Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C10, aka Kawasaki Concours - The Original => Accessories and Modifications - C10 => Topic started by: Pfloydgad on January 31, 2012, 06:25:36 PM
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OK, I burned down the Azaro AV46 rear, not pleased with mileage. Handeling was excellent, but it cupped at 4k and then thinned quickly. I know some here ride harder then I do, but 7800 miles is not very good for me.
So, I was just wondering what the word is for 2012, be nice now, on the latest, greatest, or in my mind, best handeling, highest mileage and best price catagory. Remember, I'm a cheap A$$.
So put on your thinking caps, research your favorite websites, and let the C10 world know what your recommend, Please. :)
Ride safe all,
Greg
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Michelin Commander
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHELIN-COMMANDER-150-80-16-BW-43252-07-Discontinued-/170739599463?hash=item27c0df8867&item=170739599463&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHELIN-COMMANDER-150-80-16-BW-43252-07-Discontinued-/170739599463?hash=item27c0df8867&item=170739599463&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr)
$85
Belted bias with high load rating that does a pretty good job from both the comfort and handling perspective.
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Michelin Commander
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHELIN-COMMANDER-150-80-16-BW-43252-07-Discontinued-/170739599463?hash=item27c0df8867&item=170739599463&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHELIN-COMMANDER-150-80-16-BW-43252-07-Discontinued-/170739599463?hash=item27c0df8867&item=170739599463&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr)
$85
Belted bias with high load rating that does a pretty good job from both the comfort and handling perspective.
Looks like a good deal. since they are discontinued maybe a search will turn up even a better deal. I got some Dunlops a couple yrs ago that were as low as $35 on closeout.
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http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/3/31/401/19716/ITEM/Shinko-777-Rear-Tire.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/3/31/401/19716/ITEM/Shinko-777-Rear-Tire.aspx)
$85.00
I got 14,000 miles out of my first one. I ride year round rain or shine, never any traction issues. So I got another one.
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Isn't the new Michelin Commander II out now in our size for the rear? I think I saw that motorcycle-superstore.com had them for around $130 including free shipping a few days ago. Not a bad price if it's supposed to be a little better than the original Commander. I'm running the Shinko 777 now....just put a second one on my bike last fall. I can't remember exactly but I think I got between 13 and 14K out of the first one with no problems.
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COMMANDER II is available. Just received it. 125 at Ron Ayers. Got 20000km kout of 1st gen commander. Good handling and grip for my riding which is moderately hard
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I just mounted up a Venom bias in stock size on the rear. I think I'm liking it, especially paired up with a 110/80zr18 PR3 in front.
Shinko has just come out with a Wang size radial, the Journey 890. I shot them an email, they said it is designed for a 3.5 to 4" rim. I will prolly do one of those next.
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I just mounted up a Venom bias in stock size on the rear. I think I'm liking it, especially paired up with a 110/80zr18 PR3 in front.
+1 Avon Venom.... More than sticky enough to make you cocky and with plenty of life to please the cheap skate!
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I just mounted up a Venom bias in stock size on the rear. I think I'm liking it, especially paired up with a 110/80zr18 PR3 in front.
Shinko has just come out with a Wang size radial, the Journey 890. I shot them an email, they said it is designed for a 3.5 to 4" rim. I will prolly do one of those next.
So the SE890 is on the market? Can't find anything on it other than it's undergoing "Real World" testing. ???
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So the SE890 is on the market? Can't find anything on it other than it's undergoing "Real World" testing. ???
It seems to be slowly rolling out. A quick Google turn this up:
http://www.powersportjunkie.com/SHINKO-TIRES-87-4665-p/WPS-87-4665.htm (http://www.powersportjunkie.com/SHINKO-TIRES-87-4665-p/WPS-87-4665.htm)
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It seems to be slowly rolling out. A quick Google turn this up:
http://www.powersportjunkie.com/SHINKO-TIRES-87-4665-p/WPS-87-4665.htm (http://www.powersportjunkie.com/SHINKO-TIRES-87-4665-p/WPS-87-4665.htm)
Cool. I hope this fills the void that was left by the Discontinued Pilot GT...........(Ride, Mileage, & Grip)
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Is this Shinko the only radial still available for our bikes?
