Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Rawman on May 19, 2011, 02:32:58 PM
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What was the brand of oil filter available at Wal-Mart? I think it was blue in color and came in 2 different lengths.
Of course this was lost in the site change.....
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The only blue filter that I know of at WalMart is the Purolator.
I use a Wix 51356 (long version)
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I use the wix 51356 as well
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I used to use a Super Tech (I think) brand filter from Walmart on my FZ1. I'll be watching this thread for a part# since I'll be doing my 600 mile service soon. . .
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Wix 51356 is the same as a
Purolator PL14610
Super Tech ST7317
Fram PH7317
Napa Gold 1356 (made by wix)
Google is so freakin awesome. ;)
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STP is blue, not sure Walmart sells those.
I use the Napa Gold #1356.
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bing it.
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Amazon has the K&N KN-303 for $10.72 and the Wix 51356 for $8.93, just sayin.
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The Supertech filters are $2.70 at our local Wal-Mart. It, and a jug of Rotella 15w/40w, will set you back about $15.00 total.
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I get my filters from my dealer, at a cost of $9.00 I think it's reasonable. I never could see using after market filters on a motorcycle. Especially the Fram. On the Gold Wing site there are guys spending way over $20,000 + for a bike and want to save a few dollars on a filter, I just don't get it. HDL sells the Gold Wing filters in a pack of 10 for about $8.25 delivered. I checked Amsoil filters and the number for the Wing and the concours is the same.
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Wix 51356 is the same as a
Purolator PL14610
Super Tech ST7317
Fram PH7317
Napa Gold 1356 (made by wix)
Google is so freakin awesome. ;)
google IS awesome JD, that is why they get 9.6 BILLION hits a day!
thanks for the info.
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I get my filters from my dealer, at a cost of $9.00 I think it's reasonable. I never could see using after market filters on a motorcycle. Especially the Fram. On the Gold Wing site there are guys spending way over $20,000 + for a bike and want to save a few dollars on a filter, I just don't get it. HDL sells the Gold Wing filters in a pack of 10 for about $8.25 delivered. I checked Amsoil filters and the number for the Wing and the concours is the same.
I'm with you on the OEM filter.
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K&N FTW 8)
6 pack from murphs, what a deal
***************they work great on our track bikes too and already have the hole for safety wire to pass tech (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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AC Delco makes blue filters, and Wal-Mart carries those. But I don't know if Delco makes a filter that fits our bikes. They usually cater to GM vehicles. I use a Wix filter myself. You can argue about different brands of oil all day long, but seldom has anyone produced any evidence that low dollar oil destroyed an engine. However, cheap oil filters have destroyed engines. I worked at a parts house years ago, and we supplied a new engine to a customer who's original engine failed thanks to a faulty seal on his Fram oil filter. Fram bought the engine and paid for the installation, but the customer had to do all the leg work, as well as find alternate transportation while he waited on the warranty to go through.
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The Supertech filters are $2.70 at our local Wal-Mart. It, and a jug of Rotella 15w/40w, will set you back about $15.00 total.
Saving money is always nice but there's no way that I'm going to put a Wally World spec filter on my bike just to save a couple of bucks, I don't care who it's made by.
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To further muddy the water... I'm told (only the messenger here...) that it is possible that a filter that will fit, but it not spec'd for your particular application may be designed for diffrerent pressures.
Such as a car oil filter mentioned in this thread that FITS a motorcycle, was designed for very different oil pressures. Not sure that is/is not the case, but one more thing to consider.
YMMV,
Barry
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I use OE oil filters on all of my vehicles. I think thats one area not worth saving a couple of bucks on.
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I've been using HiFloFiltro filters for a while on previous bikes and probably will continue to use them (HF303 for the concours).
I agree with the others that this is one area not to go cheap (and really to save $5?). I know this is comparing apples to oranges, but my car uses a cartridge type filter and I used a FRAM in it once and when I pulled it out at the next change it was all squished and the paper was coming apart. I have to imagine the same cheap material goes in their other filters. Never again just to save a buck or two.
