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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2013, 09:46:18 PM »
All I ask of my Angles is that they grip the road and stay together, and these grip well.
How long they last is entirely up to my right wrist.
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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2013, 05:00:51 PM »
Going to need tires soon and found a Pirelli Angel GT & a Pirelli Angel GT A-spec.  Which one of those  tires would be best used on a C-14?

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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2013, 05:39:17 AM »
:thumbs:   Doing your bit to help the world economy, eh Martin?

It was a good year. That trip to the British Isles alone accounted for 4500 miles. Then Sicily (Italy) another 3000 miles, then Croatia, Slovenia and a million times in the Alps. Since I don't smoke nor drink, I can let the bike do that to tyres and fuel  ;D

I guess you know how much it aches having to stop riding for the stupid winter. The calendar seems to go backwards while thinking of 1st of March, when the registration and insurance are valid again...

Regarding the tyres, they were presented in the Basque Country in September last year on the new Ducati Multistrada, but they're still unlisted neither in Pirelli Germany nor in Italy...

Meanwhile, I found a nice picture of the new GTs so they can be compared to the STs...

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The end of the longest grooves on the rear tyre do not resemble a devil's tale anymore, but they are wider, while the front grooves are not closed left to right, and are longer. Pirelli says that they offer 15% more mileage. I can't wait to try that statement.
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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2013, 11:15:35 AM »
15% doesn't seem like much.

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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2013, 11:50:34 PM »
- single or dual compound for the new tyre ?

- and the tread pattern hasn't really changed at all.

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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2013, 02:41:55 AM »
15% doesn't seem like much.
agreed, but it all depends on the situation. For me it means changing the tyres less often (already a big plus in itself), or managing to complete a tour without having to change a tyre on the go, as I had to do last year in Edinburgh. I was some 1000 miles from home and running on the cords. That is exactly that extra bit of mileage. I get between 5000 and 7000 miles out of my rears.


- single or dual compound for the new tyre ?

- and the tread pattern hasn't really changed at all.

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according to the guy at Pirelli, dual compound. Harder in the middle compared with the ST (hence longer life) and softer on the sides (more grip). The thread pattern changes are indeed small, but in my experience they have a big influence. When the groove gets increasingly wider towards the border of the tyre (as in the GT), it also increases slip angle, making the tire a bit more progressive and, for the less experienced rider, a bit more predictable when approaching the limit.
Slick tyres do offer more grip on the dry when leaning, but they grip, more lean, grip, more lean, gone.
Grooves also give water an escape route from under the contact patch when it's wet.

One thing I noticed while looking at the GT on the Pirelli stand, is that it seems to have a more rounded profile, not as "pointy" as the ST. I like how the C14 falls into the curve while on the ST, much nicer and easier than on the OEM Bridgestones, which made the bike rather reluctant to turn in. However, this "pointy-ness" also means that the counter force that has to be exerted on the handlebar (pushing on the grip on the inside of the curve) to hold a line on a constant radius curve is higher. Maybe the new profile addresses this (?)
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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2013, 03:57:41 AM »
One thing I noticed while looking at the GT on the Pirelli stand, is that it seems to have a more rounded profile, not as "pointy" as the ST. I like how the C14 falls into the curve while on the ST, much nicer and easier than on the OEM Bridgestones, which made the bike rather reluctant to turn in. However, this "pointy-ness" also means that the counter force that has to be exerted on the handlebar (pushing on the grip on the inside of the curve) to hold a line on a constant radius curve is higher. Maybe the new profile addresses this (?)

- yeah ! the way the STs "fall into" a corner is amazing compared to the OEM B'stones.

- I remember when the STs just went onto the bike , was amazed at how much easier it was to get her onto the center stand - it was a taller tyre for sure.

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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2013, 11:00:32 PM »
Going to need tires soon and found a Pirelli Angel GT & a Pirelli Angel GT A-spec.  Which one of those  tires would be best used on a C-14?

I found Pirelli's recomendation.
KAWASAKI YEAR IP CODE FRONT IP CODE REAR MIN/MAX PSI (F) MIN/MAX PSI (R)
Concours 14 09-013 2387600 120/70ZR17 (58W) TL Angel GT 2321300 190/50ZR17 (73W) TL Angel GT A Spec 32/42 36/42

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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2013, 09:24:21 AM »
I found Pirelli's recomendation.
KAWASAKI YEAR IP CODE FRONT IP CODE REAR MIN/MAX PSI (F) MIN/MAX PSI (R)
Concours 14 09-013 2387600 120/70ZR17 (58W) TL Angel GT 2321300 190/50ZR17 (73W) TL Angel GT A Spec 32/42 36/42

So this means the regular Angel GT on the front and the A Spec on the rear?

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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2013, 10:53:00 AM »
So this means the regular Angel GT on the front and the A Spec on the rear?

That's how I read it.

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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2013, 05:58:04 PM »
So this means the regular Angel GT on the front and the A Spec on the rear?

Did a search and found one person who used both regular and E-spec (older Angel tire). In a nutshell he said the E-spec did not handle as well. So I'm still up in the air as to which one to use on my bike.

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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2013, 09:25:37 AM »
So this means the regular Angel GT on the front and the A Spec on the rear?

I still don't see the GT, but with the ST it was always the "regular" on the rear and the A spec on the front... at least in Germany according to the know-it-all über-polizei in the TÜV.
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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2013, 08:04:37 PM »
Anybody currently using the GT ?

Impressions? 

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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2013, 08:11:13 PM »
Dave,

This isn't what you asked, but a bunch of us on the BMW boards are head over heels in love with the Dunlop Roadsmart 2, and the Michelin Pilot Road 3.

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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2013, 09:45:35 PM »
Michelins competitiors ALWAYS being force to step it up. And if they do make a tire Michelin thinks comes close...... the PR4 will be out shortly
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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2013, 06:25:57 AM »
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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
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Re: new Pirelli Angel GT
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2013, 09:34:24 AM »
I think this is a case of Italians sticking together.

Haha!  I think you're right. 

If Ducati put Shinko tires on the new Multistrada, ......well, that would suggest some kind of Chi-com/Italian conspiracy. 

In any event, I'm using the Angel ST version on my C14, SV1000, and Ninja 1000 with excellent results.   A very confidence inspiring tire. 

It's just that I like to hammer the throttle as well as do wheelies on all three, so my center tread goes way too fast.  A longer wearing middle rubber compound would be just the ticket for me.  Hence, my interest in the GT version of the Angels. 

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