Ride safe, Ted
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Is this Shinko the only radial still available for our bikes?
Ride safe, Ted
No. The Avon AV46 is a radial tire.
150/80ZR-16 (71W) Avon AV46 Azaro Rear Motorcycle Tire
I'm on my second one. For me, they stick like glue, but I only get around 7k out of them. :-\
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I have an Azaro now. Need a new tire.
I like it but thought someone said they had been discontinued?
Ride safe, Ted
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+1 Avon Venom.... More than sticky enough to make you cocky and with plenty of life to please thefrugal Concours rider cheap skate!
FIFY Tony..... ;D
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Pirelli Sport Demon Sport Touring tire.
Motorcycle Super Store has them in 150/80-16 for $129.99. I know some have used this tire. I checked the Tire chart and it isn't even listed, so was just wondering how it did for you.
We seem to be covering quite a few brands so far, just thought I'd ask.
Thanks for all the input, this is helping hopefully more then just me.
Ride safe all,
Greg
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Just some F.Y.I. for your files. I contacted Michelin about the new "Commander II". Here's the response I received.
"January 04, 2012
Hello Stephen,
Thank you for your email. We welcome the opportunity to serve you.
Unfortunately, we do not make a 130/70-18 or an equivalent in any of our tire lines. Since we do not recommend mixing tread designs, we do not endorse mixing a Commander II with a different tire.
We regret not having a tire to satisfy your needs.
We appreciate your business and thank you for choosing Michelin.
It is our goal to ensure that your issue has been resolved or your question answered to your satisfaction. If we can assist you further, please respond to this email or call us at 1-800-642-4354 (toll free) between 8:00AM and 8:00PM Eastern Time Monday through Friday or between 8:30AM and 4:30PM Eastern Time on Saturday.
Sincerely,
Ken
Consumer Care Department
Certified Michelin Product Expert"
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Why 130x70x18 rather than a 120x70x18 or even a 110x80x18?
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Why 130x70x18 rather than a 120x70x18 or even a 110x80x18?
That's just the size of the Pilot GT's I'm running. I like the stability on the open slab. And I don't have any trouble in the twisties with that size so that's the size I inquired about. :thumbs:
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Motorcycle Superstore has the new Shinko SE890 Journey 160-80 x 16 for $130.99 shipped.
Not to bad, think I'll pull the trigger.
My new $.02 , hope it helps.
Ride safe all,
Greg
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Motorcycle Superstore has the new Shinko SE890 Journey 160-80 x 16 for $130.99 shipped.
Not to bad, think I'll pull the trigger.
My new $.02 , hope it helps.
Ride safe all,
Greg
Cool. Let us know what you think of them Greg. :thumbs: I'm really hoping these are the next best things to the GT's.
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I have the Shinko version previous to the SE890...9300 miles...so far...160/80R16...40psi...big chicken strips...what can I say? I intend to replace this tire with an SE890.
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I have the Shinko version previous to the SE890...9300 miles...so far...160/80R16...40psi...big chicken strips...what can I say? I intend to replace this tire with an SE890.
What's your impression of that tire?
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What's your impression of that tire?
I like it enough to replace it with the newer version...when the time comes...I like the taller profile...slightly lower RPM at any given speed for slab touring...it has never scared me in the mountains, either...also does a good job in the rain...I like the way radials ride...and, I think the mileage will safely reach 12-14k. With the understanding that I am not a road racer, but someone who just likes to ride...often two up and loaded...it satisfies every demand I have in tires. It is now paired with a Shinko 011 Verge (120/70ZR18) on the front...which will be changed out for a PR3 (110/80ZR18) when the time comes...I just think the PR3 will suit my riding style a little better.
Hope this helps!
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I like it enough to replace it with the newer version...when the time comes...I like the taller profile...slightly lower RPM at any given speed for slab touring...it has never scared me in the mountains, either...also does a good job in the rain...I like the way radials ride...and, I think the mileage will safely reach 12-14k. With the understanding that I am not a road racer, but someone who just likes to ride...often two up and loaded...it satisfies every demand I have in tires. It is now paired with a Shinko 011 Verge (120/70ZR18) on the front...which will be changed out for a PR3 (110/80ZR18) when the time comes...I just think the PR3 will suit my riding style a little better.
