an FFL. So you would have to get it transferred to an FLL in your home state (they will know this when they do a mandatory background check) and they will finish the transaction, after a background check. And they must follow the laws of your home state.
If you are talking about carrying, the moment you step foot in another state, you must comply with that state's laws.
I think I misspoke: it is called the 'red flag' law.
Now our various state legislatures are starting to advance new legislation in response to this school shooting. And this is where the US gets really strange when compared with virtually any other country; we are not doing it on a national level but a state level. This results in some really odd things ...
QuoteSo it doesn't matter that I don't drink? Ever? So you would ban me from just about every restaurant anyway? By the way, Virginia is no longer that insane- carrying (with a CCP or not) is perfectly legal where alcohol is served (2010+). Although you are not legally allowed to carry while drinking alcohol (or otherwise intoxicated/impaired), which is pretty reasonable (since you like the word "reasonable").
Congrats on being a teetotaler. However, there are health benefits to an occasional drink, probably from making the subject less uptight.
Yes , many states now let CCP carry in liquor serving establishments so long as alcohol is not being imbibed. That seems a reasonable accommodation, similar to a designated driver for drinking buddies. Letting an intoxicated person carry a gun or drive a car is a bad idea whether it a good guy or bad guy (or gal).QuoteAnd what about CCP's? Remember, those are the most responsible, "good" people in the nation, those who have no record of mental illness or drug/alcohol addiction, have never had any felony, who are much more "good" than the police, who have proven they are citizens with a certified address, who have mandated training..... you think those should be banned as well?
Unnecessary, over the top pandering. Just because a person has undergone CCP qualification does not make them"good" people or that they will stay "good" the rest of their lives.QuoteThat is a large jump. A better analogy would be banning cars anywhere near an establishment serving liquor, maybe? Does THAT sound reasonable?
I'm not even sure where this came from.QuoteThat is a fallacy such as asking someone who did not kill their wife "did you kill your wife with a gun or a knife?" Obviously this is not an either-or answer. In your posit, there is no reason why it would HAVE be one way or the other. Why would there be?
You would be highly paranoid if you believed they could not be allowed out of the house without either being armed or being escorted by someone armed.... unless you lived in a very, very bad area or had reliable knowledge that someone actually was actively trying to target you or your family at that time.
lol. Nobody asked if you killed your wife. Simply put, if you need the protection of a firearm, even if just a precaution, why doesn't your family deserve the same protection? Don't dwell on this. I suspect that not too many CCP holders can answer that question logically either.QuoteI know there is more risk driving in the snow.... a much higher risk of accident, injury, or death. I might decide to forego driving to the store due to the snow. But I might also decide to go anyway. I might also decide to get a safer vehicle, or put chains on the tires, or have someone with a better vehicle or more experience driving in snow take me. Life is complicated.
The debate seems to have gone completely off the rails by this point. Anyway since you are a good sport, are you ready for one more question?