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To further muddy the water... I'm told (only the messenger here...) that it is possible that a filter that will fit, but it not spec'd for your particular application may be designed for diffrerent pressures.
Such as a car oil filter mentioned in this thread that FITS a motorcycle, was designed for very different oil pressures. Not sure that is/is not the case, but one more thing to consider.
YMMV,
Barry
Its ok to muddy it up, but several of my Zx14 friends have over 100,000 HARD miles on their bikes and they've used Purolaters for the life of their bikes. Also i know some that have gover over 10,000 miles (1/4 at a time drag strip) at red line the whole life of the bike on Purolaters. I'm a fan of KnN but I can only cite the Purolaters for anything over 32,000K miles.
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I have an oem filter on now but have used the supertech on numerous bikes without issue.
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To further muddy the water... I'm told (only the messenger here...) that it is possible that a filter that will fit, but it not spec'd for your particular application may be designed for diffrerent pressures.
Such as a car oil filter mentioned in this thread that FITS a motorcycle, was designed for very different oil pressures. Not sure that is/is not the case, but one more thing to consider.
YMMV,
Barry
That's very true. Oil filters contain a bypass valve in case the filter reduces flow too much. The pressure at which the valve opens varies from filter to filter, so just because it looks like it will work doesn't mean that it is a good idea. Check the filter specs before you use it.
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Saving money is always nice but there's no way that I'm going to put a Wally World spec filter on my bike just to save a couple of bucks, I don't care who it's made by.
Guess who makes the OEM filter?????? I am sure it is no Kawasaki and I am sure they take bids on it......
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Wow that is surprising... My 09 concours uses the same st7317 oil filter as my 01 Nissan Frontier. I woulda never guessed. Since I paid for my first 3 years of service up front the Kawasaki shop uses oem filters.
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Saving money is always nice but there's no way that I'm going to put a Wally World spec filter on my bike just to save a couple of bucks, I don't care who it's made by.
Spend your money how you want; I'm not going to turn this into an oil/filter debate.
I change my oil every 1500 - 2000 miles anyways. I have more than one ride, so /shrug...
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Guess who makes the OEM filter?????? I am sure it is no Kawasaki and I am sure they take bids on it......
It's a Wix filter; same as Napa Gold, Suzuki, Mazda, Toyota and about a billion other OEM filters.
I believe Supertech filters are made by Champion Laboratories who also makes K&N, STP and a bunch of others.
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AC Delco makes blue filters, and Wal-Mart carries those. But I don't know if Delco makes a filter that fits our bikes. They usually cater to GM vehicles. I use a Wix filter myself. You can argue about different brands of oil all day long, but seldom has anyone produced any evidence that low dollar oil destroyed an engine. However, cheap oil filters have destroyed engines. I worked at a parts house years ago, and we supplied a new engine to a customer who's original engine failed thanks to a faulty seal on his Fram oil filter. Fram bought the engine and paid for the installation, but the customer had to do all the leg work, as well as find alternate transportation while he waited on the warranty to go through.
Uhhh . . . so you're quoting one instance you sorta know about from many years ago as proof that Fram filters are cheap? There's a few hundred million customers who would likely disagree, plus the OEMs who spec them.
NONE of the OEMs, bike or auto, make their own filters. It's all done by a few major manufacturers with multiple labels for the same product.
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Go to Bob Is The Oil Guy .com and read up on filters. One more piece of data.
YMMV,
Barry
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OEM for me, but I would also go with the K&N as well.
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Uhhh . . . so you're quoting one instance you sorta know about from many years ago as proof that Fram filters are cheap? There's a few hundred million customers who would likely disagree, plus the OEMs who spec them.
NONE of the OEMs, bike or auto, make their own filters. It's all done by a few major manufacturers with multiple labels for the same product.