Hope this helps!
:thumbs: Thanks. I've run Shinko's on my ZRX1100 down in Northern Georgia. I had more confidence in them than I did the DunFlop 208's I had on before them.
Are the PR3's a radial? I'm not :stirpot: am I? I plan on running a matching set of the SE's when the time comes.
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Yes...PR3 is a radial...
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Yes...PR3 is a radial...
Off topic:
You will probably like the PR3. Nice smooth riding tire that does what it's s'posed to. Turns in nice, with out the flitty dancing stuff of the Avon Storm. Mine has 13,200 miles on it, it's about done. It has some braking force cupping on it as 1000 miles was pulling a trailer, two up, through the fun that is the Fla Keys. (on the brakes quite a bit, and firmly. The cupping has not seemed to affect the handling, it's still really good, even worn out. I've never said that about any other tire. I have another that is going on at the Fla Wrench Session on the tenth.
The cheapest that I found it was 120.99 to your door from Dennis Kirk. Things may have changed, but a lot of places were not carrying this size.
On topic: I have about 3k miles on a Venom that will probably get replaced by the 890 Shinko. I've been running Shinkos on my KLR and really like how they work, especially in the twisties, with a D.O.T. knobby. And they work well off road.
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I pulled my trigger on the Journey 160/80x16 , but I got it from Bikebandit. Their price is $119.30 and just $8.25 for shipping. They are in stock and shipping next day.
So we will see how this does, I'll keep you posted.
Ride safe all.
Greg
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I pulled my trigger on the Journey 160/80x16 , but I got it from Bikebandit. Their price is $119.30 and just $8.25 for shipping. They are in stock and shipping next day.
So we will see how this does, I'll keep you posted.
Ride safe all.
Greg
Cool. Interested in that tire for the next go around.
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After a hard run through the diamondback and devils whip, I am going to look into the Shinkos. My Avons both lasted about 5K. Yuck.
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After a hard run through the diamondback and devils whip, I am going to look into the Shinkos. My Avons both lasted about 5K. Yuck.
After many years on sport bikes and getting maybe 3-4k on sticky tires, 5k miles is great! :)
I've been getting 5-6k on the Azaro rear and 10k on the storm front. Nice combination and sticks until the pegs scrape and more. It's nice to know a tire is not the limiting factor on a bike.
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My rear Avon is squaring off badly....I need to replace it soon.
Is Avon not making a dual compound tire for us? There was a thread saying they were in testing, but I stopped getting updates, and there hasnt been any new info on it.
I guess if they dont, I might go with CRocker....SE890 on the rear and PR3 on the front.
My front Storm II Ultra is kind of odd feeling....steering is tight, going to replace the wheel bearings and see if that helps, but it feels like its squirming around at times.
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After many years on sport bikes and getting maybe 3-4k on sticky tires, 5k miles is great! :)
I've been getting 5-6k on the Azaro rear and 10k on the storm front. Nice combination and sticks until the pegs scrape and more. It's nice to know a tire is not the limiting factor on a bike.
Gotcha. remember back in musthavebeen 1985 all the way up to when I go the Connie: 2009? I'd scrape pegs on everything I rode, and rode bias tires. It is easier to do with radials, and I like the feel of radials very much, and figure that Shinko figures they have something to prove. You know I still had chicken strips with peg scraping on my Avons?
Not busting on the Avons, they were great: just now see the mileage concern. And really not happy with the sudden head shake going up to Little Switzerland: to their credit, it was near 5K when it started, along with the wobble in the decel.
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Gotcha. remember back in musthavebeen 1985 all the way up to when I go the Connie: 2009? I'd scrape pegs on everything I rode, and rode bias tires. It is easier to do with radials, and I like the feel of radials very much, and figure that Shinko figures they have something to prove. You know I still had chicken strips with peg scraping on my Avons?
