Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: rtarp1 on April 16, 2012, 06:30:14 PM
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went riding today anf shifted into 6th at 35 mph . that engine is lugging and i dont give a crap what the manual says.
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um...., what?
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;D ;D
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manual says you can shift into 6th at 34 mph.. good luck with that.
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manual says you can shift into 6th at 34 mph.. good luck with that.
I'll have to look at that. I never use it below 65. :o
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me either but there is some guy on here who shifts right into 6th at 35 mph routinely .. engine lugging
=damage.
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went riding today anf shifted into 6th at 35 mph . that engine is lugging and i dont give a crap what the manual says.
Of course it is lugging. The manual is total crappola on that stupid chart. 6th gear is for something like 60+ MPH cruising.
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35 mph and holding a steady speed, the engine is not lugging in 6th. Crank the throttle open and try to blast off, the engine is lugging. But it is perfectly happy at a steady 35 mph. I don't ride it that way, at 35 I'm in 3rd or 4th. Hell, if no cops are watching, I'm still in 1st when I hit 35!
Matt
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If you are going downhill and essentially coasting you can do it without harming the engine... I've never gone that slow, though.
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The manual for cars with standards is quite similar. Crazy low speeds for shifting up that will probably maximize economy but will hardly get you anywhere. I never use the manual's "guidelines" for shift points. I shift up between 4-5k on average, and into 6th at 70.
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I guess I'm guilty, rode the Hood Canal this Sunday with SWMBO, awesome sunny day, not much traffic, just cruising and sight seeing, nice and mellow. Several small communities with 35 MPH limits, rolled through nice and gentle in 6th. Is my bike toast? I reckon I have'nt learned to ride it after 52,000 miles. I wonder, is banging it off of the limiter in 4th worse then idling in 6th?
:popcorn: ;)
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I guess I'm guilty, rode the Hood Canal this Sunday with SWMBO, awesome sunny day, not much traffic, just cruising and sight seeing, nice and mellow. Several small communities with 35 MPH limits, rolled through nice and gentle in 6th. Is my bike toast? I reckon I have'nt learned to ride it after 52,000 miles. I wonder, is banging it off of the limiter in 4th worse then idling in 6th?
:popcorn: ;)
Maybe, but it sure is a lot more fun :D
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;D ;D :goodpost:
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No control at that speed in 6th. You would have to shift down about 4 gears to get out of trouble by twisting the throttle. By then, it would be too late!
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No control at that speed in 6th. You would have to shift down about 4 gears to get out of trouble by twisting the throttle. By then, it would be too late!
I reckon I'm one lucky son of a gun ;)
FWIW, I am as docile a rider as ever hit the roads when I am with my wife and I have as much fun, just a differant kind of fun. I bet I ride as aggressively as most anyone round these forums, but I tend to do it either in the mountains with low/no traffic or on the track (twice a year). I don't "Just ride in a parking lot" as an instructor, I do the Advanced Street Skills and dirt/ADV training as well. I think it just kinda gets under my skin when an internet pro tells me/us that something can't be done when I know for a fact it can be. We are usually held back by what we think we see/feel over what is possible. Simple example, can a rider drag a knee on a stock KLR 650 on DOT full blown knobbies? The answer is yes. Sometimes what we say on the forum doesn't read like we meant, so no harm no foul. We all have opinions and our own experiences, lets share em, but keep the belittling where it belongs (Arena). Lets get back to having some good natured fun, we keep running with scissors, well, you see how Pokey turned out ;D
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for smooth riding, I use about 4k rpm for up shift, 2k for down shift. Yes, you can shift whenever you want, it just doesn't feel good.
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is that your argument pappy, "its better than bouncing off the rev limiter"? You put unnecesary stress on the drivetrain because your only other choice is to bounce off of the rev limiter? bad logic and what is known as a false choice. its a tactic people use when they have no argument.
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for smooth riding, I use about 4k rpm for up shift, 2k for down shift. Yes, you can shift whenever you want, it just doesn't feel good.
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^
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is that your argument pappy, "its better than bouncing off the rev limiter"? You put unnecesary stress on the drivetrain because your only other choice is to bounce off of the rev limiter? bad logic and what is known as a false choice. its a tactic people use when they have no argument.
So where is your stress for the drive-train coming into play, I have found that this bike could care less what gear you are in? How about you just ride however you feel fit, and let everybody else do the same. I have yet to hear of a "true" drive-train issue from anybody other than a few clunky final drives.
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put into 6th at 35 and you will feel the stress. have you ever rideen a bicycle and put it into its highest gear while going slow and then tried to pedal? You have to work really really hard to move , well the engine is working really hard to move the bike .. same concept.
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is that your argument pappy, "its better than bouncing off the rev limiter"? You put unnecesary stress on the drivetrain because your only other choice is to bounce off of the rev limiter? bad logic and what is known as a false choice. its a tactic people use when they have no argument.
OK. What places MORE STRESS on the motor/drivetrain, a bike at idle or a bike WFO? Think about it for just a moment. If you need any help feel free to look at a dyno chart, should help you figure it out.
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your not understanding the point pappy. who cares about a bike at idle or WOT. its not what we are talking about . i can see why your having trouble with the lugging concept now. At 35 MPh you really shouldnt go above 4th gear. 5th and definitely 6th at that slow speed stresses the motor. Simple concept.
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Still eagerly awaiting the proof of engine/transmission damage from lugging. :feedback:
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Threads such as these are indisputable proof KiPass protects our bikes and theirs not much to complain about (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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your not understanding the point pappy. who cares about a bike at idle or WOT. its not what we are talking about . i can see why your having trouble with the lugging concept now. At 35 MPh you really shouldnt go above 4th gear. 5th and definitely 6th at that slow speed stresses the motor. Simple concept.
