Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: patatty on November 08, 2011, 10:48:06 AM
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Hello. Newbie poster here, but have been lurking for a while. Currently ride a 2000 ZRX and am looking to add to the stable.
I have been casually shopping around for a new C14 for a couple of months and was just made aware that a local dealer has a 2011 demo for sale. I was told that it has around 150 miles on it and that its "demo" status knocks $1,000 off of the price (whatever that ends up being).
While a demo rider is not typically concerned with proper break-in, would 150 miles of demo use concern anyone here?
Thanks.
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Not to me...as long as it comes with the std warranty. I don't know if that's considered a 'new' or 'used' bike, though.
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An extra 1000 off what? There are leftover 2010's out there as well so it would really matter on the final deal
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An extra 1000 off what? There are leftover 2010's out there as well so it would really matter on the final deal
Understood. We briefly spoke on the phone and I didn't push the price issue. I'd like to see it first. I have a couple of what I think are good quotes on a new 2010 and a 2011 from other dealers. I'd go in there with the 2011 quote and tell them to take the $1k off of that.
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When I bought my 2010 ABS with zero miles on the clock they asked $16,200 out the door including tax and dealer price increase preperation. I said make it $15,000 and we have a deal. Without hesitation the sales guy said sold! And this was in April of 2010 and was the latest model. If it had it to do over again I would have said $14,000. For a 2011 demo bike when the dealer has 2012's on the floor I would ask for at least $2,000 off.
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I passed on a blue '10 demo, even though I liked the color a lot. It was the only blue one in the area at the time. Ended up with a faster '11 black instead for the same price (and that was in March '11).
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My initial thought is concern about the break-in but here are some things to consider -
Is the dealership located in an area where it would be easy for someone to really abuse the bike speed-wise?
Does the dealer have a specified "test route" that would allow excess speed?
If most test rides are like 5-10 miles, this could actually produce better break in results because the motor would have been thru numerous heat/cool cycles and the throttle position would have been varied.
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While a demo rider is not typically concerned with proper break-in, would 150 miles of demo use concern anyone here?
Not necessarily. At least in my case, when I take a demo bike for a spin I'm rather careful and don't try to get the hell out of it. Like if I had enough skills to do that to a C14 anyway ::)
However, if you have the chance, go for a low mileage one instead. I guess an owner would break in his bike properly, even if afterwards found out that the bike was not his cup of tea and decided to sell it.
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I would be concerned on how the 150 miles were spent. If many of them were near redline what affect will that have on the engine later? I don't know the answer, I would be concerned about that. You don't need to achieve light speed to go way over break in revs in first gear. Most people who would test ride a c-14 are probably older and responsible, but there are some hooligans in the connie crowd. Tuff call. It all comes down to how much will you save vs. a deal on a new left over. Personally, I would want to be financially rewarded for the additional risk.
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I know how I would test ride a C14 and I wouldn't want to buy it unless there was at least $2000 taken off the price.
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I would never buy a demo or any bike used on demo ride tours. We get opportunities up in the Ga mountains fairly often to hook up and ride any given manufacturers bikes. Trust me when I tell you that people, including myself run the **** out of them. Its kinda like a rental car (A.K.A. rent a racer). who really babies vehicles that do not belong to yourself or a close friend etc etc. Also ask this question...If given the chance to demo a bike are you going to pussy foot around or whack the throttle wide open. That alone should put this query to rest. And for what its worth you can buy new left over 11 models for back of 13k with no junk fees. I paid 13,200 in August for a silver and passed on a new black at a different seller at 13 even. Just could not deal with the all black thing. Get yourself a new one or a used one that only has had one owner that you might trust a little more than wondering if any number of the dozens of demo riders didn't smoke the clutch up or red line the thing a bunch while not broken in and ice cold. But if your the kind of guy that doesn't mind buying one of those program rental cars with about 20k easy miles on them then I say go for it.
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I think I would avoid a C-14 demo. because I suspect it was used hard / abused for those few miles. I would absolutely avoid a demo sport bike because I know how they are tested. Probably the only motorcycles I would consider buying after they had been used as demos would be either something like a Goldwing (test riders are far less likely to abuse them IMO) or something that was inherently low in power that really could not be abused, at least not just by riding the bike.
Brian
Hello. Newbie poster here, but have been lurking for a while. Currently ride a 2000 ZRX and am looking to add to the stable.
I have been casually shopping around for a new C14 for a couple of months and was just made aware that a local dealer has a 2011 demo for sale. I was told that it has around 150 miles on it and that its "demo" status knocks $1,000 off of the price (whatever that ends up being).
While a demo rider is not typically concerned with proper break-in, would 150 miles of demo use concern anyone here?
Thanks.
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My dealer won't let you ride alone. They always have a shop rider ride the route with you. So no one beats on the demo's. They actually get treated like babies. So if my dealer had a demo available I would buy it.
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Hello. Newbie poster here, but have been lurking for a while. Currently ride a 2000 ZRX and am looking to add to the stable.
Welcome! LOL!!! I came off a 2000 ZRX!! Was a great bike until I was endlessly haunted with extreme and apparently unfixable carburetor problems. The Concours is much bigger and heavier. But it is oh such much nicer- especially colder weather riding when compared to the "naked" ZRX.
I have been casually shopping around for a new C14 for a couple of months and was just made aware that a local dealer has a 2011 demo for sale. I was told that it has around 150 miles on it and that its "demo" status knocks $1,000 off of the price (whatever that ends up being). While a demo rider is not typically concerned with proper break-in, would 150 miles of demo use concern anyone here?
I don't think it would bother me all that much. You need to ask more about what "demo" means to that dealer and if it was supervised. Many people think the "break in" is mostly not needed anymore anyway (even though I did follow it, strictly). As others noted, the Concours will probably not attract the stereotypical young, irresponsible, abusive test rider. And it is "only" 150 miles... not 1,000 or something crazy.