Not busting on the Avons, they were great: just now see the mileage concern. And really not happy with the sudden head shake going up to Little Switzerland: to their credit, it was near 5K when it started, along with the wobble in the decel.
I've found the Avon Storm front really likes a lot more tire pressure than I'm used to. I run 4-41 psi up front and this pretty much solves the "head shake". The Storm is also good at pointing out that you have loose stearing stem and worn front wheel bearings. I replaced both and this really tightened things up, up front. Yes, I'd like more mileages out of a sticky tire but it's difficult for both attributes to live in the same tire. My choice is to stick over mileage, others may chose differently. The Avons are also wonderfully "soft" as they really improve the ride, in my opinion. I just hope I can keep getting them for the 16" rear. I've got a spare set in the garage ready to go.
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I ran 42 psi and just went out and looked: yep, wear bars on front. Didn't know it had one, but there it was! And as long as Harleys still use the 16" rear, I bet Avon will make them. And wheel bearings were 5K ago. I'll let ya know how the Shinkos do, although friends that run them in an 80/20 configuration (dual purpose tires) outrun me on a daily basis.
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I ran 42 psi and just went out and looked: yep, wear bars on front. Didn't know it had one, but there it was! And as long as Harleys still use the 16" rear, I bet Avon will make them. And wheel bearings were 5K ago. I'll let ya know how the Shinkos do, although friends that run them in an 80/20 configuration (dual purpose tires) outrun me on a daily basis.
Love the pic feathering those sticky tires!
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I should get you a pic of me doing the same on bias tired CX500, but film had not been invented then.
Being I am 15 minutes from where they shoot this, I'll get one with the Shinkos once I break them in.
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NEWS UPDATE: While ya'll were talkin' about tires, I've been talkin' with Murph.
Looks like Murph will soon be Adding "Avon" tires (for the C-10) to his inventory.
Plan is to stock; Storm II and Avaro-ST AV-46 (Radials)
Roadrider AV-26 (Front and Rear) (Belted)
Ride safe, Ted
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NEWS UPDATE: While ya'll were talkin' about tires, I've been talkin' with Murph.
Looks like Murph will soon be Adding "Avon" tires (for the C-10) to his inventory.
Plan is to stock; Storm II and Avaro-ST AV-46 (Radials)
Roadrider AV-26 (Front and Rear) (Belted)
Ride safe, Ted
FANTASTIC!! More reason to buy stuff from Murph!! I hope this means for the 16" rear wheel.
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For those that run the 130 front 160 rears, Continental has their Conti-Motions available in those sizes.
Had a set on my Bandit and liked them...though I didnt get a chance to wear them out before I got the Connie....I might give those a shot.
Like the idea of a larger rear, but not so much on the front, though I know lots on here do it. Cant say Id even notice the handling, it handles like a ZX6 compared to my old VTX1800, its almost flickable compared to that!
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For those that run the 130 front 160 rears, Continental has their Conti-Motions available in those sizes.
Had a set on my Bandit and liked them...though I didnt get a chance to wear them out before I got the Connie....I might give those a shot.
Like the idea of a larger rear, but not so much on the front, though I know lots on here do it. Cant say Id even notice the handling, it handles like a ZX6 compared to my old VTX1800, its almost flickable compared to that!
Who has them? Once the Conti "Road Attacks" were avalible for my ZRX that's all she ever wore. If the Conti-Motions are anywhere close to the Road Attacks, that could be very intresting.
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Dennis Kirk, but I havent looked yet for anyone else.
I think its a new size, they didnt have many when I got them for my Bandit as it was a new tire at that time.
Hopefully they will work well, as Im in pretty bad need of at least a rear!
Ill look some more later today and see what I can come up with....
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Dennis Kirk, but I havent looked yet for anyone else.
I think its a new size, they didnt have many when I got them for my Bandit as it was a new tire at that time.
Hopefully they will work well, as Im in pretty bad need of at least a rear!
Ill look some more later today and see what I can come up with....
Are you riding a C-14?
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Are you riding a C-14?
Only in my dreams....lol.
No, seriously, I have a C10.