So, you are claiming it is MORE stress at idle in 6th then it is at say 10500 in fourth? Simple question, you are sitting at a red light, it turns green, how much stress is being placed on the drive train as you start moving?
You do realize you are on a forum with seasoned riders, right? Me thinks your tactics may work on a Ninja250 forum, but they have a hard time passing muster here.
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Shall we say that there are various riding styles and opinions on the forum? Some of us would ride well together, but not others. Personally, I don't ride around at 34mph in 6th very often, but regularly do 40mph in 6th and the bike has no problem with it. I don't think most of us care how the rest of us ride for the most part. For instance, I don't care if you never shift into 6th before 65mph. I may think that you're doing it "wrong", but I can't see how it harms me.
As to the 10,500rpm in 4th: There seems to be some anecdotal evidence that the tachs on C14's register high, and that the cutoff is actually closer to 10k rpm. So maybe you aren't stressing the bike as much as you think. :)
My bike does seem to like cooler weather. A few nights ago it pulled the front wheel on partial throttle as it hit mid-range in first. So maybe all the slow 6th gear riding is good for it. :)
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Well heck.....there's a six gear on these mutha's? Who'd a thunk??
Mike
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I posted all the engine lugging info on the last thread, if you missed it too bad. i dont care if you shift into 6th at 10 mph. have fun. Go ask a seasoned mechanic at kawasaki , i'm going to do that tomorrow.
yes pappy i didnt ans your question. you dont understand what this concept correctly and im not going to try to explain it to you anymore. you win go ride have fun .
If your trying to say you just let the engine idle in 6th gear to maintain speed , no your probably not hurting anything . just remember to downshit 2 gears to pick up speed or go up a hill. honestly i cant understand why you would want to do this but wateva.
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Good luck finding a seasoned Kawasaki mechanic!!!! :rotflmao: Funny how you are the only person that this seems to bother, I can assure you that few if any gives a rats arse. You seem rather irritated and bothered in many of your posts, do you need an intervention?
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yes i think i do need an intervention , come to long island ny and give me one . :)
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Good luck finding a seasoned Kawasaki mechanic!!!! :rotflmao: Funny how you are the only person that this seems to bother, I can assure you that few if any gives a rats arse. You seem rather irritated and bothered in many of your posts, do you need an intervention?
You noticed that as well, eh?
Drink beer and mellow out, that's my stand. Also, riding more helps as well.
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yes i think i do need an intervention , come to long island ny and give me one . :)
My interventions can get very expensive! ;)
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me either but there is some guy on here who shifts right into 6th at 35 mph routinely .. engine lugging
=damage.
No doubt you are referring to me, and you took my comments way out of context. If it was not me I apologize for taking it that way, but I feel pretty certain you are referring to my post in another thread.
First, I don't due it routinely because I very seldom cruise at anywhere near 35. Second, I know when and engine is lugging and when it isn't. I would not shift to 6th at that speed going up an incline for instance. But I live where it is extremely flat. There was a post earlier using an example of trying to pedal a bicycle in too high of a gear. That is actually a very good point. But try that going up hill, then try it on a perfectly flat road, then try it going down hill - all in the same gear and at the same speed. You will see that what might be "lugging" in some conditions is not lugging in others.
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Jim, don't go off being rational. Trying to explain experience and a sensitive throttle hand to someone who doesn't get it is a waste of time.
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whats the purpose of being in 6th at 35? makes no sense. i did it on a flat road and easy on the throttle and the engine did not like it at all. maybe the engine speaks to me a little more clearly than it does you.
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whats the purpose of being in 6th at 35? makes no sense. i did it on a flat road and easy on the throttle and the engine did not like it at all. maybe the engine speaks to me a little more clearly than it does you.
It's your thread, but you are repeating yourself. We all know that you don't understand it / that it doesn't make sense to you. Ride how you want. Since you haven't listened to anything posted in this thread, I decline your invitation to try to explain it again. Have a nice day.
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This isn't a witty response. Because I can, when I'm with the misses I am in no way performance oriented and very fuel conscious. Between the exhaust mods, auto tune, an ZX TBs she breathes like a 1352 should, I promise you I am not doing anything that will hurt the powertrain or engine that arrives from my riding style 2 up. I am more likely to damage something power shifting 1-5 WFO and rapid hard core downshifts. Like I said, 52000 miles I have racked up on this bike, riding in every manner thinkable. Ask Jay if she seemed anemic leaving Puyallup this last weekend ;D
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This isn't a witty response. Because I can, when I'm with the misses I am in no way performance oriented and very fuel conscious. Between the exhaust mods, auto tune, an ZX TBs she breathes like a 1352 should, I promise you I am not doing anything that will hurt the powertrain or engine that arrives from my riding style 2 up. I am more likely to damage something power shifting 1-5 WFO and rapid hard core downshifts. Like I said, 52000 miles I have racked up on this bike, riding in every manner thinkable. Ask Jay if she seemed anemic leaving Puyallup this last weekend ;D
Indeed! She does get it on! :o
Especially when the local guy takes us the wrong way on the on ramp and then tries to make up for it by blasting 100+ to make up ground... ;) ;D
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Which ramp was more fun? ;D
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Which ramp was more fun? ;D
True... :thumbs: :chugbeer:
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whats the purpose of being in 6th at 35? makes no sense. i did it on a flat road and easy on the throttle and the engine did not like it at all. maybe the engine speaks to me a little more clearly than it does you.
don't you just love those threads when people shine with their true colors? :grouphug:
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No.