Good information and this is going to be a CLONE of the existing passive (i.e. "credit card") FOB. This "HOND 31P" key blank has a cloneable TPX3 transponder in it which is the same type of transponder used in the Concours.
By the way, if you are one of those C14 owners who have ONLY the active FOB, keep in mind that this also contains a passive, or KEY IMMOBILIZER, function and this part could be "cloned" using this same technique and keep you from the unfortunate scenario where you have NO keys if you lose your FOB. It seems there have been a couple of those recently.
I would like to see how this pans out...I will post back here.
after spending prtetty much the last month, explaining and researching, and supplying how "chips" can be cloned, the chip sets, the equipment, and the Kawasaki system (developed by Mitsubishi...propriatary to Kawasaki)...
all I can say is:
Yes, passive chips can be cloned.
Active FOBS CANNOT, that is why each one has a "slot" in the program, and each is delivered sending a different "code sequence"...
You must have a paired, fob, either active, or passive, to turn ignition "ON", to even begin programming anything to the bike.
so, programming an ACTIVE FOB, in a CLONE scenario, is not an option... because you CAN'T CLONE the FOB... i.e., you can't "program" the FOB.... just the receiver...
Well this is true that the control unit has to programed to the fob which means if you can duplicate the fob it's a home run.
This locksmith tells me that these devices do not communicate back and forth, that the fob sends a signal that the control unit can relate to. (ad-libbed)
I will find out for sure
after spending prtetty much the last month, explaining and researching, and supplying how "chips" can be cloned, the chip sets, the equipment, and the Kawasaki system (developed by Mitsubishi...propriatary to Kawasaki)...
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=23739.msg296683#msg296683
all I can say is:
Yes, passive chips can be cloned.
Active FOBS CANNOT, that is why each one has a "slot" in the program, and each is delivered sending a different "code sequence"...
You must have a paired, fob, either active, or passive, to turn ignition "ON", to even begin programming anything to the bike.
so, programming an ACTIVE FOB, in a CLONE scenario, is not an option... because you CAN'T CLONE the FOB... i.e., you can't "program" the FOB.... just the receiver...
I really think people should go back to basics, and read the manual before posting sometimes. The fob can be used as a passive fob when the battery is dead. Just to test this before I posted, I read the manual, and then removed the battery, and used it to start the bike. It activated the system just fine and I was able to turn the key and start the bike.
This locksmith tells me that these devices do not communicate back and forth
Yeah it would help if you read the whole thread (now i understand the popcorn)
The locksmith is not going to use a factory fob!
The locksmith stated that this fob (the oem fob) does not communicate back and forth to the control unit.
......even tho it's (the fob) continually broadcasting.
The FOB does not actively send out any signals until it "hears" the KiPass ECU. That happens under two scenarios:Ok I was typing slower than you, but I'm in agreement. However, MOB types it with such authority ...that I was hoping he had some documentation to back it up.
1) User presses the stove knob.
2) The bike was started using the FOB and the bike is underway. (This checks every so often for the FOB and displays a warning that the FOB is missing if it doesn't get a reply.)
If you sit a radio next to the FOB without doing anything with the bike you will never hear it "chirp". If you press the stove knob with no FOB around, you'll hear the bike ping several times before it activates the Key Immobilizer reader (i.e. the passive FOB reader). If a FOB is in the area there is additional traffic as the negotiation happens. The entire process takes much less than 1 sec.
So regardless of preconceived notions about what it does, it's quite easy to examine its behavior.