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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Kurt on December 10, 2011, 06:57:55 PM
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I managed to scrape up against a car today while lane sharing. Oops!! No damage to me, the bike, or the car. This is a very wide bike. Are there any slimmer side bags available?
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The mirrors are wider than the bags IIRC...
So what hit if no damage to either Kurt? ???
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The only thing I can think of for smaller bags would be to have a set of leather bags on it.
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+1 on the mirrors being the widest point of the bike.
i use a tank bag for commuting and short trips.
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I managed to scrape up against a car today while lane sharing. Oops!! No damage to me, the bike, or the car. This is a very wide bike. Are there any slimmer side bags available?
To answer your question about slimmer bags, yes. There are/were slimmer bags available at one time. One of the companies that does the LEO conversion for C14s used a slim line bag, I don't remember the details other than the bags being slimmer. All that info was on the old site but it still has to be out there someplace.
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yes the bike is very wide .!
I lost a mirror when splitting between a couple of plastic traffic barrels at 50 mph . I just misjudged the width of the bike.
Its mega wide without bags on. Like Queen Mary wide !
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Don't lane split? :P
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I've only done the lane splitting thing once (out in cali for the MotoGP race at Laguna this year), and was following an R1200GS, so knew I had room. Otherwise, that's a spooky situation on such a wide bike. If I was on a 600 or something, that'd be cake.
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The mirrors are wider than the bags, kind of like a cat's whiskers. That being said there were some slim replacement bag lids available on a Japanese web site.
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Yer all pussies. I lanesplit for 40 miles every day for nearly 17 months. ;D
Yes she's wide but well balanced and easy to manouever.
Easier to lanesplit than the C10 but leave the sidebags at home.
Fit a trunk if yer gonna lanesplit regularly.
My mirrors are a little scarred and scraped but never broke one.
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I am definately more limited in lane splitting options than I have been on any other bike. These mirrors are freakin wider than a Gold Wing's.
It's still doable though.
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I am definately more limited in lane splitting options than I have been on any other bike. These mirrors are freakin wider than a Gold Wing's.
It's still doable though.
i've been known to reach over and fold um in.
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Never Lane Split in NJ or PA. It's against the law, and people around here aren't very good drivers, so I sit in traffic taking up my space. The Concours takes up the same space in stop and go traffic as a Toyota Yaris! ;D
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Yer all pussies. I lanesplit for 40 miles every day for nearly 17 months. ;D
Yes she's wide but well balanced and easy to manouever.
Easier to lanesplit than the C10 but leave the sidebags at home.
Fit a trunk if yer gonna lanesplit regularly.
My mirrors are a little scarred and scraped but never broke one.
What's wider, you or the bike Boomer :) I had the pleasure of the M25 motorway a few months back filtering for a few dozen miles >:(
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I've nicked a mirror or two, but if you're scraping the sides of cars, then you're a poor judge of width and you probably should stop lane sharing.
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Yer all pussies. I lanesplit for 40 miles every day for nearly 17 months. ;D
Yes she's wide but well balanced and easy to manouever.
Easier to lanesplit than the C10 but leave the sidebags at home.
Fit a trunk if yer gonna lanesplit regularly.
My mirrors are a little scarred and scraped but never broke one.
So can we assume that there are dozens of cars out there with mirror streaks down the sides ?
Wonder these people will do next time they have a Connie in their sights ?
Hope you don't live in my state ! :o
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Never Lane Split in NJ or PA. It's against the law, and people around here aren't very good drivers, so I sit in traffic taking up my space. The Concours takes up the same space in stop and go traffic as a Toyota Yaris! ;D
I believe that lane splitting is illegal in the vast majority of states. I know I would never try it. Riding is already dangerous enough as it is! :)
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Keep in mind that Boomer lives in the UK where it is legal and normal to lane split and filter... IMHO it is completely different when the cagers expect the bikes to lane split and everyone, cagers and riders alike, are brought up with it from day one of driving/riding.
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Keep in mind that Boomer lives in the UK where it is legal and normal to lane split and filter... IMHO it is completely different when the cagers expect the bikes to lane split and everyone, cagers and riders alike, are brought up with it from day one of driving/riding.
Sorry ,my bad- if I had checked his post I could have seen he was from the U.K.
Still , seems a good chance Boomer might get knocked on his bum by some pissed-off guy in a Vauxhall , or M.G. , or whatever they drive over in Merrie Olde England . Great fun ,what ? ;)
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Totally legal here if done below 30Mph.
