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Offline Cold Streak

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Re: 2016 C14
« Reply #100 on: August 20, 2015, 02:29:08 PM »
Interesting and creative but not really accurate.  The amount of torque being produced at that speed is all that really matters.  Usually more displacement means more torque which then delivers more power.  The amount of explosions just means a smoother power cycle but not more or better power.

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Re: 2016 C14
« Reply #101 on: August 20, 2015, 02:34:34 PM »
while it's true that both the GW and the K16 are geared just slightly taller (8% and 1,5% respectively), there's a catch: they are both 35% bigger (in cc) than the C14's engine and 6-cyl engines, meaning even if they did the same rpm at a given speed, they still have 50% more strokes/explosions, so they could turn at 33% less revs to match the amount of explosions on the C14. It means that proportionally the C14 engine is actually turning VERY slow in top gear.

I'm not sure the number of strokes/explosions means much if the cylinder sizes are all different, however another way to measure it (more proportional) is to factor in the total displacement. This does change the rankings. I'll admit that I might have screwed this up. I determined the distance traveled per rev. in feet, and then divided the displacement by that to get the number of cc needed to go one foot. (at least that's what I think I did)

@ 65 mph actual not indicated        Tallest gear rank       disp.cc/ft. per rev   cc per ft. traveled   Proportional Rank
C14        3166 RPM        ('10)                3                       1352/1.8066  =       748.3                           1
FJR         3476 RPM        ('10)                4                       1298/1.6455  =       788.8                           2
GW         2930 RPM        ('12)                1                      1832/ 1.9522  =       938.4                           4
K1600     3120 RPM        ('11)                2                      1649/ 1.8333  =       899.4                           3




 My original issue however, was with the the earlier post which used the word "period" not "proportional", and I thought that made quite a bit of difference. However thinking proportionally that would work with the "longer legs" term used and I can see that now.
Well done Martin, your next task is to show me some references or logic that would explain an 18 mph difference in actual speed between a FJR and a C14 @ 4000rpm.

..but I'll settle for the 2016 C14 (C15, C16) color scheme and a list of any other changes. (just to stay on topic)

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Re: 2016 C14
« Reply #102 on: August 20, 2015, 02:55:41 PM »
I'm not sure the number of strokes/explosions means much if the cylinder sizes are all different, however another way to measure it (more proportional) is to factor in the total displacement. This does change the rankings. I'll admit that I might have screwed this up. I determined the distance traveled per rev. in feet, and then divided the displacement by that to get the number of cc needed to go one foot. (at least that's what I think I did)

@ 65 mph actual not indicated        Tallest gear rank       disp.cc/ft. per rev   cc per ft. traveled   Proportional Rank
C14        3166 RPM        ('10)                3                       1352/1.8066  =       748.3                           1
FJR         3476 RPM        ('10)                4                       1298/1.6455  =       788.8                           2
GW         2930 RPM        ('12)                1                      1832/ 1.9522  =       938.4                           4
K1600     3120 RPM        ('11)                2                      1649/ 1.8333  =       899.4                           3




 My original issue however, was with the the earlier post which used the word "period" not "proportional", and I thought that made quite a bit of difference. However thinking proportionally that would work with the "longer legs" term used and I can see that now.
Well done Martin, your next task is to show me some references or logic that would explain an 18 mph difference in actual speed between a FJR and a C14 @ 4000rpm.

..but I'll settle for the 2016 C14 (C15, C16) color scheme and a list of any other changes. (just to stay on topic)
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Re: 2016 C14
« Reply #103 on: August 20, 2015, 02:59:24 PM »
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Re: 2016 C14
« Reply #104 on: August 20, 2015, 03:58:28 PM »
Interesting and creative but not really accurate.  The amount of torque being produced at that speed is all that really matters.  Usually more displacement means more torque which then delivers more power.  The amount of explosions just means a smoother power cycle but not more or better power.

As you mentioned, it is still meaningful when talking about the main reason for tall gears- smoothness (less vibration, less turning, less noise).  I suspect the second most important reason would be efficiency (fuel mostly), but I think that won't be a meaningful absolute comparison.

I don't think anyone on this thread was thinking about the amount of "power" in the tall gears.  Well, at least I wasn't :)
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Re: 2016 C14
« Reply #105 on: August 20, 2015, 05:44:40 PM »
I broke into the sixes! :o

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