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Offline DaveO

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dumb customers
« on: July 18, 2011, 06:07:20 AM »
There is lots of dealer and shop bashing all over this site.
Some Im sure is deserved and some probably not.
Anybody in the business want to talk about their dumb customers?
I  am not in the business but I have a good freind that is and he sure tells some funny stories about the people that walk in his shop.
He loves it when the customer botches what they thought was such an easy job, then brings it to him to straighten it out. It keeps his business going.

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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 07:22:15 AM »
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Build bridges, not walls.

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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 07:42:39 AM »
Dumb exists on both sides of the fence.
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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 08:02:28 AM »
The customer does not get paid to be dumb. He does it for free.
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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2011, 08:19:55 AM »
Dumb exists on both sides of the fence.

Amen to this.

At least for those of us on forums like this, we know a little more about the bike than people who are not on forums. Doesn't mean we can do the work, but we know what the issues are.
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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2011, 08:24:00 AM »
He loves it when the customer botches what they thought was such an easy job, then brings it to him to straighten it out. It keeps his business going.

I understand that part of learning is making mistakes and then getting help to resolve them, but saying that someone "loves it" when someone else needs help with something just doesn't feel right either.

I've made mistakes performing maintenance on various machines either from lack of attention, knowledge or experience, fortunately none catastrophic, and all helping me learn how to do work more proficiently going forward.

The bashing that might go on with both sides has more to do with the deterioration of fundamental values IMHO, like personal responsibility for your actions and behavior, or pride in workmanship, and not that either customers or dealers are inherently bad.

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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2011, 10:24:55 AM »
I am in business and can tell stories about customers all day long . . . but I don't.

However, while I'll happily deal with "dumb" I won't tolerate rude, insulting or threatening behavior. There are customers I no longer sell to because they're jerks and the upside to this is that I have some products they can't get anyplace else for our price, so it's a win-win from my perspective: no more dealing with a rude asshole and it costs him more to buy elsewhere.  ;D

In life and in business I treat people the way I'd want to be treated. If you need more than the Golden Rule to navigate life, then your ethics may need a tune-up or complete overhaul.

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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2011, 11:12:03 AM »
The customer does not get paid to be dumb. He does it for free.

Too true!

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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2011, 12:04:04 PM »
I am in business and can tell stories about customers all day long . . . but I don't.

However, while I'll happily deal with "dumb" I won't tolerate rude, insulting or threatening behavior. There are customers I no longer sell to because they're jerks and the upside to this is that I have some products they can't get anyplace else for our price, so it's a win-win from my perspective: no more dealing with a rude asshole and it costs him more to buy elsewhere.  ;D

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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2011, 01:37:57 PM »
A friend who used to own a shop tells this story:
Guy walks in, places a part on the counter and says, "I need one of these".
"What's it off of?"
"A motorcycle."
"Okay, what's it say on the tank?"
"A$$, gas or grass, nobody rides for free. My brother put it on there."
"That's a dealer item. See the dealer."
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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2011, 02:43:07 PM »
I did sales and parts in a couple of shops years ago.
We carried Oil, lubricants and a slew of oil filters for a lot of bikes.
One late afternoon, almost closing time, a guy rushes in needing oil and a filter.
Hi, what can i do for you?
I need an oil filter for my bike.
What is your bike?
A Suzuki.
Which model?
Not a very big one, it's my first bike.
Ok, how many cc's?
What's a cc?
How big is the motor?
(With arms spread wide) about this big.
Is it a sport bike or a cruiser?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Looking around
It looks like that one over there (pointing to an Intruder)
Ok, now we're getting somewhere.
Yep, I'm somewhere tomorrow with some firends.
I grab a spin on filter that fit all of the Intruders of the day,, hand it to him.
Is this the only color?
Yep, black to indicate it is for oil.
Ohh, that's a good idea.
I tell him he will need 4 qts of oil, but will probably only use 3.7 qts to fill the crankcase.
Fill the what?
The crankcase.
No, I wanted oil for the motor.
No problem, the crankcase is the motor.
Ohhhh, ok
I ring it up, that will be $26.
Here put it on my Mastercard
I try 3 times, no go, I call the number on the card, and am told to cut the card through the numbers and throw it away.
The conversation kinda went South from there.
You just can't fix STUPID.
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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2011, 02:53:53 PM »
Here's a post from a BMW site I visit......for better or worse.....some customers are just a little off the wall and black holes of time

Thoughts on maximizing your odds of a successful dealer service:

When possible, do your homework on any serious issues before you go to a dealer. You may have to lead them BY THE NOSE to the resolution on your problem. ANTICIPATE having to micro-manage them to success. Be pleasantly surprised if it turns out you don't have to. I knew more about S54 cam bolts than the shop foreman when I took mine in. Ten days later (sigh), I had it back, fully covered.
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Use the rule "Trust but Verify". Tell them what you want done, trust them to do it, and VERIFY [a] that it got done properly and that they didn't screw anything else up in the process. See the 'Inspect your car at pickup' point below.
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When selecting a dealer: Find the least-worst dealer in your area, as rated by customers. Try the many BMW forums, or dealerRater-dot-com
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When selecting a service Advisor: Call the service manager directly, and ask him to recommend a service advisor who is technical and knowledgeable. Explain you want someone with mechanical expertise who is technically proficient.
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THEN call the Service Advisor, mentioning that the service manager referred you to him. This allies you with the service manager in the SA's mind. Ask him if he's ever installed coil-overs, or where the redline is on an S54 motor. If you get a bad feeling from the guy, change SAs.
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ASK the advisor for his "A" game. Tell him you love your car and you pay close attention to everything that's done on it. This sets the expectation that your are WATCHING THEM CLOSELY on how they fix your car. These guys process dozens of clients a day. You need to stand ou in their minds, in a good way.
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For significant work, politely but firmly request that the Shop Foreman or a master mechanic be the one to work on your car. This is not a grocery-getter sedan and should not be treated like one. No offense intended to sedans or their owners
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Be ready to involve the Service Manager and/or shop foreman in every discussion. Give him a chance to fix any problems by offering him "a chance to win back your business." Speaking his language is key here.
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Decide in advance if you trust them to wash your car. Anticipate minimum-wage lot monkeys with used rags "drying" your paint. Tell the SA if you want to forgo the wash, or just put your own 'DO NOT WASH' sign on the dash. Their 'free' wash may cost you hours with an orbital buffer, or detailer's fees.
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When collecting your car, inspect your car THOROUGHLY before your drive it off the lot - inside and out. The dealer lot monkeys are NOT careful with customer cars, especially lowered ones. Check your leather seats, steering wheel, bumpers, and rims for gouges. Look for dents/dings just like THEY do when they check the car in. Also check under the hood with the motor running for noises, leaks or missing accessories like strut tower bar nuts/caps.
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Check your fluid levels and all engine compartment caps if the dealer has touched anything. Check the valve cover gasket for obvious pinches or leaks. (The spurting oil will give those away). I had a tech botch this and not check it before giving me back the car - an honest but dumb mistake, followed by another day for them to clean it all up.
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Keep every service receipt on your car for at least a year. Ask for a written record of the valve shim measurements on inspection I/II. BMW has a form for this (Ron Stygar posted it); print it out, take it with you and hand it to the SA with a request that it be completed anytime the valves are adjusted.
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EXPLICITLY state what kind of fluids are to be used, and how much. Leave no room for error. Yes, they are supposed to know. Yes, they ignore their own specs. My last dealer trip got me 5.5 Qt of oil rather than the specified 5.5L. Even AFTER i wrote it out.
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Keep your own service log on a notepad in the glovebox. I like the small Moleskin notebooks for this.
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FYI, Mondays generally have the least backlog in the shop. If you get there Monday AM, your service typically gets started on the same day. Depending on backlog/volume, any other day can mean overnight stays until your car gets its turn in the shop. Insert the standard "Parts Availability" caveat here. You'd think they'd stock a supply of bolts and gaskets for an S54, as it was one of their best engines ever, but apparenty not.
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If you want any particular bolts torqued to factory spec, you need to ask for it, and for threadlocker if you want it. Despite what common sense might suggest, dealers (at least in LA) will not do so unless the 'repair procedure' explicitly calls for it, or unless you ask for it. Verfied this March 2011, Center BMW, , where i was told 'the technicians just develop a feel for it.' Perhaps, but I'd rather they 'feel' the click of the torque wrench on that vanos bolt, thanks.


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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2011, 03:29:26 PM »
I like this one...  ;D
 

 

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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2011, 08:32:56 PM »
Like my wife takes her Jeep Rubicon in to the dealer today because the air conditioning wasn't working.

He was nice enough to turn it "ON" for her and told to try it out for the afternoon and if it didn't cool sufficiently to bring it back.

You think he was laughing his ass off when she drove off? ;D

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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2011, 07:42:31 AM »
Like my wife takes her Jeep Rubicon in to the dealer today because the air conditioning wasn't working.

He was nice enough to turn it "ON" for her and told to try it out for the afternoon and if it didn't cool sufficiently to bring it back.

You think he was laughing his ass off when she drove off? ;D

And the local dealer here quoted my wife $70 to replace the 'several' bulbs that had gone out in the taillights. Even warned her of driving it with multiple bulbs burnt out... when I went to check on which ones needed replacing, there was not any bulbs burnt out...

I'd rather use your dealer...
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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2011, 12:28:33 PM »
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Me-"can you be a bit more specific about your problem"?
Patient-"Ask my wife"
Me-"Sir, this is obviously not an emergency, I'm not taking you to the hospital, I will however, as the law states, stay with you until you call a private ambulance and have them take you to the hospital.

We didn't take him.
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Re: dumb customers
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2011, 02:19:11 PM »
Hehehehe  About a million years ago I worked as a mechanic at a small Buick dealer. Most of the customers were older folks and were generally very nice and reasonable. Then this one day I did something on a customer's car (don't even remember what it was but it was something simple) on Thursday night, when the dealer was open late. I put the car out on the street, turned in the paperwork and went on with my life.... when suddenly I hear "There he is, he's the one, right there" and this older woman is standing next to my boss, the service manager, and pointing to me. Hmmmmm this cannot be good. I figured I must have gotten something in the carpet or similar. Bill (boss) says 'Brian, let's take a walk out to this woman's car, she says you bent her steering wheel.' I am stunned because I am quite confident I did NOT bend anything on anyone's car that day. We walk out to the car, she points into the interior and says 'See?'. Nope, we don't see it. She gets in the car, grabs the wheel and says that it is now way up in the air and was much lower and more comfortable when she drove in and that I must have bent the steering wheel 'up'. I reached into the car, pulled the tilt lock and moved the steering wheel down.... apparently the woman did not know that was a feature of her car.  ;D

I saw some amazing things in that place, done is apparently equal parts but customers and employees alike.. It was my introduction, my real introduction, to human behavior and I have not fully recovered yet.  :o 

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There is lots of dealer and shop bashing all over this site.
Some Im sure is deserved and some probably not.
Anybody in the business want to talk about their dumb customers?
I  am not in the business but I have a good freind that is and he sure tells some funny stories about the people that walk in his shop.
He loves it when the customer botches what they thought was such an easy job, then brings it to him to straighten it out. It keeps his business going.
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