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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #180 on: December 10, 2023, 07:35:47 AM »
It's been several years for me. It certainly has gotten much better but it’s not healed. The flareups do happen... almost weekly, but minor. I heard about the good feet store. Never went in there because the doctors had given me certain inserts to use, and those helped, the next thing to try is ultrasound therapy. The doctor himself thinks they’re not very helpful in my case because I have thicker scar tissue on the fascia. He told me that he can go in there and release the fascia completely.  But that comes with its own problems to.

My problem is running. That’s the root cause. I Love my planter fascia. But he is old and tired now. I feel for him...he has given me thousands and thousands of miles of enjoyment and runner's high. My quiet companion throughout the years, my quiet companion through all the solo runs. I love him. I try to take it easy for him now.

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« Reply #181 on: December 10, 2023, 08:14:13 AM »
I've been a lifelong runner also. In early years had plantar fasciatis and shin splints often. But when I retired in 2010 I got serious with strength training 3 times a week at the gym. Feet and ankles not giving trouble anymore. Knees and hips not giving me problems except a little bursitis. My problem is mostly osteoarthritis of the spine and degenerative disc disease L4 and L5. Wake up with pain in the back and right leg and numb toes. Running actually helps that.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #182 on: December 10, 2023, 09:36:06 PM »
My problem is mostly osteoarthritis of the spine

My mom has that issue, and, just like my grandmother had, she is hunching over some now and also has lower spine issue with pain.

I had been taking Vitamin D3 for many, many years, and in 2020 upped it to twice a day at doctor's orders when bloodwork showed it was still kinda low.  It seems to be evolving that few people are getting enough D3.  So I am getting about 5000 IU per day.  I never got COVID-19 at all, so I wonder if that helped?  Anyway, the latest and greatest now is vitamin K2, which I JUST started tonight.  It helps with proper calcium depositing where it belongs, which is good for bones/teeth, but it PREVENTS depositing calcium where it does NOT belong, like in the arteries and joints.  I don't take calcium, but get enough in my diet.  K2 seems like a good precaution, so it might be worth researching.  Not that expensive, either, about $0.09 for 100mcg/day

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G3BM83Z

Take daily with meal that contains fat and D3.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #183 on: December 11, 2023, 02:45:02 AM »
My wife and I both take the D3 for just the reason you stated.  It worked most of the time and I say that because we got all the vax but I got Covid this past winter as did my wife.  I'm going to look into that K2.  D3 works in keeping pink elephants away as I certainly haven't seen any of them.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #184 on: December 13, 2023, 06:49:23 PM »
Not to start anything but I just like to say that the covid vaccine or any booster does not prevent you from contracting the disease, it merely lessens the severity of the symptoms. And, each time you get the disease, whether or not you have had any vaccinations, it will be a lesser impact to you. You cannot vaccinate against a virus, it is misnamed.

BTW, I'm going to look into the K2, that sounds interesting.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #185 on: December 13, 2023, 08:09:22 PM »
Not to start anything

Oh no, but you did! :)  And it really is possible to have rational, good conversations about such things.

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but I just like to say that the covid vaccine or any booster does not prevent you from contracting the disease, it merely lessens the severity of the symptoms.

Ideally, yes.  Assuming it actually triggers an immune response that is useful to what is actual circulating at the time.  But if you have strong protection, you won't know you were infected because the virus is unable to replicate to the point of making you sick.  Or the symptoms are so small, they are just dismissed (like in my cases, constant allergies).

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And, each time you get the disease, whether or not you have had any vaccinations, it will be a lesser impact to you.

Also assuming the immunity you gather is effective against later variants, yes.  Sometimes it can be very relevant.  Other times not so much.

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You cannot vaccinate against a virus, it is misnamed.

Well, just depends on one's definition and perception of vaccination.  Most people believe that a vaccination will protect from getting sick.  And often it can.  But it depends on a lot of factors.  I am not a virologist but have picked up a lot of info.  For example, the immune system has short term reaction (antibodies, which are produced and circulating) and long term memory (t-cells and such).  The greatest protection is short-term, since antibodies will presumably be present and immediately attack the targeted virus when it is seen.  But antibodies fade pretty quickly (months).  Long-term memory (years) allows the immune system to remember and produce antibodies that are no longer present in the body, fairly fast, once the virus is identified again.  Being sick with a virus or having an effective vaccination- either will illicit protection both now and in the future.  That is, assuming your immune system is "normal".

The problem is that most viruses mutate.  That can made the antibodies less effective or ineffective.  And/or the t-cells unable to identify the mutated virus later.   The issue with the first c19 vaccine is that although it was quite effective initially, c19 mutated pretty quickly, and the next incarnation rendered the vaccine much less useful.  And the mutation after that left it pretty much completely ineffective.  And it stayed that way.  And the first update of the vaccine, when it finally came out, was too late- what it targeted was already passing, so it wasn't that effective.  The third update (mid this year) is wait and see....

