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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2013, 12:00:56 PM »
Conrad:
You are right that you get rid of the big flashing LOW FUEL message but you do not regain a distance estimate. Is there anything else that you don't have at that point??
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2013, 12:07:38 PM »
Conrad:
You are right that you get rid of the big flashing LOW FUEL message but you do not regain a distance estimate. Is there anything else that you don't have at that point??

Nope, just the inaccurate range is lost. 
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2013, 12:11:57 PM »
Interesting. How inaccurate is the range display Conrad? Especially below, say, 40 miles?

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Nope, just the inaccurate range is lost.
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2013, 12:25:35 PM »
Interesting. How inaccurate is the range display Conrad? Especially below, say, 40 miles?

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I don't have any numbers for you Brian but it's just the nature of the beast. If you baby the bike when your low on fuel you'll go a lot further than if you beat on it right? I always reset my 'A' odo when I fuel up so I 'almost always' know how far I can go once the low fuel warning comes on.
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2013, 12:45:05 PM »
Yes, changing the way you are using the bike directly and pretty drastically changes the range and that is what makes the range indicator so useful at low remain ranges- it responds in real time to how the bike is being used at the moment.

The ECU knows both how much fuel is in the bike but also at what rate that fuel is being used because it is the ECU that is actually using the fuel. The ECU uses the 'current mileage' function coupled with the amount of fuel to constantly change the range displayed. If you have a gallon of fuel and are currently getting 40 MPH then you have 40 miles of range (obviously) but the moment you change the way you are using that fuel, both the current mileage and the range displays will change to accurately reflect that change. The typical thing that happens is that we slow down and the range increases; we can adjust our speed to change (increase of course) our range based on the currently displayed range.

Of course I am selling a device to allow the range device to be used after the low fuel level is reached but only because I have found it useful for my own use on my own bike. When the tank is near full the range indicator IS inaccurate but to be honest, who really cares? The difference in 20 or 30 miles of range when there is 200+ is really not useful, at least to me. But the range indicator is pretty darned accurate at low fuel levels and reflects real world, current usage conditions so it is a much more useful tool near the empty end of the tank rather than at the full end.

All of that said, of course it is only an estimate and I would not dare trust it down to, say, 3 miles remaining. I have had the range function read 7 miles and the bike was still running when I pulled into a fuel station but I would not have passed that station; I had my wife with me and no additional fuel and I cannot even begin to tell you how much she hates walking back to a fuel station carrying a fuel can. :-) 

I will strap on a quart or so of spare fuel, run the bike down to -0- on the range function and see how accurate it really is this summer. I would not normally do this as it can be hard on fuel pumps but fortunately I have several laying around from the development phase of the low fuel warning development phase that let out some smoke 

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I don't have any numbers for you Brian but it's just the nature of the beast. If you baby the bike when your low on fuel you'll go a lot further than if you beat on it right? I always reset my 'A' odo when I fuel up so I 'almost always' know how far I can go once the low fuel warning comes on.
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2013, 12:56:40 PM »
Yes, changing the way you are using the bike directly and pretty drastically changes the range and that is what makes the range indicator so useful at low remain ranges- it responds in real time to how the bike is being used at the moment.

The ECU knows both how much fuel is in the bike but also at what rate that fuel is being used because it is the ECU that is actually using the fuel. The ECU uses the 'current mileage' function coupled with the amount of fuel to constantly change the range displayed. If you have a gallon of fuel and are currently getting 40 MPH then you have 40 miles of range (obviously) but the moment you change the way you are using that fuel, both the current mileage and the range displays will change to accurately reflect that change. The typical thing that happens is that we slow down and the range increases; we can adjust our speed to change (increase of course) our range based on the currently displayed range.

Of course I am selling a device to allow the range device to be used after the low fuel level is reached but only because I have found it useful for my own use on my own bike. When the tank is near full the range indicator IS inaccurate but to be honest, who really cares? The difference in 20 or 30 miles of range when there is 200+ is really not useful, at least to me. But the range indicator is pretty darned accurate at low fuel levels and reflects real world, current usage conditions so it is a much more useful tool near the empty end of the tank rather than at the full end.

All of that said, of course it is only an estimate and I would not dare trust it down to, say, 3 miles remaining. I have had the range function read 7 miles and the bike was still running when I pulled into a fuel station but I would not have passed that station; I had my wife with me and no additional fuel and I cannot even begin to tell you how much she hates walking back to a fuel station carrying a fuel can. :-) 

I will strap on a quart or so of spare fuel, run the bike down to -0- on the range function and see how accurate it really is this summer. I would not normally do this as it can be hard on fuel pumps but fortunately I have several laying around from the development phase of the low fuel warning development phase that let out some smoke 

Brian

Now that you put it that way I retract my statement. I guess if one was able to use the range function at the low levels you're talking about that it would be more accurate. I've never been able to use the range function as you are since I don't have your device installed.
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2013, 01:06:26 PM »
Yep, I posted on both forums at the same time- the link to the one here is: http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13852.0

Hey, I just had a thought- If I put another low fuel indicator in the fuel tank at a really (and I mean really, really) low point in the tank then I could test the range indicator down to effectively no fuel without actually running out and cooking the fuel pump. Why I tells ya' a few thousand more modifications and there wont' be much of anything Kawasaki left on my bike.   ;)

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Now that you put it that way I retract my statement. I guess if one was able to use the range function at the low levels you're talking about that it would be more accurate. I've never been able to use the range function as you are since I don't have your device installed.
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2013, 05:09:51 PM »
Easily done. Press and hold the top button in, then press and release the bottom button, then release the top button. The red LED comes on to let you know that something is up and you have your display again.

Most of us know that, I suppose.... (or should... it is in the manual)

The issue is that it is annoying, unnecessary, difficult, and unsafe to try to doing while moving (but I do it anyway).  It would have been better to turn on the red light immediately and then flash the display warning for a minute or until ANY single button is pressed (including the handlebar one).
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2013, 06:59:00 PM »
I would have preferred a simple warning light like the rest of the free world has.
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2013, 04:32:14 AM »
Most of us know that, I suppose.... (or should... it is in the manual)

The issue is that it is annoying, unnecessary, difficult, and unsafe to try to doing while moving (but I do it anyway).  It would have been better to turn on the red light immediately and then flash the display warning for a minute or until ANY single button is pressed (including the handlebar one).

"Should" being the operative word here.
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2013, 09:31:50 AM »
Easily done. Press and hold the top button in, then press and release the bottom button, then release the top button. The red LED comes on to let you know that something is up and you have your display again.
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2013, 10:10:45 AM »
Easily said, not so easily done in heavy traffic with winter gloves on.

In that case, I would suggest that you not run low on fuel in heavy traffic while wearing winter gloves.     ;)
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2013, 10:22:54 AM »
I would guess it's even worse when you're driving on the wrong side of the road.

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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2013, 10:23:42 AM »
In that case, I would suggest that you not run low on fuel in heavy traffic while wearing winter gloves.     ;)

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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2013, 10:25:08 AM »
Great advise Conrad. Got any thoughts about getting into accidents- should we avoid those too?

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In that case, I would suggest that you not run low on fuel in heavy traffic while wearing winter gloves.     ;)
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Re: Insturment cluster reflash......
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2013, 10:46:44 AM »
Great advise Conrad. Got any thoughts about getting into accidents- should we avoid those too?

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That would be prudent, yes, you'll live a longer happier life that way.
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