Hard to fill gas tank-

[stlheadake]

The attendants tell me that the rubber boot has to completely cover the hole for recovery of escaping fumes, or the pump will not work, and the cap does not go back far enough to accomodate the rubber boot. I have tried holding the rubber thing back too and this works only at Valero stations, of which there are very few where I am running it seems. This turns out to be my only gripe with the bike, but it's a major pisser to me.

We have the silly things here in St. Louis, Missouri too.  I've encountered them in various forms all over the country, INCLUDING a great deal of California.  However, I have NEVER had one fail to let me gas up by pulling the cuff all the way back.  You DO need to pull it back evenly.  You can't have one side up and the other not, or it will 'think' it isn't in properly. 

As for the various contraptions, I guess they work.  I wouldn't have a handy place to store them, and getting off my bike when filling is just a pisser!  I want to get in, fill up, and get out!  Fumbling with gadgets just slows me down.  Give it a try, just make sure you pull that cuff back evenly, and all the way back.  You'll get your reward, I promise!

It ain't the bike!  There's too many of us NOT having that problem! 

[maxtog]

I have only ever seen these vapour recovery hoods in California.

I have actually seen them in eastern Virginia too.  But pretty rare.  When I first encountered one I was like, "what the hell is this??"

[BlkBird]

I have actually seen them in eastern Virginia too.  But pretty rare.  When I first encountered one I was like, "what the hell is this??"

They're all over NJ too.  Like some others I have never failed to fuel up even with these pumps, simply pull the cuff back far enough and it works like a charm... of course your hand then smells like gasoline for a couple hours but then the only other option is to glove up with nitrile gloves before fueling to resolve this.

[VirginiaJim]

I have actually seen them in eastern Virginia too.  But pretty rare.  When I first encountered one I was like, "what the hell is this??"

Don't get out much, do you?

[CrashGordon]

We have them here in the Dallas area, but they must be a little different because the hood doesn't have to be retracted in order for it to fuel. I've never had an issue fueling my bike.

And you can blame Pelosi or whoever you want for these nozzles, but they return vaporized fuel to the station's tank to recondense and be resold. Stations are basically getting free fuel that, in the long run more than pays for the nozzle. Do you really think they need legislation to get on board with that?

[chi-gpz1100]

Just be glad these new fuel tanks no longer have leaky petcocks!! 

[wally_games]

We have them here in the Dallas area, but they must be a little different because the hood doesn't have to be retracted in order for it to fuel. I've never had an issue fueling my bike.

And you can blame Pelosi or whoever you want for these nozzles, but they return vaporized fuel to the station's tank to recondense and be resold. Stations are basically getting free fuel that, in the long run more than pays for the nozzle. Do you really think they need legislation to get on board with that?

I'm just guessing, but I bet that the vapor that escapes while I fill up my 5 gallon tank isn't enough to produce one full drop of fuel.

[VirginiaJim]

Yeah, but if you add everyone up, it's probably a quantifiable amount.  Just one of those things we need to deal with these days.  We have vapor recovery in Fredericksburg but it's just the bellows thingy and doesn't cause any fill up issues with bikes.  I guess there are different types depending on the locality and how tough they are on vapor recovery.

[gPink]

Yeah, but if you add everyone up, it's probably a quantifiable amount.  Just one of those things we need to deal with these days.  We have vapor recovery in Fredericksburg but it's just the bellows thingy and doesn't cause any fill up issues with bikes.  I guess there are different types depending on the locality and how tough they are on vapor recovery.

The only vapor recovery I've seen in southern Ill-inois is the meth and crack smokers.

[MrPepsi]

Good news fellow riders...
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/10/politics/epa-gas-pump-handles/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
EPA to remove vapor-capturing rubber boot from gas pump handles

[maxtog]

Good news fellow riders...
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/10/politics/epa-gas-pump-handles/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
EPA to remove vapor-capturing rubber boot from gas pump handles

Thanks for the info!  Good post

[OregonJim]

Yayyyyyy! Gotta wonder tho, if some states (Or, Ca) might decide to keep them

[CrashGordon]

Or if the stations might choose to keep them since the expense of installing the nozzles has already been paid.

[connie14boy]

This is a picture of the offending gas nozzle that won't work on my bike. The attendant says this is a new style that was installed in Feb. at his station. In order for the pump to start, the boot has to be touching the top rim of the tank to catch the fumes, and the way my tank and filler cap is constructed, that ain't gonna happen. There is no foreskin or bellows to pull back, and the guy says he has bikers cursing at him all the time. This type nozzle is found at some Shell and Mobil stations all over the state, but mostly in and around Los Angeles. The 76 , Valero and Chevron stations are all trouble free for me.

[Rhino]

Good news fellow riders...
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/10/politics/epa-gas-pump-handles/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
EPA to remove vapor-capturing rubber boot from gas pump handles

This is confusing. This implies that it is a federal EPA thing. But most states, like my home state of CO have never had these silly vapor recovery nozzles. I always thought it was just CA and OR.

[Rhino]

This is a picture of the offending gas nozzle that won't work on my bike. The attendant says this is a new style that was installed in Feb. at his station. In order for the pump to start, the boot has to be touching the top rim of the tank to catch the fumes, and the way my tank and filler cap is constructed, that ain't gonna happen. There is no foreskin or bellows to pull back, and the guy says he has bikers cursing at him all the time. This type nozzle is found at some Shell and Mobil stations all over the state, but mostly in and around Los Angeles. The 76 , Valero and Chevron stations are all trouble free for me.

That does look very different then the ones I have encountered.

[Conrad]

This is a picture of the offending gas nozzle that won't work on my bike. The attendant says this is a new style that was installed in Feb. at his station. In order for the pump to start, the boot has to be touching the top rim of the tank to catch the fumes, and the way my tank and filler cap is constructed, that ain't gonna happen. There is no foreskin or bellows to pull back, and the guy says he has bikers cursing at him all the time. This type nozzle is found at some Shell and Mobil stations all over the state, but mostly in and around Los Angeles. The 76 , Valero and Chevron stations are all trouble free for me.

I can see how that would be problematic. How exactly do these things recover the vapor? Is there someplace for the vapor to go or is it simply covering up the gashole?