Personally, I got the first vaccine in early 2020 and the booster in late 2020.  The late booster was already of little value, and I probably could have skipped it.  I didn't bother with any other vaccinations.  Why?  Just personal choice and risk calculation- I never "got" C19 (even after it mutated a lot), the vaccines were proving not to be that effective anymore, the next one was bivalent and I don't really didn't want to challenge my immune system with something already not useful.  This last one- well, C19 is so much weaker now, I just don't feel the need, especially since there is credible evidence of dangerous complications (although the risk is small, and perhaps less risky than C19 itself).  But I did get an annual flu vaccine- have done that every year forever.

C19 was never really going to go away, but fade into the background.  At this point, it is probably no more dangerous than what we see as the "seasonal flu."  That doesn't make it any fun to have, nor not dangerous for some people (flus tend to be more dangerous for the young, C19 overwhelming for the old).  Each person should make their own risk/reward assessment based on the best info they can find and/or at the advice of their own physician.  Nothing is without risk.  But people who repeatedly exposed themselves over and over and over and over again to the exact same vaccination, well, I don't think that was a good idea (and the prime reason I rejected the bivalent one), especially people like me with a pretty hyperactive immune system.

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BTW, I'm going to look into the K2, that sounds interesting.

It shows promise, but not with anything to do regarding the immune system, mostly about heart/circulatory disease.  And that is a major killer.  As for D3, that is well-known to be very important for bone health and also immune system strength.  The former is well understood.  The latter, not so much.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #186 on: December 14, 2023, 05:36:20 AM »
Not to start anything but I just like to say that the covid vaccine or any booster does not prevent you from contracting the disease, it merely lessens the severity of the symptoms. And, each time you get the disease, whether or not you have had any vaccinations, it will be a lesser impact to you. You cannot vaccinate against a virus, it is misnamed.

BTW, I'm going to look into the K2, that sounds interesting.


I certainly think that's true as I got it anyway with all the vaccines I've taken.  While I wouldn't say my symptoms were mild, they weren't terrible either.  Sense of taste got screwed up and still are.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #187 on: December 14, 2023, 07:17:15 AM »
I believe I had C19 in early 2020. We weren't even rapid testing for it yet. I was icky for a week. Got the shot and the first booster, got C19 twice (verified) more. Followed all mask mandates before and after. Had a not great reaction to the shots. Basically felt like I had a cold for 3 days. Funny though that when I got C19 after the vaccination, that was the worst I had it. Was basically bedridden for 4 days, and not good for another week. I have no opinions of C19 vaccinations for anyone else. I'm someone who believes in personal liberties. You should be able to make your own choices.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #188 on: December 14, 2023, 02:45:30 PM »
Followed all mask mandates before and after.

Well, we knew before C19 mask mandates that they don't work.  Many studies about them and the flu, which is also an airborne virus, are well-known for many years.  The big recent study released earlier this year, just reinforced that mask mandates did nothing for C19.  Individually, if used absolutely correctly, masks can offer users a slight protection from infection or transmission, but hardly worth bothering with.  The primary purpose of masking is to prevent transmission of bacteria (not airborne viruses).  Ironically, hand-washing, on the other hand (pun intended), turned out to be significantly effective at preventing transmission of C19.

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Had a not great reaction to the shots. Basically felt like I had a cold for 3 days.

Same here.  I had no reaction to the very first, but the 30 day booster had same thing- fever and sick, but only for one day.  And same thing 11 months later with that booster.  Ironically, getting sick after a booster does prove that your body did identify a pathogen and started to fight.  So that is kinda "good."

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Funny though that when I got C19 after the vaccination, that was the worst I had it. Was basically bedridden for 4 days, and not good for another week.

The immune system is a fantastically complex thing.  So many factors can complicate how you will react, how badly, for how long, etc.  For example, yours could have been weak or distracted at the time from fighting something else.  Plus with the mutations, it might be different enough to cause major illness and evade your protection but the same time similar enough that the immune system was tricked initially into the wrong reaction.

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I have no opinions of C19 vaccinations for anyone else. I'm someone who believes in personal liberties. You should be able to make your own choices.

ABSOLUTELY

I believe strongly in research, offering ACCURATE information to the public, and even encouragement (BASED ON ACTUAL SCIENCE NOT POLITICS).  I also think vaccines are a fantastically wonderful tool/option.  But never mandates.   Mandates (of all sorts), inaccurate information (including mistakes, unsubstantiated speculation, misleading info, exaggerations, and even outright LIES) that were fed to the public have now severely damaged the public trust and created huge polarization.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #189 on: December 14, 2023, 04:18:07 PM »
Strawboss, look what your started.

