Hey Folks,THIS is the only way to get back into action.... the kit runs $875 approx...
I've got a 2013 kawi concours that had the wireless key fall out while I was riding. Happened about 9 months ago and I have just been overwhelmed about it and it's been sitting around. You can read about that here: http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=23724.0 but to touch on what's been covered:
- I have no keys for this motorcycle, other than the stovepipe key, which I can't activate.
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Well, we're getting repaving done at my place and I have to move the bike tonight, called up my local Kawasaki dealer and they told me that in parts alone this was going to cost $2,400. That's before the pressure system for the tires which they're quoting me at starting at $3,300.
Has anybody had to do this before, I'm having a hard time finding costs associated,
At this stage it would be easier for me to declare the bike totaled.
Earlier, when you first asked about this, I tried to explain a bit;
But, just today this same issue popped up on the COG forum...
this is the solution I have, pretty much the only one... go price the "kit's", and see if you want to put the money out... sounds like the dealership you are questioning is wayy out of line on his pricing, and simply doesn't want to deal with it...
I know for certain, if I had the KDS, I could accomplish all of the changes in less than 1 hour.. even while taking a smoke break... and at general shop rate time of $140-$180 max.. (ridiculous price) per hour... It's a $1000 job... doubling and tripling the "parts costs" is abhorred...
THIS is the only way to get back into action.... the kit runs $875 approx...
mind you, you will need a physical "key" that fits the ignition.. or you will need a complete ignition module also... with a key.
you have a stovekey in ignition, you are fine with that.. during programming, it will be used and paired when the ECU and FOBs are layed on the bike, and system programming takes place... as for wheel sensors..? if they ain't bad, they get programmed as is.. during the process.. you don't need new ones unless they are dead...
21176-0748 SENSOR,TPMS 315MHZ 2 req'd.... (approx $213 each.. )
2008-'09
2 matched active fobs, matched to ECU, and ECU..kit
21175-0183 CONTROL UNIT-ELECTRONIC
2010-thru '14
1 active FOB, and ECU, matched kit
21175-0299 CONTROL UNIT-ELECTRONIC
2015 up
1 active FOB, paired to ECU, matched kit
21175-0730 CONTROL UNIT-ELECTRONIC
extras, after buying the above, will give you "spares"
passive credit card immobilizer/fobs, for programming,
21175-0256 SPARE FOB KEY blank may need to be purchased..
It realllly makes me furious, to read of dealerships that do things like you have been dealt.. even with "part markup", the price of parts, and time/labor would never get over $1500, for everything, Kit, labor, etc... and the tech won't even have to wash his hands afterwards..
Again, I'll remind you, no matter what you will still need someone with the KDS3 Kawasaki software, and interface setup, in order to properly install the parts and have them done in the correct order, and properly programmed to the bike...
so, don't attempt installing or removing stuff until you have someone that can do the programming...
I'll also note, this bike has sat for a long time; when the programming and replacement process is going to be done the bike MUST have a reliable and fully charged battery... one that is not in question, preferably a new battery, installed and all of the terminations and cable ends, including the grounding point on the frame, must be abrasively cleaned and insuring fresh good connections...
an older battery that gives only 12v, or less than 14v fully charged, will not survive the programming time, nor provide the needs.
It seems to me that the dealer's quote for parts to revive this bike is out of bounds. Kawasaki lists a part number for a new KiPass ECU and a FOB, PN 21175-0730, which at https://www.ronayers.com/oemparts/a/kaw/50a99d8ef87002235ccd8081/ignition-switch-locks-reflectors, is $871. (See callout 21175B.) Indeed you do need a KDS3 to complete this but even assuming 2 hours of labor for the install of the ECU and programming with the KDS3 (say $120/hour) that's another $240. So you should be able to get out of this for $1000 more or less.
Did the dealer itemize the $2400 quote? By the way, I'd ignore the TPMS issue at this point. That's the least of your problems. I'll also STRONGLY recommend that you purchase at least one additional "credit card" Key Immobilizer FOB as well (PN 21175-0256, SPARE FOB KEY - $45/each) and have them programmed to your bike at the same time. It takes only a few additional minutes with the KDS3 to do this and will help prevent a repeat of this unfortunate scenario in the future.
Where are you located? There are several frequenters of this board who have a KDS unit, myself included, so perhaps someone near you could help out. One issue you do have is that the seat will need to be removed to gain access, and since you have no "hard" key either, the lock will need to be picked or the seat otherwise removed.
BUMMER...
I moved from Hanover Va., back to Ohio in '11 and I probably could have helped you out a bit if I was still there, I know there is a COG member near you that does actually have a KDS, just have to roust him up, and see which version he has... gimme a while, I'll be back.. and put you in touch with him.. has to be 100x better than trying to deal with a dealership that has no clues... Only dealer I ever trusted is in Richmond, Ultimate Cycle... they are good folks..
I think I know someone in Md. that also has a KDS...
I just went thru this. https://www.carmousa.com was the solution. You will need to send them your ignition switch with the black box that is attached to it, plus $380.00, and you'll get 2 keys, nothing else is needed to make your bike run.
YHSublime, you and I lost our FOBs around the same time (looking at my original thread about my lost FOB http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=23715.0 ). call or text Kevin at Carmousa it will take about 3 weeks and you will be riding again.
Send the following items to Carmo electronics:
-ECM/ECU-unit of your motorcycle (Immobilizer ring for Yamaha, dashboard for Ducati/Aprilia motorcycles)
-One or two new chipkeys (or we can order them for you)
-Copy of your original purchase papers
Within 10 days we will send everything back!
Man of blues, You sir, have a right to believe and or think whatever you wish. i, on the other hand, dont have to prove anything to you.
YHSublime, you and I lost our FOBs around the same time (looking at my original thread about my lost FOB http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=23715.0 ). call or text Kevin at Carmousa it will take about 3 weeks and you will be riding again.
You may not think you have to prove anything, but it would be helpful on a forum to back up your claims, so others can benefit. You see, so far, no one has been able to do what you say they did. Verification would be a wonderful thing, and considering this is a forum where people actually share information and knowledge, when someone balks at providing confirmation of a claim such as yours, people tend to become even more skeptical.
I would love to help, but when a fellow forum member questions your integrity in a public forum, and basically demands proof of your actions and calls you a liar, that upsets me.