I know Conti doesnt list them on their site, but lots of places are selling them in the 130 70 18 and 160 80 16....
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Only in my dreams....lol.
No, seriously, I have a C10.
I know Conti doesnt list them on their site, but lots of places are selling them in the 130 70 18 and 160 80 16....
Where are you finding a Conti-Motion in a 160/80/16?
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Well, here for one:
https://www.denniskirk.com/544114.sku?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse (https://www.denniskirk.com/544114.sku?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse)
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As he said earlier, but w/o a link, silly boy: can't make other people go through all those pages:
https://www.denniskirk.com/continental/rear-conti-motion-160-80hr-16-blackwall-tire.p544114.prd/544114.sku (https://www.denniskirk.com/continental/rear-conti-motion-160-80hr-16-blackwall-tire.p544114.prd/544114.sku)
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And then I see the review from one of my kin:
2700 miles and rear tire shows is totally shot. I just took a 7000 mile trip across country on a set of Michelin Pilot Road 2CT's.Mostly highway and 75-85 MPH.Came home and rode another 3000 miles, 50 % on 2 lane Western NC mountain roads. At only 6000 miles per set on the Michelins the Continentals cost 50% more to use.I do NOT recommend.
Saved me A BUNCH of research.
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And then I see the review from one of my kin:
2700 miles and rear tire shows is totally shot. I just took a 7000 mile trip across country on a set of Michelin Pilot Road 2CT's.Mostly highway and 75-85 MPH.Came home and rode another 3000 miles, 50 % on 2 lane Western NC mountain roads. At only 6000 miles per set on the Michelins the Continentals cost 50% more to use.I do NOT recommend.
Saved me A BUNCH of research.
Yeah, saw that too. But Ive seen others, mostly the FJR crowd, getting good mileage out of them.
Guess it really doesnt matter, as they are radials and in those sizes would be too big for our little wheels....lol.
It stinks not having good choices! I hate forking over a ton of money for a rear, only to have to do it again in a year, or less.
I love the Avons stick, but well, Im a cheapskate, mostly because I have to be, and want the most bang for my buck. Oh well....
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I have a spare rear wheel. One of these years I'll have it made into a 17" wheel and solve the rear tire choice problem.
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My problem is Avon's road hazard warranty. I like it too much. I guess I am going to go back. And just looked, i am on the wear bars on the sides of the rear too. i really used this tire.
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My problem is Avon's road hazard warranty. I like it too much. I guess I am going to go back. And just looked, i am on the wear bars on the sides of the rear too. i really used this tire.
Guess Ill have to look into that.
I guess I cant complain about the Azaro too much, I didnt put it on, it was on the bike when I got it. It will need replaced before the Summer is over for sure, but maybe the PO did burnouts or something.....its awful square in the middle....
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Yeah, saw that too. But Ive seen others, mostly the FJR crowd, getting good mileage out of them.
Guess it really doesnt matter, as they are radials and in those sizes would be too big for our little wheels....lol.
It stinks not having good choices! I hate forking over a ton of money for a rear, only to have to do it again in a year, or less.
I love the Avons stick, but well, Im a cheapskate, mostly because I have to be, and want the most bang for my buck. Oh well....
According to an email reply from Western Powersports(U.S. distributor for Shinko), the Journey 890 in the 160/80/16 size is designed for fitment to rims that are 3.5 to 4" wide.
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According to an email reply from Western Powersports(U.S. distributor for Shinko), the Journey 890 in the 160/80/16 size is designed for fitment to rims that are 3.5 to 4" wide.
And our stock Connie's size is.............? Why am I not going to like this answer? ;D
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Well......
The Bikebandit tech services did the research via Shinko. And the C10 should have no problems fitting up.
I sure hope so, because mine is going on tomorrow, I'll let you know what comes of it.
RSA,
Greg
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Please do, and post a pic!
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its awful square in the middle....
I see that A bunch here in the mountains. Scary stuff. Honestly I feel if you don't carve every day you go out, you don't need this rear tire. Mine squared off probably 100 miles before the sides went and it was miserable. I have seen the same thing on an Avon bias, ah what is that guys name?