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« Reply #190 on: December 14, 2023, 06:47:34 PM »
Who am I to tell anyone who wants to think they can get vaccinated against a virus? If it makes you feel better, do it, you'll still get it.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #191 on: December 14, 2023, 07:28:53 PM »
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #192 on: December 14, 2023, 07:40:09 PM »
I wish we all had medical degrees.

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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #193 on: December 15, 2023, 05:33:19 AM »
I wish we all had medical degrees.

It would be helpful in this area, since there seems to be a great shortage.  But, seriously, I just wish schools would trade some of their endless indoctrination to focus on critical/rational thinking, logic, and statistics.  That would probably be good enough.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #194 on: December 15, 2023, 07:24:38 AM »
It would be helpful in this area, since there seems to be a great shortage.  But, seriously, I just wish schools would trade some of their endless indoctrination to focus on critical/rational thinking, logic, and statistics.  That would probably be good enough.
They can't do that. If they did, then nobody would believe their lies.  :deadhorse:
I had a discussion recently with a former friend who was adamant that what he had seen on YouTube proved that experts in a particular field were lying for personal gain.
It was so funny that I laughed out loud and told him he was a "gullible moron", which is probably why he has now cut me out of his life.
He just couldn't concede that his personal opinion, backed by some YouTube videos (that the creators get paid lots for) was no substitute for critically reviewed research done by people who have made that subject their life's work. Work reviewed by other people in the same field, and others in related fields.

Science is not some boogeyman that's coming to get you. It's a method of investigating and checking how/why things work/happen. It has checks and balances and if the current set of theories are proven to be wrong, then they are discarded and new ones that fit all the data are developed. If there is insufficient data then any theory is worthless. If the theory doesn't fit ALL the data, then it is mostly worthless. Yes, some scientists are loathe to discard their pet theories but in the face of better theories most eventually capitulate.

The definition of a Vaccine is "A substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products." In the case of the virus vaccines the second half doesn't hold, but the first half very much does.
The vaccines stimulate immunity which leads to the body handling the virus better when it gets exposed to it. How much better depends on the individual but typically means that you either never knew you were infected or only suffered minor symptoms. Catching the virus and surviving it does a similar thing, but the risk is seriously high, whereas the risk from the vaccine is extremely low.
Life is a risk and there are no guarantees, but I'll take a tried and tested vaccine every time rather than suffer the consequences.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #195 on: December 15, 2023, 11:57:30 AM »
It's amazing how, in just the last few years we have had so many brilliant medical doctors and constitutional lawyers appear on forums and YouTube. Interestingly though, I learned most work from their mom's basements and have never use deodorant.


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« Reply #196 on: December 15, 2023, 03:46:55 PM »
They can't do that. If they did, then nobody would believe their lies.  :deadhorse:

Really.

It is so much more important to learn HOW to think than WHAT to think (plus the simple ability to say "sorry, I was mistaken").  But it seems that critical thinking has just been evaporating the educational area... even at college level, replaced with "my truths" and "safe spaces".  Emotion has replaced reason, tribalism has replaced listening, and speculation has become religion.  I thank the powers that be that somehow I got it earlier in life and then the science classes in my high school system were really quite good.  Ironically, it was much weaker in college, at least in the core curriculum.

Well, I did my small part when I was teaching for a few years as an adjunct back in the day (computer-related field).  Perhaps if I ever retire, I could volunteer in some capacity to teach logic/reason/debate, but I doubt I would even find a venue that would be interested.

Ug, I sound like some grumpy, old "get off my lawn" guy again.
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« Reply #197 on: December 16, 2023, 07:20:03 AM »
Got the hip done on Thursday.  I'm actually walking around a bit at home without a walker but I'm taking it easy.  Pain was a bit' after the spinal block wore off (about 8 hours) after surgery.  Pills didn't work so much but helped a little though.  They actually had to use some IV pain meds which did work for about an hour or so, but I think that was by design.  Slept all night on the lazy boy last night.  I sleep on my side but they said oh no, don't do that.  It was all I could do not to.  Did a little bit of walking in the house with the walker and then decided not to use it.  Even went up and down the stairs.  So far so good but I have to not push so much as I don't want to injure anything over.


What surprised me was the spinal block.  Didn't hurt like I thought it would.  Kept on asking for whiskey but they wouldn't give it to me lol.   I was very impressed with the care I got at the hospital.  Nothing negative about that at all.
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Re: Random nonsense
« Reply #198 on: December 16, 2023, 10:06:09 AM »
I hope you heal fast.  Don't overdo it!
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« Reply #199 on: December 16, 2023, 10:08:51 AM »
It is good to hear. Hope you heal fast.