All my scrapes come from drivers deliberately squeezing me.
All have had second thoughts when my size 15 bounced off their car.
I have never touched a car I was passing.
If the gap isn't big enough, I don't try to pass through it.
After a couple of weeks you KNOW when it's big enough or not.
Many drivers are not deliberately squeezing you. They see you in their door mirror and they steer a little bit towards you because of the tendancy to steer in the direction you are looking.
The only cars that have ever come after me were right lane hogs that I passed on the left.
We have a KEEP LEFT rule over here that all too many arseholes like to ignore.
So, if they won't pull over, I pass them on the left or "undertake" them.
One such came after me like I'd raped his daughter.
Unfortunately for him a bike is a lot faster than pretty much any car.
I found the next cluster of traffic and made sure that I had at least 10 cars between me and the arsehole.
Motorway riding over here would be no problem if it wasn't for the arseholes. Some of them are bikers who weave in and out of traffic at 70Mph+. Some are right lane hogs, some are the usual phone/lipstick/coffee idiots/
All are guilty of one failing.
They all fail to consider or care about the effects their actions have on others.
Arseholes!
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i've been known to reach over and fold um in.
+1
I makes her a couple of inches narrower on each side.
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Keep in mind that Boomer lives in the UK where it is legal and normal to lane split and filter... IMHO it is completely different when the cagers expect the bikes to lane split and everyone, cagers and riders alike, are brought up with it from day one of driving/riding.
Sorry, I completely missed that too. Here (USA) in many areas, it would be just INVITING death.
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Obviously you know we can lane share here in California.
Its not as dangerous as one might think.
Just have to choose well, and keep your eyes scanning constantly.
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Having driven a car is a lot of different countries I figure I have some experience on this subject. I can tell you that the UK is like Australia and other places, relatively sane and there are a lot more bikes, riders ride rain, hail or shine, all year round. And lane splitting in stand still traffic is normal. While the US is very different from east to west, I can tell you that drivers don't share the roads well and aren't used to bikes unless they ride themselves. I split lanes a few times in stopped traffic and for some reason even though its been very safe, ie: cars are not moving, drivers get very pissed for god knows what reason. Its like you crossed their right by birth to own the road.
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Obviously you know we can lane share here in California.
I've wanted to ask this question ever since I last visited California and encountered this lane sharing. What are the rules/laws regarding this? I was rather surprised the first time I was passed (in my lane) while doing 85 mph heading west on I-40 in LA.
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I've wanted to ask this question ever since I last visited California and encountered this lane sharing. What are the rules/laws regarding this? I was rather surprised the first time I was passed (in my lane) while doing 85 mph heading west on I-40 in LA.
I am curious too. Although it is obvious that neither going 85 nor passing someone going 85 is going to be legal :)
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I've wanted to ask this question ever since I last visited California and encountered this lane sharing. What are the rules/laws regarding this? I was rather surprised the first time I was passed (in my lane) while doing 85 mph heading west on I-40 in LA.
Pretty good info here... BUT it is not 'legal' to lane share in CA, it's just not "illegal" as it is in most states ;)
http://www.laneshare.org/ca.htm (http://www.laneshare.org/ca.htm)
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Pretty good info here... BUT it is not 'legal' to lane share in CA, it's just not "illegal" as it is in most states ;)
http://www.laneshare.org/ca.htm (http://www.laneshare.org/ca.htm)
I'm not sure I agree. While there is not a CV on the books that outlines lane sharing, this is from the CA CHP .gov site.
http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html (http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html)
Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles?
Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe and prudent manner.
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I'm not sure I agree. While there is not a CV on the books that outlines lane sharing, this is from the CA CHP .gov site.
http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html (http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html)
No worries Brent, semantics I guess. Permissible to me has a different meaning than legal.
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I'm with ya , Boomer!
Arseholes,indeed ! You wanna see arseholes ? Come pay us a visit in Sunny Florida ! You will see some shite
you won't believe !
I'm sure the "Florida Steves " can testify to that 8)
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Come pay us a visit in Sunny Florida ! You will see some shite you won't believe !
Was in Tallahassee on several business trips in 97,98 and 99. Drove to Orlando, Jacksonville, St Augustine and Daytona as well as plenty of local driving. Central to North Florida drivers are not that bad. Slow, inattentive and rarely in full control of their cars but easy enough to outrun/avoid if yer awake and alert.