I was there when he brought in his paper work and started the whole process. I was there when he picked up his new engine and turned in his core. It's not a story I heard from someone else. I could quote all the mechanics from local shops who refused to sell Fram oil filters to their walk-in customers or put them on any of the fleet vehicles they maintained. I could quote all the weekend racers who refused to put Fram oil filters on their engines. I could quote several of my walk-in customers who refused to put Fram oil filters on their vehicles. But they all had their own reasons for choosing other brands, none of which I can prove with anything I personally witnessed. The instance I quoted was an example I saw first hand. I'm not saying that your engine is sure to fail if you use Fram oil filters. I'm saying that I don't think Fram's quality is on the same level as some of the other brands available. For the vehicles I own, I will use OEM or Wix. Like I said before, a defective oil filter can cause significant damage to your engine, so I don't mind spending a few extra bucks on a better filter. But that's just me.
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I was there when he brought in his paper work and started the whole process. I was there when he picked up his new engine and turned in his core. It's not a story I heard from someone else. I could quote all the mechanics from local shops who refused to sell Fram oil filters to their walk-in customers or put them on any of the fleet vehicles they maintained. I could quote all the weekend racers who refused to put Fram oil filters on their engines. I could quote several of my walk-in customers who refused to put Fram oil filters on their vehicles. But they all had their own reasons for choosing other brands, none of which I can prove with anything I personally witnessed. The instance I quoted was an example I saw first hand. I'm not saying that your engine is sure to fail if you use Fram oil filters. I'm saying that I don't think Fram's quality is on the same level as some of the other brands available. For the vehicles I own, I will use OEM or Wix. Like I said before, a defective oil filter can cause significant damage to your engine, so I don't mind spending a few extra bucks on a better filter. But that's just me.
Well quoting people who won't use something because they "heard" they were bad isn't proof of anything except the power of gossip. I can probably find you just as many who can quote how they've used Fram for a lifetime and never a problem. Probably more.
I think the instance you're talking about is a case of one defective product and Fram chose to fix the problem. Stuff happens, even with today's more rigid quality control. But you only saw the customer's side of things and his perhaps biased version, not the whole story.
I don't work for Fram or really care if the company lives or dies. But your anecdotal explanation of why Fram is a bad product simply isn't supported by actual facts.
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Well quoting people who won't use something because they "heard" they were bad isn't proof of anything except the power of gossip. I can probably find you just as many who can quote how they've used Fram for a lifetime and never a problem. Probably more.
And that's why I didn't quote them.
I think the instance you're talking about is a case of one defective product and Fram chose to fix the problem. Stuff happens, even with today's more rigid quality control. But you only saw the customer's side of things and his perhaps biased version, not the whole story.
There was no bias to it. His engine failed, and it was a pain in the ass for him to deal with. I think it's great that Fram took care of it, but it was still a giant inconvenience.
I don't work for Fram or really care if the company lives or dies. But your anecdotal explanation of why Fram is a bad product simply isn't supported by actual facts.
The whole point of my initial reply was that I personally think it's worth it to spend the extra money on an oil filter because it can potentially damage your engine should it fail in some way, shape, or form. But that's just my opinion. Other folks can do as they like with their engines. I'm not here to change anyone's mind. Just put my .02 in on the thread. Oh s#$@....I have to go. I just spotted my neighbor carrying a Fram oil filter with his jug of oil....gotta stop him from making a tragic mistake! lol
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Guess who makes the OEM filter?????? I am sure it is no Kawasaki and I am sure they take bids on it......
It's a Wix filter; same as Napa Gold, Suzuki, Mazda, Toyota and about a billion other OEM filters.
I believe Supertech filters are made by Champion Laboratories who also makes K&N, STP and a bunch of others.
I dunno, either one of you remove the OEM filter and examine it?
I have never seen a Comercially available filter quite the same as this one internally...