Plus, the Concours has an excellent warranty, and it is very extendible too. Just check it very carefully for anything wrong first. Also, make sure it really is $1,000 off what a 2011 would ordinarily sell for. They are going to want to start to rid themselves of 2011 so they can carry the 2012 (even though there is zero difference between the two years, other than, apparently, black wheels and grips). So you might easily find "$1,000 off" a brand new one elsewhere.
Do what you think feels right. If you want a Concours, you will have one.... don't let a little on the price sway you too much in any direction. It won't seem like a lot later, when you have to spend on all those accessories, gear, insurance, taxes, etc, for a bike you will likely want to keep for many years.
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Welcome! LOL!!! I came off a 2000 ZRX!! Was a great bike until I was endlessly haunted with extreme and apparently unfixable carburetor problems. The Concours is much bigger and heavier. But it is oh such much nicer- especially colder weather riding when compared to the "naked" ZRX.
Thanks! I am 120 miles away from 70,000 on my ZRX right now and have never had any issues. I'll hit 70,000 on my way in to work tomorrow. Cold-weather riding is tough, though!
Also, make sure it really is $1,000 off what a 2011 would ordinarily sell for.
I have an OTD quote of $12,616 from another dealer for a new 2011 , so I'd be looking for $1k below that.
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No problem on a demo. The c14 comes with a long warranty. Plus, it is a fast bike. If someone is running oen at redline , on a test drive, good luck. That type of person has probably lost their license already.
If you study break-in, you'll see everyone KNOWS the proper method. But, every method is different. That lets me know it matters very little as logn as someoen is not doing somethign totally bizarre.
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Thanks! I am 120 miles away from 70,000 on my ZRX right now and have never had any issues. I'll hit 70,000 on my way in to work tomorrow. Cold-weather riding is tough, though!
I don't remember my mileage, but it was over 40,000. Even with heated "everything", it was almost impossible to ride at temps below 55F or so, and certainly not comfortable well above that. I rode the C-14 in 37F temps just a few days ago- with heated jacket, no prob!
My carbs starting going whacky pretty shortly after they started added Ethanol to all the gas here. I spent a lot of money trying to get it fixed, and from THREE different places, including the Kawasaki dealership. Nobody could keep it fixed. After being unable to start it for the many-ith time, I got pissed and said "that's it! I love the bike, but can't stand it anymore".
The ZRX was a great bike, but there is NOTHING I miss about it now :)
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I have an OTD quote of $12,616 from another dealer for a new 2011 , so I'd be looking for $1k below that.
AWESOME!
What a decision, 11,616 or 12,616--either way, GREAT PRICE!! Buy both!
Unless it was dropped, the demo miles would not bother me. I would go for the $11,616. A demo with thousands of miles is one thing. The few miles on this bike, is nothing.
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I was thinking $11,000 and make them change the oil for free on the demo. The new price sounds great too. Good luck!
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My experience is that demo rides are supervised and nobody ever opens the throttle very far on an unfamiliar bike on a test ride, especially a large, powerful bike so it ends up being a lot of short trips with corresponding heat cycles, varying and moderate revs, in short - perfect break in conditions.
Now a small bike or a scooter that has to be revved high to get moving, well, that may be another thing.
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I know how I would test ride a C14 and I wouldn't want to buy it unless there was at least $2000 taken off the price.
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I bought an 09 ZX-10R holdover that was advertised as a demo. It had 3 miles. Dealer said it was marked demo to sell at a lower price that Kawasaki would authorize them to advertise.
I would buy a demo with 1000 plus/minus miles with no problem. But I would never pay any more than used book price for it. And I think that would be more that $1000 off.
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I've had a couple dozen bikes, all bought used, you never truly now how hard a bike was riden by previous owners or even friends of the previous owners...
My Connie was the first "brand new" bike I've ever bought, I only bought it new because it was a leftover model and was within $1k of the used ones I found...
Last week I went and test rode a brand new VFR1200, break-in miles never even entered my mind and I hit redline many times on my rip if that tells you anything... :-\
Happy hunting! :chugbeer:
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I'd have no qualms with a demo. If the bike was seriously abused the tires would tell the tale.
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The price is the key. I have seen demo bikes that were priced higher than the same year brand new left over bikes at other dealerships.
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If we're talking Kawi factory demo's from the tents I'd buy one in a heartbeat. I've been to many of them and rode the bikes. The route is so slow and controlled not only can one torture the bike but its about impossible to get a true feel for braking and handling.
I have a friend that works for Kawi and he tries to attend these events, so usually i bypass the lines altogether. A dealer demo (which rarely exist) I wouldn't touch, I know how I've "tested" them. Starting with the rev limiter functionality testing (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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My thoughts on bikes in our category; Beemers, Wings, and other big bore tourers...the test riders are not likely to be riding the unknown beasts if they are not serious and if they do "most" of them would be careful. Full discloser here..I had not ridden for 20 years and my biggest bike previously was an 86 XL 600. With this in mind ( my mensa mind) I choose NOT to test ride my new 05 BMW LT to avoid potential embarrassment on the test -Bought it ,loved it and it launched a sport touring love. I just rode it off the lot and really hoped it acted like a bike and it did.
Long way to say I wouldn't shy away if full warranty is in effect.
Mike
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86 XL 600
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/goHonda.gif)
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I did buy a 2011 demo with 300 miles on it, I put 25 miles on it myself during a demo ride.
The dealer gave me the 1st service and $3500 off the msrp.
I would look at the class of bike, as others have said - not likely to be abused on a demo ride.
Enjoy the bike whichever way you go.
DK