I can't comment on the southerners as I never got further south.
Now driving in Istanbul is scary.
Take those same inattentive, out-of-control drivers but feed them on Turkish coffee (Expresso but surved by the bucket) and it's like living in a demolition derby arena. Driving on the sidewalk to pass someone is common, most junctions are a free-for-all and road signs are just another hazard to be avoided. Me, I took a cab and spent most of the trip with my eyes closed!
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Alas , much has changed in the last 10 years . Central Florida is no longer the slow paced ,peaceful place to ride that it once was.
Everyone seems angry ,and looking out for #1 ,at the expense of other drivers ,and especially riders ! Traffic congestion has increased tremendously in my area -- Lakeland is now either West Orlando or East Tampa -not sure which. ;)
But the number of fools on the road seems to have quadrupled . My 17 year old son just started riding , and I tell him over and over again to assume cage drivers are out to kill him,and act accordingly !
As for South Florida, that can now be referred to as Havana North , with all the fiery tempers , congestion ,and insane driving as any other latin american city . Melting pot , my foot !
Arseholes !
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Alas , much has changed in the last 10 years . Central Florida is no longer the slow paced ,peaceful place to ride that it once was. Everyone seems angry ,and looking out for #1 ,at the expense of other drivers ,and especially riders ! Traffic congestion has increased tremendously in my area -- Lakeland is now either West Orlando or East Tampa -not sure which. ;)
But the number of fools on the road seems to have quadrupled . My 17 year old son just started riding , and I tell him over and over again to assume cage drivers are out to kill him,and act accordingly !
As for South Florida, that can now be referred to as Havana North , with all the fiery tempers , congestion ,and insane driving as any other latin american city . Melting pot , my foot !
Arseholes !
You got that right! My wife and I were almost swiped off our Connie by a car who tried to lane share with us in Orlando! Even worse...we were in the right lane trying to stay away from these idiots who were racing each other in Sunday afternoon traffic. :cannon: (wanted to use this smiley for once)
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To answer the question of the legality of lane sharing in California, every other State EXCEPT California defines and limits how many vehicles can occupy the same lane space, generally one vehicle per lane. Some States give exemptions for motorcycles (e.g. allowing no more than two to ride abreast) and give exemptions for lane filtering, which is riding past stopped traffic at an intersection. Most States have specific exemptions for law enforcement motorcycles.
The CHP and DMV do post guidelines on lane sharing but they aren't regulatory. The California Vehicle Code does not address it. If an LEO thought that you were lane sharing unsafely, you would normally be cited for a CVC 22350 (violation of the basic speed law that says you cannot travel faster than conditions permit safely, regardless of the posted limit.) If you were lane sharing in a grossly unsafe manner, you would potentially be subject to an unsafe driving violation (covered in several CVC's.) You would of course still be subject to CVC 22349a (exceeding a posted maximum speed) like anyone else regardless of whether you were lane sharing or not.
The CVC has several unsafe passing provisions. Passing as defined by the CVC is an overtaking move effected by changing lanes. If you do not change lanes it isn't a pass by the CVC definition. Theoretically, if you zig zagged between lanes you could be subject to unsafe passing. In practice, unless you are clearly occupying an entire lane space when you pass, and you do it excessively, you aren't likely to be cited for that (there is California case law that sets precedent for allowing crossing of the lane marker while lane sharing.)
I personally think it's safer to lane share, in most instances, than it is to ride in the lane sandwiched by cars. I've nearly been rear ended on the freeway when there wasn't enough space to split and get out of the way. I also play by the rules in other States, since in addition to the legality consequences, drivers in other States don't expect lane sharing to occur. It generally is expected in California and I find that unless you ride like an asshole, most drivers are tolerant and let you by. There are always the occasional cock blockers that try to cut you off, but I find they are the exception and not the rule.
Talk to any CHP motor cop (I know several.) They expect motorcycles to lane share, and wonder why they don't when they see it. I have absolutely no qualms lane sharing behind a motor cop, or next to a CHP cruiser. If a motor cop is behind me, I'll normally get out of the way as a courtesy, and they usually wave in appreciation when I move over.
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Talk to any CHP motor cop (I know several.) They expect motorcycles to lane share, and wonder why they don't when they see it. I have absolutely no qualms lane sharing behind a motor cop, or next to a CHP cruiser. If a motor cop is behind me, I'll normally get out of the way as a courtesy, and they usually wave in appreciation when I move over.