I suggest you do an oil change, and look, maybe even cut the filter open with a can opener...
then come back and spout off about who you "think' makes this filter ;)
The OEM looks extremely good, in my opinion, and I've disected one....
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my vote is stick with OEM filters...if you search the net for oil filter construction you will find that aftermarket filters are poorly constructed compared to what the OEM's require on their filters...even though a lot of OEM filters are manufactured by FRAM they are constructed a lot better than the FRAM filters sold at auto parts stores.
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I dunno, either one of you remove the OEM filter and examine it?
I have never seen a Comercially available filter quite the same as this one internally...
I suggest you do an oil change, and look, maybe even cut the filter open with a can opener...
then come back and spout off about who you "think' makes this filter ;)
The OEM looks extremely good, in my opinion, and I've disected one....
Well, the information I found on the Internet, suggests that Kawasaki oil filters use a proprietary cellulose material, but they are still manufactured by Wix. However, the information could be wrong...
Personally, I don't care for the design. I'm sure Kawasaki has their reasons, but their filters have absolutely no bypass/relief valve. In the event that the media clogs up, it will completely restrict the flow of oil through the bike. IMHO, I would rather have dirty oil flowing through the bike than none. Then again, if you change your oil and filter every ~3000 miles/3 months, you shouldn't have any problems.
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Personally, I don't care for the design. I'm sure Kawasaki has their reasons, but their filters have absolutely no bypass/relief valve. In the event that the media clogs up, it will completely restrict the flow of oil through the bike. IMHO, I would rather have dirty oil flowing through the bike than none. Then again, if you change your oil and filter every ~3000 miles/3 months, you shouldn't have any problems.
Seems strange that they wouldn't have a bypass/relief valve. Where did you find out that information? I can't believe any oil filter would not have that mechanism.
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Most people on this site are on point when it comes to routine maintenance. Especially oil. I would be really surprised to hear of a clogged oil filter. Honestly, I have no idea which filter is better. I use the OEM because that is what is called for. If I"m using the oil & filter that is spec'd for the engine it is less likely that I'd be faulted if for whatever reason if there is a oil related failure. I'm pretty sure Kawasaki knows more about the subject than I do so I'm going to do as I'm told.
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Seems strange that they wouldn't have a bypass/relief valve. Where did you find out that information? I can't believe any oil filter would not have that mechanism.
Cut one open. Not all filters are created the same.
Barry
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In looking through the manual, there is an oil relief bypass in one of the oil pipes. Not sure if this is the same thing or not.
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I dunno, either one of you remove the OEM filter and examine it?
I have never seen a Comercially available filter quite the same as this one internally...
I suggest you do an oil change, and look, maybe even cut the filter open with a can opener...
then come back and spout off about who you "think' makes this filter ;)
The OEM looks extremely good, in my opinion, and I've disected one....
A) I was not spouting off, I have cut open plenty of oil filters,
B) I made my statement based on two things, one there are very few actual oil filter manufactures, therefore many of the oil filters made are made by the same companies.
Two, I have owned a motorcycle or two or three at the same time since I was 17 in 1975 without a break. My last two both Hondas went close to 100k before I let them go. During some of that time I used Honda OEM filters only. One day while buying one I told the Honda clerk there must be a mistake because the filTer he handed my was not the same as the one I was using. It was lighter and shorter. He informed me it was the new filter for my bike. That got me to thinking so I saved the old one and when I was done with the new one I cut them both open and they were very different. So the company who told me their filter was made for my bike and was the best one found something better, I bet not. They got a new supplier.
I did not say anything in my original post about what filter was better, just that Kawasaki does not make them. I do believe if you look long and hard enough you can find other filters with the same specs and quality. My Valk ran fine with ST filters for 50k, I changed when I found out they changed there design which I confirmed when cutting one open. Not sure how many miles I have ridden in the last 35 years, shoot I can't even remember how many actual bikes I have owned. I do know it is a ton of miles, 160k plus in just the last two bikes and I have never had an oil related problem, I believe it is because I change my oil and filter on time. I have used many different types of filters and stopped listening to companies like Kawasaki and Honda tell me I need to use their filter and oil only. Seems like a huge scam to me. I am no expert but I know what has worked for me and bikes for many years.
