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Deleted Part Two
« on: January 19, 2015, 06:10:43 AM »
If a thread is going to be locked to allow no more comments, which I understand is at the moderators discretion, why remove the posts that led to the locking if those posts contained no personal attacks or gratuitous sex or violence?

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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2015, 06:41:39 AM »
I can easily take care of that for you..
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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2015, 06:58:34 AM »
If a thread is going to be locked to allow no more comments, which I understand is at the moderators discretion, why remove the posts that led to the locking if those posts contained no personal attacks or gratuitous sex or violence?


no room for a healthy debate????

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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2015, 07:01:47 AM »
I can easily take care of that for you..

Which part? Are you going to add some gratuitous sex?    ;)
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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2015, 07:04:43 AM »
That would have been infinitely better...


no room for a healthy debate? ???

Debate what?
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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2015, 07:16:47 AM »
If a thread is going to be locked to allow no more comments, which I understand is at the moderators discretion, why remove the posts that led to the locking if those posts contained no personal attacks or gratuitous sex or violence?

I'm late to this game as I've been off site for a while but.... Many post were removed and/or "deleted" by the OP him/herself and the postings removed by the Mods indeed contained personal attack and more.... More and more we are seeing opinions grow larger than tolerable and as we've said recently your status here will not save you from the ban hammer if it continues.
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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2015, 07:30:01 AM »
Is that similar to the infamous K-ROCK?

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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2015, 07:31:31 AM »
No comparison, Gary.
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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2015, 08:03:45 AM »
First of all, was there a 'Delete part 1' thread? And if there was, where did it go?

Secondly, are posts / threads being deleted on this forum now. In the past, threads were locked when needed, and of course some posts altered for content but it was all done in the open. Has that policy / method changed?

Of course this is a privately owned and run forum and the owner and / or his agents, can do whatever they please. But there had never been problems with censorship in the past to the best of my knowledge and I am interested to know if that is or had changed.??

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If a thread is going to be locked to allow no more comments, which I understand is at the moderators discretion, why remove the posts that led to the locking if those posts contained no personal attacks or gratuitous sex or violence?
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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2015, 08:12:53 AM »
Somehow I always miss the fun so I don't know what this is all about.  :-\  But the admins of this forum have left us the "Arena" for the children to play in (that means me). Why not just use that for anything controversial?

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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2015, 08:19:02 AM »
As a general rule, thread removals are not something I subscribe to.  In this case, an exception was made.  So to answer your first question, both delete threads were removed. To answer the second question, this is not a new policy on my part or the beginning of 1984.

I looked at both threads.  It would have been difficult to clean them up and have them still make sense and quite frankly I was in no mood for it.

The C14 boards are for C14 discussions.  They are not platforms to attack members based on their thoughts on the C14.  If one disagrees with someone's philosophical bent on the bike then disagree but do so in a civil manner.  Discussions on other than the C14 or C10  can be handled in other boards such as Open or in the Arena.
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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2015, 08:38:56 AM »
If I am following this correctly, those threads would have been about the pre- purchase discussion of a new 2015 C-14..... ?  If so, you are right in that they had no great value to the content as I remember.

As I said, this is a private forum and the owner and / or his agents (that would be you Jim) can do as they please. But I would like to make an observation if I may: it is a fine line between 'editing, fixing, cleaning up, and so forth' and censorship. Also, I think the idea of censorship can be as bad or worse than censorship itself. In the past, you (and I mean you personally Jim) have done an outstanding job, IMO, of quieting down posts through editing while leaving the intent and mood of the poster pretty much intact as well as leaving the thread alone (by which I mean in place, not [not edited]).

I am sure it is easier to just delete things than it is to edit them. But the easy way is often not the best way and believe me, at least some of us have noticed your effort and success in the past with this fine line and appreciated it. Certainly it is not my place to suggest anything for anyone else that makes more work but in this particular case I will say that the older way was the better way IMO, and both the forum and you were better for having done it that way.

Whichever way you go forward, thanks for your past efforts.

Sincerely and with the greatest respect,
Brian

As a general rule, thread removals are not something I subscribe to.  In this case, an exception was made.  So to answer your first question, both delete threads were removed. To answer the second question, this is not a new policy on my part or the beginning of 1984.

I looked at both threads.  It would have been difficult to clean them up and have them still make sense and quite frankly I was in no mood for it.

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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2015, 12:15:20 PM »
Can you delete Brian's above post? I got tired reading all of it.  ;D
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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2015, 12:31:16 PM »
 :) No.
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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2015, 12:33:28 PM »
If I am following this correctly, those threads would have been about the pre- purchase discussion of a new 2015 C-14..... ?  If so, you are right in that they had no great value to the content as I remember.

As I said, this is a private forum and the owner and / or his agents (that would be you Jim) can do as they please. But I would like to make an observation if I may: it is a fine line between 'editing, fixing, cleaning up, and so forth' and censorship. Also, I think the idea of censorship can be as bad or worse than censorship itself. In the past, you (and I mean you personally Jim) have done an outstanding job, IMO, of quieting down posts through editing while leaving the intent and mood of the poster pretty much intact as well as leaving the thread alone (by which I mean in place, not [not edited]).

I am sure it is easier to just delete things than it is to edit them. But the easy way is often not the best way and believe me, at least some of us have noticed your effort and success in the past with this fine line and appreciated it. Certainly it is not my place to suggest anything for anyone else that makes more work but in this particular case I will say that the older way was the better way IMO, and both the forum and you were better for having done it that way.

Whichever way you go forward, thanks for your past efforts.

Sincerely and with the greatest respect,
Brian

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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2015, 12:43:35 PM »
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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2015, 12:56:12 PM »
Me too- and I have been around here since the 'early days' (of the C-14 that is, not the early days of the forum).

Jim is neither the owner nor is he the only admin. / moderator but he is the most active, or at least was in the past, and I believe sets the tone for the whole place. And Jim has a pretty risky job (he is a coal miner as I remember) so.... things could change unfortunately :-)

And there is a certain 'break- in' period with forums and not all of them are capable of really cutting loose; I have been careful to keep Kirby from attending any other forums mostly because I just do not feel the participants are up to the task. Even the term 'Easy Boys' is meeting some resistance and confusion on another forum... I have been hand feeding it to them just a little at a time and it is still not clear whether it will really take hold there or not.

Been frolicking with a local BMW group of late but am not yet sure about their forum. They are certainly tough enough for mostly anything I can come up with (after the filter of course, some thoughts in their raw form and before the filter are not fit even to be in my head, never mind written down) but they are a bit intense and may not quite be able to appreciate the finer points of some humor. Still, I did join the group and they badly miss- spelled my name, confused initials and really did a spectacular job of jumbling it so perhaps there is hope after all....?

Brian

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Re: Deleted Part Two
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2015, 01:02:12 PM »
B V D  ?

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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2015, 02:34:15 PM »
.....they badly miss- spelled my name, confused initials and really did a spectacular job of jumbling it so perhaps there is hope after all....?

B V D  ?
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2015, 03:02:19 PM »
:rotflmao:

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I joined by default as the UK site went down and our people spoke with your people allowing UK a platform to use............................I enjoy the differing view points and take my hat off to VirginiaJim and his UK counterpart The Wolf for the site support they give.

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