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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: Conrad on December 30, 2011, 10:13:27 AM
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Here's a good one for us motorcyclist in Illinois.
Motorcycle Red Lights (HB 2860/PA 97-0627):
Allows motorcyclists stopped at a red light to proceed through the light if, after waiting a reasonable length of time, the red light fails to change to green. Governor Quinn issued an amendatory veto to change the language of the measure, however both the House and Senate overrode his changes and the bill became law as originally passed.
I've had to avoid some intersections in my area because of this but now I won't have to.
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What's a reasonable length of time?
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I think they say 120 seconds. I'll keep a copy of the law on the bike til LEO gets used to it.
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Or a stop watch
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I think allowing responsible citizens to be armed is much more important. ::)
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Or a stop watch
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A good Cop would have already used common sense for that one.
I wanna lane split. Can I get an amen?
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I think allowing responsible citizens to be armed is much more important. ::)
What are you gonna do , Brian --shoot the cop or the red light ? Seems a bit extreme ....
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A good Cop would have already used common sense for that one.
I wanna lane split. Can I get an amen?
Amen. :)
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What's a reasonable length of time?
I'd say the amount of time it takes me to make sure that there are no cars coming.
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Or no cops around.
Also rear seat passenger seat belt law.
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Or no cops around.
Also rear seat passenger seat belt law.
I saw that one too, a stroke of genius no?
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There's also a new Murder Registry. It'll soon be easier to have a non-offender registry. It might be a shorter list.
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I'd say the amount of time it takes me to make sure that there are no cars coming.
We have this law in Minnesota, and thats about all I do. Complete stop, look twice, then go.
Haven't gotten tagged yet. I think in 120 seconds I could just take 3 rights like an UPS driver. Or put the kickstand down and walk over to push the crosswalk button.
I think the wording is kept deliberately vague so the LEOs can make conditions-based judgment calls.
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Vague is the operable word here...
Here is the language:
3.5. After stopping as required by paragraph 1 or 2 of this subsection, the driver of a motorcycle or bicycle, facing a steady red signal which fails to change to a green signal within a reasonable period of time because of a signal malfunction or because the signal has failed to detect the arrival of the motorcycle or bicycle due to the vehicle's size or weight, shall have the right to proceed subject to the rules applicable after making a stop at a stop sign as required by Section 11-1204 of this Code.
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'zactly. Stop sign rules. Another reason to make the cagers jealous.
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Gotta love how some of these things get reported.
CBS Chicago: Motorcycles, Bicycles Can Run Red Lights Under New Law (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/12/30/motorcycles-bicycles-can-run-red-lights-under-new-law/)
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Everyday I was doing this this year. It is legal now? You can tell if the light is going to change for you or not. It is the early mornings that I have to run them. In the afternoon I let the car behind me trigger the light.
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Gotta love how some of these things get reported.
CBS Chicago: Motorcycles, Bicycles Can Run Red Lights Under New Law (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/12/30/motorcycles-bicycles-can-run-red-lights-under-new-law/)
They make sure the headline iritates the greatest number of people. Damn bikers.
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Funny ....this problem got me into an early morning flee from authorities when I was a kid in the early 80's should have seen me dirt biking the late 70's 500 street yama pig lol. Damn light cycled thru 4 times ..shut off lights and made my left..then saw plain ole headlights bearing down on me reacted w/downshift and throttle ......then headlights turned into busy bar--well once committed .............
Mike
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The explanation I have been given for Indiana's reasonable period of time is "the equivalent of two normal signal changes.
I have a couple of streets that will not trigger for a motorcycle at all, unfortunately on those streets the cross traffic is very heavy most of the day, so just when you think it is safe to proceed, another wave of traffic comes at you.
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What's the interval for a 'normal' light change cycle?
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We sure could use that law around here. When I get up and go to work at zero dark thirty in the morning (little if any traffic on the road) there is this certain intersection where I have to make a left turn and I absolutely cannot trip the sensor with my bike, no matter what I do. I can sometimes trip the light sensor on the straight ahead light. I frequently have to just run the light and do the turn.
