I've obviously struck a chord so I'll bow out and leave it alone, but that's my point. We all here, well, all the people I've ever met and dealt with here are all above the antics that Fred did. I just felt that from the comments we were stooping to his level, and for what? I was asking, are we like him by our comments? I know we aren't, but the question hit me and I posed it here. Sorry if I upset anyone, I knew it would be unpopular, but that never stopped me, ask a few who know me. gpink, we're good, never asked you for an apology, not needed my friend. I feel no guilt or remorse either, we are more alike than you think.