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I couldn't imagine riding a MC and not lane sharing; I consider it a perk. Since I ride more than I drive my car, I find I have to resist the urge to lane share when in my car.
=Laserjock=
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I couldn't imagine riding a MC and not lane sharing; I consider it a perk. Since I ride more than I drive my car, I find I have to resist the urge to lane share when in my car.
Then you must live in Califorina :)
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I know I'm resurrecting the dead here, but found this on my Ducati forum... Wanted to share.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Motorcycle-lane-splitting-rules-unveiled-4270272.php (http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Motorcycle-lane-splitting-rules-unveiled-4270272.php)
And, the Occifer in the article rides a C14, to boot.
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Yup, one of the main guys that got that written into the CHP website is a regular on BARF the riders forum here in the bay area. Great guy. Its getting a lot or press here.
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Corbin will shave 6" off each lid... $393... ain't cheap.
http://www.corbin.com/kawasaki/c14door.shtml (http://www.corbin.com/kawasaki/c14door.shtml)
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(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/fd505517_holy20thread20resurrection.jpg)
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The Harley-riding Mr. Bond in the article, for some reason, finds it necessary to "blatt" his pipes while filtering his way past traffic?
Go figure. ::)
Apparently H-Ds are incapable of idleing. :)
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i've been known to reach over and fold um in.
Ya, if you are lane splitting what is going to be behind you anyway?
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The Harley-riding Mr. Bond in the article, for some reason, finds it necessary to "blatt" his pipes while filtering his way past traffic?
Go figure. ::)
Apparently H-Ds are incapable of idleing. :)
And usually incapable of being un-annoying.
My neighbor across the street is a perfect example. Start the HD, RUM..... RUM RUM..... RUM...... RUM RUM..... repeat for the next 15 minutes, and then FINALLY F***ING leaves. Every single time.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s13e12-the-f-word (http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s13e12-the-f-word)
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And usually incapable of being un-annoying.
My neighbor across the street is a perfect example. Start the HD, RUM..... RUM RUM..... RUM...... RUM RUM..... repeat for the next 15 minutes, and then FINALLY F***ING leaves. Every single time.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s13e12-the-f-word (http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s13e12-the-f-word)
Sneak out there before he gets up and shut his kill switch off then watch the fun. ;)
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I think someone made flattter lids for the bags. But I also think it may have went away when Kawasaki quit making the police version of the C14.
You might want to try MC Enterprises.
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I think someone made flattter lids for the bags. But I also think it may have went away when Kawasaki quit making the police version of the C14.
Corbin does, but keep in mind the mirrors stick out farther than the side cases...
http://www.corbin.com/kawasaki/c14door.shtml (http://www.corbin.com/kawasaki/c14door.shtml)
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Keep in mind that Boomer lives in the UK where it is legal and normal to lane split and filter... IMHO it is completely different when the cagers expect the bikes to lane split and everyone, cagers and riders alike, are brought up with it from day one of driving/riding.
Recent trips to UK, Switzerland and Italy gave me the same impression. Bikes and scooters advancing to the front at stop lights were treated well and cars/trucks moved over readily for 2 wheels on the highway and in town.
Another observation. As I walked, rode and stood I looked intently into every car / truck or bus I could. NOt once did a see a phone held upside the head. They may have had other ways of that I could not see but in a couple of months over there I never saw a phone up to an ear.
I would lane split if it were legal now that I have seen it used extensively
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:P Stay in your lane -
HUMP DAY ROMANCE: STAY IN YOUR LANE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-9MRJ4pRW0#ws)
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^ ^ ^ ^ ^
He-Lair-Ee-Us! ;D
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Never would have thought of it that way....
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check the hofax... :rotflmao:
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The California Vehicle Code does not address it.
Vehicle Code 21714 makes it illegal to split lanes in a three-wheeled motorcycles or cars because they are wider than two wheeled motorcycles. Because of their extra width, there is often not enough room between cars for a three-wheeled cycle to fit safely.
So if it is Illegal only if you have 3 wheels then it must be legal if you have 2 wheels, because anything not specifically illegal is legal.
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:P Stay in your lane -
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :thumbs:
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because anything not specifically illegal is legal.
That theory sounds familiar.... oh yeah, the Constitution 10th amendment, where it says "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
We see how well THAT has worked.... the Fed just does whatever the hell it wants.