Sandy Hook - Earplugs and tactical reloads

[Strawboss]

No, sorry I didn't mention it was not passed, but much political hay was made by anti-gun folks saying that it should have been passed and would have prevented many gun crimes and was touted as a great "common sense" measure.

[Miss Silvera]

Yes I agree it is common sense. here in NC there is a law of safe storage from minors.  There is a federal law that applies too.  What we can do though is make a mandate that you must own a "safe. vault, lock box" .  I think that instead of the government trying to push for more laws to keep guns out of the responsible owners hands, they should push more for the safe and secure storage.   In this case, if someones mentally ill child or friend or spouse wanted to access those firearms, they couldn't.   Now I KNOW THIS IS FULL OF HOLES...but it would be a start.

It would put the responsibility back on the owner, not the gun....(as politicians are doing) ....liability on the owner would be a deterrent to the law abiding persons I know...criminals would be another story all together.....like I said, there are a lot of holes.

I am NOT for gun control, I am for securing.....   

Those cheap locks that come with guns are not safe and secure storage.   it take a lot more. It takes something that would keep the firearm from leaving.   

I wish there was an answer without banning...that s NOT the answer, we all know that.   

[jworth]

What about my car keys?  Should they be kept somehow secure so a minor can't get them? I hang my car keys on the hook when I come in the door.  Should there be a law that says I have to keep them secured under lock and key?  Then how about the keys to that?   What about my knives?  I have a chainsaw that can be pretty dangerous.   Should there be a law requiring it to be stored under lock and key?

People don't be so quick to give away your liberties in your desperation to do "something".  This responsibility you mention is that of the perpetrator.  Criminal laws should, in my view, be restricted to criminal ACTS, that is, as we are talking here, in the actual shooting/murdering.  Anything else is slippery slope.

[Miss Silvera]

I'm speaking of the lesser of two evils.

Your statement about the keys, knives, chainsaw is laughable....

I could say the same about your motorcycle, the table leg, or your TV.....

Your, (and my),  liberties come at a price, and that cost has been compounded every year since our folks came to this country years ago....   

Those "liberties" come with the individual cost of RESPONSIBILITY............... 

The 2nd Admendment says nothing about chainsaws, or cars, or table legs....

[T Cro ®]

Those "liberties" come with the individual cost of RESPONSIBILITY...............

I've always kept my guns reasonably secured from accidental discovery until the day that my not quite 4YO Grand Daughter disappeared while at the house. The gun closest was the first place that I went check and thankfully she was not there. After that scare I got a moderately priced safe so that I know without a 2nd guess that my guns will not ever end up in unauthorized hands without the use of power tools or a big ass pry-bar....

[Miss Silvera]

I am wrong....


Not just an individual cost of responsibilty...but at a cost of EVERY gun owners responsibilty......

The bad part is....I can only insure my part of that and hope the rest do too....

[devilboy]

It has been said with great power comes great responsibility!!! Every person that has weapons should look at their  plan of action for gun storage and  possible use within their own home

I received an email from Ruger today. They have some letters ready to go. All you have to do is give them your address and they will send letters on your behalf to the elected officials from state representatives right up to the Oval Office.
Here is link to Ruger' s Page I do NOT believe it is an attempt to gather information BUT a legitimate offer to get your feelings known to all those people in a position of power.
Thanks everyone! Have a safe and awesome weekend!!

http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/

[jworth]

My statement about knives is laughable on what grounds?  I'm not picking a fight, but tell me how it is different in principal. 

We have this notion that somehow this nation is more dangerous than it once was.  Do the research. In fact it is NOT more dangerous than it has been in the past and I don't care if you go back 10 years of 100 years.  The only difference now is that every deranged psychopath makes front page headlines and is splashed in your face immediately and everywhere.  Yes liberty comes with a price.  The price shouldn't be limiting our liberty. That's circular logic and inconsistent at best.  The price of having liberty is accepting that at times people will abuse those liberties.  When they do, they should face the full consequences of having done so.  It is illogical that well behaved people have to curtail their own liberties in order to have liberties.  I know that sounds weird, but that is really what you're saying.

When you start making any law other than outlawing the criminal act itself, ie murder rather than say owning gun of a certain type, then you have opened a can of worms from which there is no coming back.  There becomes no clear line to where there is "just enough" gun control. or any other kind of control for that matter.

This is really the same argument as riding gear.  How much risk are you willing to take for your freedoms?  Are you willing to take the risk that some people out there will use their guns to do evil as the price for you owning a gun?  Are you willing to give up your gun at the risk that the government will never become overbearing and therefore require bloody revolution? 

These are not bazaar abstract principals. These are the very same principals that our founders argued over when they wrote our treasured second amendment.  We do them and ourselves a disservice if we do not consider the same.  You do ME a disservice when you laugh at my point rather than confront it with logic and sound argument.

[Miss Silvera]

My statement about knives is laughable on what grounds?  I'm not picking a fight, but tell me how it is different in principal. 

Yes liberty comes with a price.  The price shouldn't be limiting our liberty. That's circular logic and inconsistent at best.  The price of having liberty is accepting that at times people will abuse those liberties. 

Laughable because we don't normally keep keys, knives and chainsaws in safes...  that was my meaning....

That liberty comes at the cost of safe and secure storage of firearms....which is in most states required by law.  A simple action to take that could prevent even threads like this one....or of it's conception.

No fight here, (except for our rights), just good discussion!    

[booger]

Bolt your safes to the floor or studs!!  My safe wasn't quite as big, but it walked out of my house 7 years ago.  I replaced most of my guns, but I'll never be able to replace my family pictures and video tapes.  My safe is now bolted.

Yep, mine wasn't bolted either.  Stole the whole thing w/ 14 firearms, ammo and my Zeis binoculars.