Yeah but it is part of the place's charm.....
But seriously, this thread got excessively de- railed. Normally, in and amongst the fun, your question will get answered. And in a case like this, by all means 'bang on the door again' by asking the question all over again, perhaps even in a new but identical thread, assigning a number or using the word "AGAIN".
This is a <usually> fun mix of camaraderie and knowledge..... but sometimes the camaraderie (which is what I am calling the 'Dummy and dirty arm' show) gets in the way.
Brian
Thanks! ADD is rampant around here.