Brian said "Those are getting close" and asked if they were my first set-coming from a guy who just completed a C C in 47hrs52 minutes, stunk worse then the seagulls, and just a little road weary, I paid attention! At speads under 20 and light pressure I could hear the brakes and had an almost rough drag feel, pads only have abou 1500 miles on them and the rotors are quite worn, I havent measured them, but there is a fair amount of material gone. I'll post up pics once I have them off, I may even weigh the old and the new just fer grins and giggles.