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[Rembrant]

...according to the MS rags, the FJR actually shows more torque - a lot more - at that range. not what the real world showed though. Steve

I know the FJR always gets a nod for it's top gear roll-on power, but I'm curious, has anybody ever compared the gear ratios between the crank and the rear wheel on the FJR to the C14? The FJR is a 5spd isn't it? I know the FJR's 5th would be geared differently than the C14's 5th, but how doe the FJR's 5th compare to the C14's 6th? I'm just curious.

Sorry Steve...my question isn't really directed at you...it's just a general question in case anybody knows;).

Back to the original poster's question though...the Area-P full system and a PC5 kit with Fuelmoto mapping is the business. Period. I've tried just about every performance set-up available on two different C14's, and that set-up is the best, by far, in my own opinion. I know the Guhl ECU reflashes have become more popular over the years due to their plug-n-play convenience, but if you want to really maximize the performance of the C14 on the open road, an Area-P full system "performance package" from Fuelmoto is the way to go.

Peace & Axle Grease,
Rem

[elp_jc]

I know the FJR always gets a nod for it's top gear roll-on power, but I'm curious, has anybody ever compared the gear ratios between the crank and the rear wheel on the FJR to the C14?

The Connie is significantly taller geared in top gear than an FJR, so it's obviously slower. But that's a stupid test IMO, since you can just downshift to 5th and have basically the same roll-on performance. I MUCH rather have an extra overdrive 6th gear with a slower roll-on ALL DAY LONG . If I remember correctly, 4K rpm in the FJR equates to 70 mph in 5th (on my ex-2007). I think the new is exactly the same, but it's 75 at best. The Connie is good for 88 mph; unheard of on a bike, and that's one of the main reasons I got it instead. You can be well into triple digits before the inherent I-4 harmonic vibration sets in. On the FJR, is starts right at 80. Plus I absolutely HATED how the FJR was geared for the twisties. It also vibrated like crazy at the ton, putting my limbs to sleep in a heartbeat. That was the main reason I sold it. Some say it's better now, but it's the same darn engine and tranny, so don't think that's the case. The Connie definitely feels smoother after the 35-mile trip from the dealer, but I'll find out for sure after my first long trip. So far, couldn't be happier with my choice; it's exactly what I want in a bike. Much more sport-oriented than FJRs (too softly sprung), the right gearing, the right comfort features, looks, etc. And well proven by now, so it should be very reliable. Have a great weekend ahead.

[Daytona_Mike]

I agree.  Full Area P is the best power upgrade you can do.. Respring the C14 and a set of Ohlins/AK20's and you have a great bike. Still wont catch a stock  ZX1400  but that is a whole different world of bikes.
I like a slipper clutch  on C10 and C14 which the FJ does not have. I do not thank ANY sport touring bike has a slipper except for Connies.

Back to the original poster's question though...the Area-P full system and a PC5 kit with Fuelmoto mapping is the business. Period. I've tried just about every performance set-up available on two different C14's, and that set-up is the best, by far, in my own opinion. I know the Guhl ECU reflashes have become more popular over the years due to their plug-n-play convenience, but if you want to really maximize the performance of the C14 on the open road, an Area-P full system "performance package" from Fuelmoto is the way to go.

[maxtog]

The Connie is significantly taller geared in top gear than an FJR, so it's obviously slower. But that's a stupid test

Exactly.  It is a very stupid test/comparison that means nothing.

IMO, since you can just downshift to 5th and have basically the same roll-on performance.

Probably more

I MUCH rather have an extra overdrive 6th gear with a slower roll-on ALL DAY LONG .

Exactly.  That is what a sports *TOURING* bike *should* have, a low top gear to reduce vibration and noise.  We have the best of both...  Put it in 5th and roll right past an FJR.

[maxtog]

I agree.  Full Area P is the best power upgrade you can do..

After or at least at the same time as removing or flashifying the secondary butterflies (faster/cheaper)

I like a slipper clutch  on C10 and C14 which the FJ does not have. I do not thank ANY sport touring bike has a slipper except for Connies.

Wow- they don't have that either?  Blech!  Slipper is niiiiiiiiiiiice...

[connie_rider]

I would think that everyone does a high gear comparison of the 2, with both bikes in 5th?
I'm pretty sure that both would be 1 to 1 out of the tranny?

Not sure how the 2 differential ratio's compare...

5th in the Yamaha and 6th in the Connie wouldn't be a correct comparison.

Ride safe, Ted

[maxtog]

I would think that everyone does a high gear comparison of the 2, with both bikes in 5th?
5th in the Yamaha and 6th in the Connie wouldn't be a correct comparison.

True, and yet we have seen reviews that did just that!

[B.D.F.]

There probably is no direct way to compare them; the entire drive train has different gear ratios all through it, starting with the output shaft of the transmission, then going through two sets of 90 gears (the bevel set and the final drive). The FJR sings a bit more than a C-14 when both are in top gear on the highway, and it leads me to believe that 5th on both bikes <may> be the closest gearing comparison possible. But to know someone would have to check engine RPM at a given speed in both 5th and 6th on the C-14 and then 5th on a Feejer to really know which is closest.

Brian

I would think that everyone does a high gear comparison of the 2, with both bikes in 5th?
I'm pretty sure that both would be 1 to 1 out of the tranny?

Not sure how the 2 differential ratio's compare...

5th in the Yamaha and 6th in the Connie wouldn't be a correct comparison.

Ride safe, Ted

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

OK how about if I do a c-14 to c-14 challenge? I'll use the same piped 09, and run it against my new to me 2012 (that I've had for 2 days) that ought to learn me somethin' 

 as far as the FJR roll-ons, they were done in 2-3 gear, yes gearing will alsways be the issue, but Steve - who owns the FJR was really surpised the 09 ran away as hard as it did. apparently he rides with another c-14 owner often, and it can't do what my 09 did.  Steve

[gPink]

Lot to be said by allowing an engine to breath and feed.

[gPink]

Was there a question here Ted or are you just passing along a quote?   

[connie_rider]

OK how about if I do a c-14 to c-14 challenge? I'll use the same piped 09, and run it against my new to me 2012 (that I've had for 2 days) that ought to learn me somethin' 

 as far as the FJR roll-ons, they were done in 2-3 gear, yes gearing will alsways be the issue, but Steve - who owns the FJR was really surpised the 09 ran away as hard as it did. apparently he rides with another c-14 owner often, and it can't do what my 09 did.  Steve

Sounds like you've definitely upped the torque on your bike..
Would have been even =better if that other C-14 had been there.

C-14 vs C-14; sounds like a good plan.
Run them. determine the difference.
Tweak one and repeat.
    Would be even better if you could keep your hands off of the 12.
      (But, we all know that ain't gonna happen).. <grin>

Ride safe, Ted