I don't know what to do about a lack of turns in your area. Honestly for the price I would probably look @ Goldwing stuff. That Journey looks very promising!
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Murph now has the Avon Roadriders (AM-26) in stock. (belted)
Has anyone used them? Tread Pattern looks like the Azaro.
If they handle anything like the Azaro, they may be my set..
Ride safe, Ted
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I see that A bunch here in the mountains. Scary stuff. Honestly I feel if you don't carve every day you go out, you don't need this rear tire. Mine squared off probably 100 miles before the sides went and it was miserable. I have seen the same thing on an Avon bias, ah what is that guys name?
I don't know what to do about a lack of turns in your area. Honestly for the price I would probably look @ Goldwing stuff. That Journey looks very promising!
Yeah, I was thinking that coupled with a good front, like the Avon Storm II Ultra I currently have, might be the ticket....if it is in fact designed to fit on our wheels.
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The new Journey is on, and it fits perfectly, so no worries on that side of the coin.
And this one that i got was perfectly balanced, absolutly nothing was need on the rim.
Here are a few pics off the wheel.
RSA.
Greg
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Looks good!
You didnt happen to talk to them about the front fitment also did you?
No biggie there though, as there are plenty of options, but if they made that one to fit, maybe the front does too....
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And on and ready to roll, it is supposed to be 65 here in central Ohio tomorrow, guess what I'll be doing ?
I say this after every tire change, but it does look good.
RSA.
Greg
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Looks good!
You didnt happen to talk to them about the front fitment also did you?
No biggie there though, as there are plenty of options, but if they made that one to fit, maybe the front does too....
I think the matching front is a 130. Same sizes we were getting the pilot GT's in.
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And our stock Connie's size is.............? Why am I not going to like this answer? ;D
3.5" ;D
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And on and ready to roll, it is supposed to be 65 here in central Ohio tomorrow, guess what I'll be doing ?
I say this after every tire change, but it does look good.
RSA.
Greg
Eager for a report.
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3.5" ;D
The same time as the Goldwing, which uses a 130 width: so by association, and users here, 130/70-18 will work on the front of the Connie. And cool of cool: they have that size on sale!
So you can have a matched set.
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The same time as the Goldwing, which uses a 130 width: so by association, and users here, 130/70-18 will work on the front of the Connie. And cool of cool: they have that size on sale!
So you can have a matched set.
Yes. Just remember the 130 takes a little to throw it in a corner. However, the stability on the road is fantastic.
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I am so ready to pull the trigger: I am one of those " tire is better than I" guys. So far I have found sets to be $50-70 less than Avons. I think I will have to try them in the mountains of WNC.
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Just a couple of notes...
Pfloydgad...have you noticed how much taller the new tire is?
As for the 130/70R18 front Journey...I wouldn't advise putting it on a 1st gen ('86-93) wheel...I put it's predecessor on my '91...and, while it was much better than the worn out Dunlops I had...it pinched the tire too much for handling to be optimum...it fit on the narrow wheel...but it was really squeezed tight when seated on the rim...
'94 and up should be fine with the 130/70R18 front...
HTH...and enjoy the new tire!
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A measurment at the middle of my seat puts me 1.25" taller. It really looked a lot taller, but my Azaro Av46 was pretty much flat done its middle, and cupped pretty bad. I got 8525 out of it, and it was into its wearbars at about 8200. Never got to a cord though, so I squized out the 8525 waiting for the Journey to go on sale somewhere. I wasn't going to pay the sug. ret. of $189 bucks, and Bikebandit really came through in the pricing catagory so early in the year.
I'll give you a road report later tomorrow.
Ride safe all,
Greg
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I couldnt find it on BikeBandits site...found the 790, but not the 890.
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I couldnt find it on BikeBandits site...found the 790, but not the 890.
I found it too...interesting...I would bet that this is the tire Pfloydgad ordered...and, I would bet it says SE890 on the sidewall...
Greg...can you chime in?
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I'm a bit concerned that it's 1.25" taller than stock??
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Oh it says 890 for sure, and of course it says Journey also. Give them a call.
