Turn engine over without starting?

[stevewfl]

Brian and  others are correct. The engine will not turn over with the kill switch on. I do not know of any motorcycles (except a Helix which barely qualifies) that will turn over with the kill switch on.
Just start the engine normally.

Some euro  bikes do.  I about ran a new lithium battery out trying to figure out why this one would turn over but not fire.  Never dreamed kill switch could be off and it turn over

[dfwscotty]

Won't the oil pump push the same amount of oil through the engine whether it spins by starter, rolling it in gear or by combustion?

[just gone]

My question is, can I turn over the engine without starting it? Will the engine turnover with the kill switch off without firing the injectors?

My 08 will not turn over with the kill switch engaged. OP might see if the injectors are on a separate fuse. Might get the dreaded FI code.

From my read of the wiring diagram there is no fuse circuit just for the injectors. There is a fuel pump relay but I think that is difficult to get to (in the relay box) but I could be wrong. I think if you want to turn over the engine and still have everything else working except the fuel pump then here is what is needed. Purchase Brian's (aka: B.D.F. ) Low fuel warning eliminator and then use his included instructions to unplug the fuel pump. Installing the device is optional for what you want to accomplish here, but it's a well made device and then you'll always have it if you decide you want one.    ( Full disclosure: I'm not an agent for Brian, nor a salesman. I will receive no monetary gain from any transaction with Brian that you or other's may make. If you do make a purchase he may tell me the cat joke someday. I certainly hope the joke is worth all this typing.)

[Son of Pappy]

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?action=media;sa=album;in=33;nw;start=20
Bits of the cat joke can be found on the bottom line of pics 

[B.D.F.]

That is a good idea Marty- not buying anything from me but rather just pulling the fuel pump plug and see if the bike will crank over (I think it will). Guaranteed not to start too because there will be no fuel to the injectors.

Just remove the saddle, reach behind the tank and find the harness with the connector with four pins and three wires. Disconnect that connector and crank the bike- it should turn the engine but it will not start.

By the way, the dash display may go a little 'nuts' (technical term) but just ignore that- it will return to normal after you reattach the cable. By the way, disconnect and reconnect the cable with the ignition off only- don't do it while the bike is powered up.

Brian

From my read of the wiring diagram there is no fuse circuit just for the injectors. There is a fuel pump relay but I think that is difficult to get to (in the relay box) but I could be wrong. I think if you want to turn over the engine and still have everything else working except the fuel pump then here is what is needed. Purchase Brian's (aka: B.D.F. ) Low fuel warning eliminator and then use his included instructions to unplug the fuel pump. Installing the device is optional for what you want to accomplish here, but it's a well made device and then you'll always have it if you decide you want one.    ( Full disclosure: I'm not an agent for Brian, nor a salesman. I will receive no monetary gain from any transaction with Brian that you or other's may make. If you do make a purchase he may tell me the cat joke someday. I certainly hope the joke is worth all this typing.)

[gPink]

That is a good idea Marty- not buying anything from me but rather just pulling the fuel pump plug and see if the bike will crank over (I think it will). Guaranteed not to start too because there will be no fuel to the injectors.

Just remove the saddle, reach behind the tank and find the harness with the connector with four pins and three wires. Disconnect that connector and crank the bike- it should turn the engine but it will not start.

By the way, the dash display may go a little 'nuts' (technical term) but just ignore that- it will return to normal after you reattach the cable. By the way, disconnect and reconnect the cable with the ignition off only- don't do it while the bike is powered up.

Brian

...or what?

[B.D.F.]

I don't know. I don't even know if it would be bad for sure but I do know it would introduce power to two different places at different times when they are usually powered up together.

I only made the suggestion not to do it because as I recommended the original process and would be wary of connecting / disconnecting that connector with power applied, I would pass along the caveat.

Brian

...or what?

[VirginiaJim]

Maybe this?

Nuclear Explosion

[tweeter55]

Or maybe more along the lines of this:
http://youtu.be/UF5EDV6T7es

[zarticus]

Brian and  others are correct. The engine will not turn over with the kill switch on. I do not know of any motorcycles (except a Helix which barely qualifies) that will turn over with the kill switch on.
Just start the engine normally.

Most early/mid 80's Honda's will turn over with the kill switch on, Both my V65 Magna's & my V45 Sabre do.

[Boomer]

float bowls and choke?

Brain fart. My head was in C10 mode.

C14 you can't. Just start her up already.
She won't wear out in the 10 seconds it will take for the oil to circulate.

[just gone]

- not buying anything from me but rather just pulling the fuel pump plug and see if the bike will crank over (I think it will). Guaranteed not to start too because there will be no fuel to the injectors.

Just remove the saddle, reach behind the tank and find the harness with the connector with four pins and three wires. Disconnect that connector and crank the bike- it should turn the engine but it will not start.

Way to go Brian, there goes another sale! Best you not quit your day job! 

Most early/mid 80's Honda's will turn over with the kill switch on....

My mid 70s Honda Trail 90 even turns over with the ignition off.      (sorry, it seemed funny when I typed it.)

[B.D.F.]

Hey, I don't want to sell anything to anyone who does not want one. The information was free, the hardware is a few dollars more than that.

Besides, I have a plan all worked out: next summer, at the national in TN, I plan on making millions shaving that beard off of Chuck (Rev Rider). I mean even at two dollars each, if we get a million people to watch, that is two million dollars, right?

I am so confident that I am already spending the money.... Just like the Gov't!

 

Brian

Way to go Brian, there goes another sale! Best you not quit your day job! 

My mid 70s Honda Trail 90 even turns over with the ignition off.      (sorry, it seemed funny when I typed it.)

[incabird]

Thanks for the information Brian. Since I have not ridden the bike in awhile and it has fresh oil in it, I just wanted to circulate the oil without adding any combustion contaminants to the oil. With it being winter it will be some time before I would be able to ride it again. I have had some knee and hand issues that may make me think about selling it. I enjoyed riding it but have put less than 2000 miles on it since new. Thanks again for the information.

[B.D.F.]

Glad to help if I can but this was Marty's idea, and a very good one I think. I could not think of any easy way to get the bike to crank without starting but Marty banged into what is going to be about the easiest way to 'outwit' the bike into doing that I think.

Brian

Thanks for the information Brian. Since I have not ridden the bike in awhile and it has fresh oil in it, I just wanted to circulate the oil without adding any combustion contaminants to the oil. With it being winter it will be some time before I would be able to ride it again. I have had some knee and hand issues that may make me think about selling it. I enjoyed riding it but have put less than 2000 miles on it since new. Thanks again for the information.

[Mister Tee]

I don't think there is any value in "circulating the oil" for a very short period of time.  And if the injectors DO fire on no spark, you are doing yourself an active disservice.

This subject sometimes comes up on aircraft forums.  If you haven't flown the plane in a while, should you hand crank the engine a few turns?  And the answer is generally, unless the engine has been running at full speed for a while, all you are really doing is scraping off whatever oil film is still left on the cylinder barrels and camshaft.  Your Connie doesn't have steel barrels (at least I don't think it does) but still I don't really see an upside.

A better idea would be to apply some fogging oil if it's going to sit for another year and be done with it.