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The OEM looks extremely good, in my opinion, and I've disected one....
I agree (and have also dissected an OEM filter can). The OEM filter uses a "depth filtration" type of media, as opposed to a surface filtration (pleated paper). Very good design, IMHO.
I don't consider the OEM to be so outrageously priced that I'm looking for alternatives.
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A) I was not spouting off, I have cut open plenty of oil filters,
B) I made my statement based on two things, one there are very few actual oil filter manufactures, therefore many of the oil filters made are made by the same companies.
thanks...
I have this to say, as i did before...
A) cut open this exact filter....
B) tell us who, exactly who, makes it.....
C) please don't assume, surmise, etc., about it (who makes it...) and I have no interest in the Valk, ST, or any other long winded explanation.
This filter is quite unique in manufacture, I don't know who makes it, but in comparing it with all the top guns out there, I have NOT seen a similar one.
thanks again.
I would like to know, as would others....sorry to appear so mean, but that's all I have to say about that.
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You can find some pictures here:
http://www.greenhulk.net/forums/showthread.php?127512-Inside-of-the-Ultra-Oil-Filter (http://www.greenhulk.net/forums/showthread.php?127512-Inside-of-the-Ultra-Oil-Filter)
Notice the different sponge like media and the lack of bypass valve. It's not the "exact" same filter (different threads), but it's built the same.
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yep, that's what it looks like inside...and I see we are not the only forum with people saying WIX etc...
as mentioned there is a bypass internal in the engine in the oil path.
as with the old Conni, C10, there a bypass was in the stem bolt that went thru the oem and all replacement cartridges.
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thanks...
I have this to say, as i did before...
A) cut open this exact filter....
B) tell us who, exactly who, makes it.....
C) please don't assume, surmise, etc., about it (who makes it...) and I have no interest in the Valk, ST, or any other long winded explanation.
This filter is quite unique in manufacture, I don't know who makes it, but in comparing it with all the top guns out there, I have NOT seen a similar one.
thanks again.
I would like to know, as would others....sorry to appear so mean, but that's all I have to say about that.
No need to say your sorry, it does not matter to me what someone who I do not know says about what I think on a forum-it is just how it is in the internet age, no one speaks face to face anymore.
As for the filter, I have one sitting on the shelf in my garage and when I return from my summer trip I will put it on and cut it open when I am finished with it. I will post pictures when I do it.
When I leave central Florida next month for a 11,000 mile round trip to Alaska I will have a proven filter on my C14 and a spare in my bag, one I know will not let me down because I have used it for 100,000's of miles. I won't use something just because a company tells me it is the best, I like tried and tested.
Enjoy your bike, I know we can agree they are a lot of fun.
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I switch back and forth between the stock Kawi filter and the Purolator PL14610. They both seem to work well for me as I usually change the oil and filter at approx 2 k miles as I run non synthetic oil.
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Looks like it could possibly be a Denso oil filter, not a Wix. They have a manufacturing plant in Thailand and Japan.
These pictures are from a tractor, but the inside look similar.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/mahindra-owning-operating/184611-inside-denso-oil-filter.html (http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/mahindra-owning-operating/184611-inside-denso-oil-filter.html)
These are from a Mitsubishi filter made by Denso:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1537930&fpart=2 (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1537930&fpart=2)
Denso filters are pretty good, FYIY.
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Looks like it could possibly be a Denso oil filter, not a Wix. They have a manufacturing plant in Thailand and Japan.
Denso filters are pretty good, FYIY.
Picked up a oil filter from the dealer last week and it is indeed a Denso, made in Japan.