Now as far as the measurement goes, remember now, I was taking a measurment with a very well used tire as the comparison. If you saw the Avon you would understand very quickly, it is very squared off. So that might not be reality if you wanted a true "stock" comparison. It has been so long since I had stock, I wouldn't even guess that measurement.
Ride safer all,
Greg
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Avon says that the tread depth on an Azaro is 7MM, so worn out is 14MM short: 1/2 inch right there.
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Well..........................................
112 miles and extremely windy conditions today, but it did hit 65 deg.
I am very impressed with this new skin, solid as a rock even with the wind, smooth and very tight.
With the wind coming from the west and going either N or S, this thing sticks very well.
And... you will Love getting your Connie on the center stand with this tire, a quick yank and she is up.
I am going to hold total judgement for a rainy day that is warm enough to see how she does then, but right now, this is the tire in my opinion.
Well worth the wait, and if the pricing stays put, I'll get another for next year just because.
Ride safe all,
Greg
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Greg,
Thanks for the feedback, but I'd wait until you need the tire.
1; although I doubt it, you may change your mind after the tire gets 5k+ on it
2; Shinkos pricing has remained pretty stable since they came on the mkt
3; won't have to worry about the xtra tire getting in the way
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Greg,
Thanks for the feedback, but I'd wait until you need the tire.
1; although I doubt it, you may change your mind after the tire gets 5k+ on it
2; Shinkos pricing has remained pretty stable since they came on the mkt
3; won't have to worry about the xtra tire getting in the way
And of course, good judgement rules again. I always get excited about a new tire, man I'm easy to please.
Thanks for bringing me back down to earth, besides, I might need the funds for fuel. :P
Ride safe all,
Greg
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When you went to put the wheel back on the bike with the Shinko, did you have to put on and then inflate it or did you inflate it first? Seems I recalled that procedure for the Wing tires.
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RD,
It went on with 44 psi. no problem. But I also pull both cans and the pig. I give the cans a good Neverdull buff and polish to keep that chrome looking good. And I also clean-up the pig gears of the old grease, and re-grease everything with new fresh slime. Shock grease certs get a new squirt, and everything in the under fender gets a good wipedown and inspection. I shoot the rear brakes with brakecleaner, pull the pads out and do a good cleaning there also. So just doing the rear tire is actually a good rear end cleaning and lubing, wow, that came out wrong. ;)
Hope this helped some.
Ride safe all,
Greg
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:rotflmao:
Thanks. That's the info I was looking for.
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Pulled the trigger on the rear, and oh my: the front was not listed any more.
I was concerned about this in the first place, so I went with the 011 front. May make it a little "sportier", I honestly don't know, but I did it.
Updated this week sometime.
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Pulled the trigger on the rear, and oh my: the front was not listed any more.
I was concerned about this in the first place, so I went with the 011 front. May make it a little "sportier", I honestly don't know, but I did it.
Updated this week sometime.
If you can, post a side by side shot of the tires dismounted....the rears. Just wondering how much taller the tire is not mounted than the factory tire.
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Pulled the trigger on the rear, and oh my: the front was not listed any more.
I was concerned about this in the first place, so I went with the 011 front. May make it a little "sportier", I honestly don't know, but I did it.
Updated this week sometime.
I have been running an 011 front...120/70ZR18...it amazed me in the rain...but, just like you mentioned, it seemed like a "sportier" tire...it really came into its own when pushed a little bit...but, alas...I don't really ride much like that anymore...sounds like you and the 011 will be a good fit...mine seemed to like just shy of 40psi...looking forward to your report!
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I did look at my Avon front: worn on the sides, if I was slabbing I would have quite a way to go! And it seems I really dig deep on right handers... odd.
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I liked my first 011 Verge so much that I replaced it w/ another. IIRC, got around 16k out of it too.
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I did look at my Avon front: worn on the sides, if I was slabbing I would have quite a way to go! And it seems I really dig deep on right handers... odd.
Damn, and I thought I must be the only one. I always wear out the sides of my front tires, the right much more than the left. I've had the same experience with all 3 C-10s I've owned. It seems I'm always seeing threads about riders wearing out the left side, you are the only other rider I've heard of who is also wearing the right side more than the left. It might be fun to ride together some day.
