In the grand scheme of viruses this is a lot of hype with not that much actual content. Not that precautions shouldn't be taken, but I think we've crossed rather deeply into the absurd category with Covid-19.
Here's some graphs that give a different take on what the news media is feeding us. Notice the huge spike in media coverage of this virus vs. recent others that supposedly threatened humanity.
https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/?fbclid=IwAR1F8vuK3OYEzoX1xBXCms0F6IqrwOs3W_Vy_aM0D8RCMuUm9qrzPTL69AI
Hype and absurdity? At this late date?I am fully awake, and capable of seeing raw numbers vs. population, and looking at rates of cure and other factors and drawing a conclusion. If you made an effort to look at ANY of the material I presented you might see why I hold the opinion I do. Not that you have to believe what I believe, but I do resent that you somehow think I'm uninformed for being unimpressed by the measures put into place. Do we really need to shut down an entire nation for a virus with a 98.5% cure rate? Look at the number of times Covid-19 is mentioned in media vs. all other viruses and tell me again it's not a lot of hype and fear mongering? Or keep yourself up at night worrying, and listening to the bleating talking heads on tv who spin numbers to make things seem more grave than they really are.
You have got to be kidding me!?!?!?!?!?
Wake the **** up Bruce!!!
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Well yes, perhaps hyped up more than it should be.
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I am fully awake, and capable of seeing raw numbers vs. population, and looking at rates of cure and other factors and drawing a conclusion. If you made an effort to look at ANY of the material I presented you might see why I hold the opinion I do. Not that you have to believe what I believe, but I do resent that you somehow think I'm uninformed for being unimpressed by the measures put into place. Do we really need to shut down an entire nation for a virus with a 98.5% cure rate? Look at the number of times Covid-19 is mentioned in media vs. all other viruses and tell me again it's not a lot of hype and fear mongering? Or keep yourself up at night worrying, and listening to the bleating talking heads on tv who spin numbers to make things seem more grave than they really are.
Look at the number of times Covid-19 is mentioned in media vs. all other viruses and tell me again it's not a lot of hype and fear mongering?
Please tell us more about this cure?
The reason you need to shut down an entire country is so that the unfortunate souls who aren't in the 80ish percent of people who only get mild or no symptoms, don't overwhelm the medical facilities and make them unavailable for any other medical need. You wouldn't want to be a cancer patient or have a heart attack in New York right now.
Please tell us more about this cure?Maybe I should have said survival rate? And if you look at per capita infection rates you find the US & Germany are near the bottom of any list. I wouldn t want cancer or a heart attack in ANY city in the US, but that doesn't change anything about covid-19 and the sensationalized reporting of it. News media latches onto big numbers of deaths predicted for the US, yet don't tell you that those numbers are based on worst case scenario with no preventive steps being taken. I have read a bit deeper than what the media presents, at real numbers, real reports, to come to my conclusions. How about you?
The reason you need to shut down an entire country is so that the unfortunate souls who aren't in the 80ish percent of people who only get mild or no symptoms, don't overwhelm the medical facilities and make them unavailable for any other medical need. You wouldn't want to be a cancer patient or have a heart attack in New York right now.
Now apparently you and my state's Lt. Governor think that the economy is more important than peoples lives. You both are entitled to those opinions, but I don't think you will convince the rest of us.I'm not sure what state you're from, nor what your Lt. Governor claims. I merely stated I think the media is manipuilating the numbers so we don't get a true sense of the danger. And it has vilch to do with economy. Did I ever mention that? Or anything political? Come on Marty, I could get numbers other than Google and we could have a good discourse- no need to put words in my mouth.
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The reason you need to shut down an entire country is so that the unfortunate souls who aren't in the 80ish percent of people who only get mild or no symptoms...
Maybe I should have said survival rate?Yes, you should have. I knew what you meant, but not everybody is telepathic. Words are important.
I have read a bit deeper than what the media presents, at real numbers, real reports, to come to my conclusions. How about you?Real numbers? There is only one. The number of dead. The number of cases grows exponentially - the ones who have no symptoms and are not tested are not even counted. Nowhere near enough people are even tested. But if they aren't contained it will still spread.