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Looks like it could possibly be a Denso oil filter, not a Wix. They have a manufacturing plant in Thailand and Japan.
These pictures are from a tractor, but the inside look similar.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/mahindra-owning-operating/184611-inside-denso-oil-filter.html (http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/mahindra-owning-operating/184611-inside-denso-oil-filter.html)
These are from a Mitsubishi filter made by Denso:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1537930&fpart=2 (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1537930&fpart=2)
Denso filters are pretty good, FYIY.
thank you sir!!!
that is by all evidence, the exact same configuration, design of the innerds, and the seal retainer system, used on the oEM C14 filter....
I believe we now have a clear cut knowledge WHO DOES make that filter!!!
thanks again,
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My guess is if someone we trust (MURPH!) carried an OEM or OEM-like filter (MURPH!) a lot of us on this board would spend money on those items at that shop (MURPH!).... one stop shop, dealing with someone you trust (MURPH), knows our bike, etc.
I would.... I just bought 6 filters. Had Murph sold them, I'd have paid whatever he was asking, cause I like him.
Barry
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My guess is if someone we trust (MURPH!) carried an OEM or OEM-like filter (MURPH!) a lot of us on this board would spend money on those items at that shop (MURPH!).... one stop shop, dealing with someone you trust (MURPH), knows our bike, etc.
I would.... I just bought 6 filters. Had Murph sold them, I'd have paid whatever he was asking, cause I like him.
Barry
:thumbs:
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Regarding the story about the Fram filter and the destroyed engine, it was stated that the problem was the seal on the filter. I have seen a similar failure in a Wix filter. In this instance, it was caught quickly when the oil pressure light came on (this was on a car, not a bike). It was very easy to find the problem due to the oil spray that was evident around the filter. When the filter was removed, a flaw in the gasket was fairly evident. What this amounted to was not properly inspecting the gasket before installing the oil filter. Ever since that episode (happened to my dad on one of the cars he bought when he took it to have the oil changed), I have judiciously inspected my filter gaskets prior to installation. In fact, I will usually pull them out of the box and look at them before I buy them.
By the way, I've used Fram filters on all of my cars for over 25 years with nary a problem.
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The Supertech filters are $2.70 at our local Wal-Mart. It, and a jug of Rotella 15w/40w, will set you back about $15.00 total.
OK so I plan on changing my oil tonight....Rotella 15W40 and SuperTech filter...what model number is the filter (ST7317)?
Glad to hear other run Rotella and SuperTech filters. I have ran this combination on the last two bikes I have owned with no issues. Here again as long as you change your oil regularly I think you will be fine.
Ohh yeah one last quesiton...how many quarts do I need?
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forgot to add a couple of other questions....I am at about 9,000 so I was also going to change plugs and final gear case oil....what plugs is everyone using, and what final gear case oil?
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OK so I plan on changing my oil tonight....Rotella 15W40 and SuperTech filter...what model number is the filter (ST7317)?
Glad to hear other run Rotella and SuperTech filters. I have ran this combination on the last two bikes I have owned with no issues. Here again as long as you change your oil regularly I think you will be fine.
Ohh yeah one last quesiton...how many quarts do I need?
4.5 qts oil will do ya.
I don't know about everyone else but I'm using this for my bike's gear oil.
(http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Motorcycle-Accessories/Motorcycle-Lubricants/Mobil-1-Gear-Oil.jpg)
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When you find out how much trouble it is to change spark plugs and how long the plugs actually last you may decide to put the plug change off until you do your valve adjustment.
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When you find out how much trouble it is to change spark plugs and how long the plugs actually last you may decide to put the plug change off until you do your valve adjustment.
Very true!
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Wix 51356 is the same as a
[size=14pt.........Fram PH7317
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That's the same filter for the 2007 Nissan Exterra. I just bought one at Walmart.