Except.... now they just installed a red light camera at that intersection. I'm f**d. The other day I had to do a right turn, and ride a quarter mile in the wrong direction so I could do a u-turn.
If you ever end up reading in the news about a traffic camera in the Bay Area taken out by a shotgun, it was probably me.
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Have you complained to the local roads dept? Perhaps they could adjust it a bit.
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What's the interval for a 'normal' light change cycle?
At the time I was told 45 seconds was a standard cycle. So a reasonable period would be 90 seconds.
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Have you complained to the local roads dept? Perhaps they could adjust it a bit.
Yes. And yes, they could.
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Yes. And yes, they could.
But.....
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But.....
"Thank you, we'll note it and forward it to the appropriate department."
"Who is the appropriate department?"
"The streets department."
"Aren't I speaking with the streets department?"
"Yes."
"Well, then, isn't it already in the right department?"
"No."
"You guys maintain the streets right?"
"Yes. But somebody has to program the controller."
"Who does that?"
"I don't know."
"Then who fixes the lights when they are messed up?"
"We call a contractor."
"Okay the light is messed up, can you call a contractor?"
"We have to send a field crew and they have to fill out a work authorization form."
"Then can you send a crew?" (I think I'm getting somewhere)
"I will forward your request to the appropriate department."
"You guys can't send a crew out to check out the light?"
"No."
"Who can?"
"Field service."
"So, can you give me the phone number to field service? I'd be happy to ask them directly."
"No, they don't take public calls."
"So you will call field service and ask them to send a crew out right?"
"Yes."
"You are sure they will send a crew out?"
"They will evaluate the request based on the severity of the problem and the workload of the department."
"This is.... the third time in six months I've asked for this to be fixed. It's still a problem. How can I get something done if it isn't fixed this time?"
"I can put in a request to escalate the ticket."
"Can you do that then?"
"I'll forward the escalation request to the appropriate department."
"Who is the appropriate departmetn for service request escalations?"
"I don't know, we've never done it."
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awesome
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Except.... now they just installed a red light camera at that intersection. I'm f**d.
Aerostitch Lane Share Tool. (http://www.aerostich.com/aerostich-lane-share-tool.html) ;D
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Aerostitch Lane Share Tool. (http://www.aerostich.com/aerostich-lane-share-tool.html) ;D
Love it. Will put you in prison, but I still love it.
I need a switch to show my plate only when the fuzz shows up. I guess I could modify it.... ;)
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"Thank you, we'll note it and forward it to the appropriate department."
"Who is the appropriate department?"
"The streets department."
"Aren't I speaking with the streets department?"
"Yes."
"Well, then, isn't it already in the right department?"
"No."
"You guys maintain the streets right?"
"Yes. But somebody has to program the controller."
"Who does that?"
"I don't know."
"Then who fixes the lights when they are messed up?"
"We call a contractor."
"Okay the light is messed up, can you call a contractor?"
"We have to send a field crew and they have to fill out a work authorization form."
"Then can you send a crew?" (I think I'm getting somewhere)
"I will forward your request to the appropriate department."
"You guys can't send a crew out to check out the light?"
"No."
"Who can?"
"Field service."
"So, can you give me the phone number to field service? I'd be happy to ask them directly."
"No, they don't take public calls."
"So you will call field service and ask them to send a crew out right?"
"Yes."
"You are sure they will send a crew out?"
"They will evaluate the request based on the severity of the problem and the workload of the department."
"This is.... the third time in six months I've asked for this to be fixed. It's still a problem. How can I get something done if it isn't fixed this time?"
"I can put in a request to escalate the ticket."
"Can you do that then?"
"I'll forward the escalation request to the appropriate department."
"Who is the appropriate departmetn for service request escalations?"
"I don't know, we've never done it."
Who's on first?
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Third Base! ;D
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Third Base! ;D
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