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Damn, and I thought I must be the only one. I always wear out the sides of my front tires, the right much more than the left. I've had the same experience with all 3 C-10s I've owned. It seems I'm always seeing threads about riders wearing out the left side, you are the only other rider I've heard of who is also wearing the right side more than the left. It might be fun to ride together some day.
Are you left handed?
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A bike mechanic told me once that tires wear on the left mostly due to crowned roads. Seems plausible.
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Right handed, and seems to be that I am comfortable going right: so you don't have to go back to page 3:
(http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6664.0;attach=8322;image)
all my left turn pics are much more subdued, although I have hit the peg feelers hardest on that one side, the guy behind of me said " you drug a groove in the pavement dude". All I was worried about was that waaaaaaay far down I was heading for.
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Hmmm... I just checked my front tire, and like yours, the tread is worn noticably more on the right side than the left. Maybe I have it backwards that right handed people turn harder to the right?? I do feel more comfortable stuffing a right turn than a left.
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Are you left handed?
No, I'm right handed. I've always been more comfortable with left hand turns but my front tire tells me that I like rights pretty well.
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OK.......UPDATE Time.
Got 167 miles in today, roads were perfect, and minimal wind.
I did some twisties, and long high speed sweepers. I am Loving this tire more and more.
I now have 255 miles so far, no wet yet, but it seems to be just fine.
Hope this helps with your choices of rear tires.
Ride safe all,
Greg
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OK.......UPDATE Time.
Got 167 miles in today, roads were perfect, and minimal wind.
I did some twisties, and long high speed sweepers. I am Loving this tire more and more.
I now have 255 miles so far, no wet yet, but it seems to be just fine.
Hope this helps with your choices of rear tires.
Ride safe all,
Greg
Thanks.
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I just ordered the new Commander and a Pilot road 2 for the front.
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I just ordered the new Commander and a Pilot road 2 for the front.
Let me know what you think of that combo Paul. Should prove to be a great set-up.
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http://www.chaparral-racing.com/Product/shinko-se890-journey-tourning-radial-rear-tire/369-874665.aspx (http://www.chaparral-racing.com/Product/shinko-se890-journey-tourning-radial-rear-tire/369-874665.aspx)
link above is for se890 for less than $122. If I needed a rear tire I would be looking at Shinkos.
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That is the one I got. The front was on there for 9X.XX the day before I ordered....
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Mounted the tires yesterday, no problems doing it with spoons and a scissors jack. Balance today, and predicted rain for like forever, so I will test in the rain soon.
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Just saw this thread and discovered that the Shinko comes in the size I'm running front & rear (160/80-16 & 130/70-18) and the price is right also. Ya'll let us know how they ride and handle.
Will be ordering tires in the next couple of weeks and willwait to hear what your results are.
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Balanced the tires: front 1/2 ounce (011 Verge) , rear 1 3/4 ounce (890 Journey). Haven't rode it yet, will still try to do a quick run tonight. Quick question: 80Ft lbs for rear axle torque right?
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Book says 81 for the rear axle nut but I'd say you would be close enough....heck it's impressive that you are using a torque wrench.....VBG
Going to be mounting a set of Avons, 110 80 18 Storm front and the 150 80 16 rear Azaro....looking forward to a better ride than the Metzlers 880's that are on there.
Nobody wants to discount the Shinkos here in Canada....paid $265 for the Avon set with free shipping so figured that wasn't too bad.....
Wish I could have sprung for CRockers ZRX front end and the meanstreak wheel that was on the For Sale Board but it wasn't to be...
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600 miles on the Journey now. Doesn't show any wear at all so far. Got into a pretty good downpour today, and it stuck like glue, and i tried to push it on a long sweeper and a 3/4 round on-ramp, no problems at all.
I will recommend this tire for any of you needing one, I really like the feel, and if i get the miles I'm looking for I will twice as happy.
There you go, the wet and dry review.
Ride safe all,
Greg
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Gonna make a new thread for the Journey radial, would love for your input Greg and anyone else.