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When you find out how much trouble it is to change spark plugs and how long the plugs actually last you may decide to put the plug change off until you do your valve adjustment.
uh oh :o
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No need to say your sorry, it does not matter to me what someone who I do not know says about what I think on a forum-it is just how it is in the internet age, no one speaks face to face anymore.
As for the filter, I have one sitting on the shelf in my garage and when I return from my summer trip I will put it on and cut it open when I am finished with it. I will post pictures when I do it.
When I leave central Florida next month for a 11,000 mile round trip to Alaska I will have a proven filter on my C14 and a spare in my bag, one I know will not let me down because I have used it for 100,000's of miles. I won't use something just because a company tells me it is the best, I like tried and tested.
Enjoy your bike, I know we can agree they are a lot of fun.
sooooooo we have not heard back from this poster, nor had his pictures posted about his findings..... prolly bought a GS and traded the old C14 in, instead of changing the oil....
just joking..... ;)
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It wouldn't matter to me which filters Wal-Mart carried or how cheap they are. No way they're ever getting money from me. Clearly I'm in the minority, but I've always been ahead of my time!
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+1
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+2 //// I m using a reusable filter K&P Billet aluminum with surgical mesh filter medium havent decided on oil yet..
http://www.kandpengineering.com/ (http://www.kandpengineering.com/)
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Oil should be used in the engine for lubrication. Water doesn't work so well. You could probably use other liquids but I think the consensus is that oil is best.
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Oil should be used in the engine for lubrication. Water doesn't work so well. You could probably use other liquids but I think the consensus is that oil is best.
+1 Yeah, go with oil for best results.
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Oil should be used in the engine for lubrication. Water doesn't work so well. You could probably use other liquids but I think the consensus is that oil is best.
:rotflmao: I did plan on using motor oil but I left myself wide open for that one....
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:rotflmao: I did plan on using motor oil but I left myself wide open for that one....
Yeap, you gotta watch yourself around here. Dot all your T's and cross all your I's.
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How dare us to not take an oil related thread seriously.
Rotella T6, and Purolater 14612's and I expect no more than 200,000 miles from my engine (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/rocker.gif)(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/rocker.gif)(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/rocker.gif)
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+1 Yeah, go with oil for best results.
+2 Yup I think I got it now 8)
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I prefer olive oil, tastes better. But how does that effect the bike?
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I prefer olive oil, tastes better. But how does that effect the bike?
I hear the Connies run real well on Olive oil in Italy.... :chugbeer:
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How dare us to not take an oil related thread seriously.
Rotella T6, and Purolater 14612's and I expect no more than 200,000 miles from my engine (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/rocker.gif)(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/rocker.gif)(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/rocker.gif)
Technically it is an oil filter thread. I have been through many of these on the Victory forum :chugbeer:
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I hear the Connies run real well on Olive oil in Italy.... :chugbeer:
We'll have to ask MGalervo ;D
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I prefer olive oil, tastes better.
That's what Popeye said... ;)
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We'll have to ask MGalervo ;D
Maybe he'll do a video.
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Maybe he'll do a video.
We can only hope!
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Well quoting people who won't use something because they "heard" they were bad isn't proof of anything except the power of gossip. I can probably find you just as many who can quote how they've used Fram for a lifetime and never a problem. Probably more.
I think the instance you're talking about is a case of one defective product and Fram chose to fix the problem. Stuff happens, even with today's more rigid quality control. But you only saw the customer's side of things and his perhaps biased version, not the whole story.
I don't work for Fram or really care if the company lives or dies. But your anecdotal explanation of why Fram is a bad product simply isn't supported by actual facts.
I had a Bandit years ago and was on their forum regularly. There was one of THOSE guys, you know, an engineering type. He tore down all the filters and posted pictures of the insides of the various filters. Most were the same or similar, the Fram was made of mostly cardboard, visibly inferior. The stories of Fram's being junk are legion. You buy all the Fram's you want, I won't be buying any.
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