I am fully awake, and capable of seeing raw numbers vs. population, and looking at rates of cure and other factors and drawing a conclusion. If you made an effort to look at ANY of the material I presented you might see why I hold the opinion I do. Not that you have to believe what I believe, but I do resent that you somehow think I'm uninformed for being unimpressed by the measures put into place. Do we really need to shut down an entire nation for a virus with a 98.5% cure rate? Look at the number of times Covid-19 is mentioned in media vs. all other viruses and tell me again it's not a lot of hype and fear mongering? Or keep yourself up at night worrying, and listening to the bleating talking heads on tv who spin numbers to make things seem more grave than they really are.
Yes, you should have. I knew what you meant, but not everybody is telepathic. Words are important.Real numbers? There is only one. The number of dead. The number of cases grows exponentially - the ones who have no symptoms and are not tested are not even counted. Nowhere near enough people are even tested. But if they aren't contained it will still spread.
Let's for example take your 99.5%. Then assume that everyone gets it - which they will if it isn't contained. The population of the US is what, 327 million? Half a percent of that is more than 160,000 dead people ... on top of the normal death rate from disease, accident and old age. A lot of bodies to get rid of in a hurry.
Doctors I know are expecting more like a 1% fatality rate. That's from the front line, not the media. And in Australia, a country the same size as the US with 10% of the population.
In Bruce's example he stated "a 98.5% cure rate". Ok, he meant survival rate.My bad. I looked at that as 99.5%. And yes, after that I seem to have misplaced my decimal point.
By my math, and I used to be pretty good at it, 1.5% of 327 million is 4.9 million. That's 4.9 million dead Americans. But of course, not everyone will be infected.
In Bruce's example he stated "a 98.5% cure rate". Ok, he meant survival rate.okay- math time with (I think) real numbers. This doing a quick search of total cases of COVID-19 in the US on Google.
To me that means that 1.5% do not survive. I'm sure that Michelle looked at that number incorrectly. 1.5% of 327 million is considerable more than 160K.
Further, Michelle, please check your math. How much is 0.5% of 327 million again? I believe that you have the decimal point in the wrong place.
By my math, and I used to be pretty good at it, 1.5% of 327 million is 4.9 million. That's 4.9 million dead Americans. But of course, not everyone will be infected.
I'm not sure what state you're from, nor what your Lt. Governor claims. I merely stated I think the media is manipuilating the numbers so we don't get a true sense of the danger. And it has vilch to do with economy. Did I ever mention that? Or anything political? Come on Marty, I could get numbers other than Google and we could have a good discourse- no need to put words in my mouth.I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I never claimed you were saying something political. I WAS giving reasons why the hype existed. Manipulating numbers is a whole different claim than a more generalized hype. I did lump you in with the Lt. Governor (Texas) that says that we should let the old people (himself included) take care of themselves and we should otherwise just go about our business so that the economy survives. Perhaps that was an error on my part, perhaps not.
okay- math time with (I think) real numbers. This doing a quick search of total cases of COVID-19 in the US on Google.2.37+ % death percentage is what I get from those numbers. However even if the total cases were to stop today at that number, I think it is safe to assume that more from that group (the 215K) will die and the percentage will go up. Only when (again in the scenario of no new cases) every one of the cases has panned out to either death or recovery can start accurately predicting death rates.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
215,362 confirmed cases
5113 deaths
Doesn't that give a mortality rate of .02 and some change?
I don't trust my own math because when I divided number of cases by total population I got 6.5, which I think is too high. Does 6.5% of the US have Covid-19? Might have misplaced the decimal as well?
This is why I look at what the media reports and say they've over-hyped it. Dr Fauci has given us numbers for a worst case scenario- but that doesn't get emphasized. The big scary numbers do though, and that is what I question.
As for me- I follow all the restrictions the local gov't has put in place. I just wonder why no one on tv points out survival numbers, or percentage of population infected. Why do we not hear about people recovered? Do any of us think that of 215K people infected there will be 215K deaths?
Therefore, Rick, while not resigning from the form, I'm talking a vacation of sorts. Don't know how long but I wish all of you the best and to stay safe as best you can or not. Your choice after all. Infect whom you want.
Jim