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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Rowlander on May 17, 2011, 01:49:10 AM
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Before the site crash, I seem to remember a thread saying to plug or remove something to correct this. Could someone please refresh my memory? Thank You in advance.
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Guaranteed to work. http://www.holeshot.com/ (http://www.holeshot.com/)
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you could use brakes for braking instead of motor. Its what they are made for.
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Well, you have a choice: you can put one plug into the air hose on the right side of the engine, or two plugs in your ears. :D
There is an air induction hose on the top / right of the engine that draws air into the exhaust and that is what is causing the decel popping. Some folks pull the hose out of the frame (nothing retains or fastens it in there), plug it with something and reinsert it. If you do that though, be careful that the plug cannot work loose from the hose because it will end up inside the frame and will probably end up being sucked down one of the throttle bodies.
Brian
Before the site crash, I seem to remember a thread saying to plug or remove something to correct this. Could someone please refresh my memory? Thank You in advance.
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I think this is for a CA bike but I'm not sure
http://www.holeshot.com/Concours_c14/c14decel_inst.html (http://www.holeshot.com/Concours_c14/c14decel_inst.html)
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That's the one- all C-14s sold in the US have that air induction system and the way they show blocking the hose will work on any bike.
Brian
I think this is for a CA bike but I'm not sure
http://www.holeshot.com/Concours_c14/c14decel_inst.html (http://www.holeshot.com/Concours_c14/c14decel_inst.html)
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you could use brakes for braking instead of motor. Its what they are made for.
You are a genius. What's your e-mail??? Whenever we have a question, we will just go to you directly for the answer. Instead of a simple plug solution, we will just change people's perfectly legitimate riding practices. But hey, a sarcastic comment is so much more helpful than an actual contribution to the community.
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Thanks to all for the help. It is not a huge problem, just a minor annoyance that will be nice to get rid of.
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You are a genius. What's your e-mail??? Whenever we have a question, we will just go to you directly for the answer. Instead of a simple plug solution, we will just change people's perfectly legitimate riding practices. But hey, a sarcastic comment is so much more helpful than an actual contribution to the community.
well just throw some $$ at the problem ,dont try to get at the root of it or improve riding skills.
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Before the site crash, I seem to remember a thread saying to plug or remove something to correct this. Could someone please refresh my memory? Thank You in advance.
Do you have the stock exhaust or was it replaced
If it was replaced then the engine is running lean. It should not pop with the stock exhaust
Bill
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When I went to the after market exhaust the popping got bad. I put on a PCV and that reduced the popping but it still exists.
Some people are getting just a little bit snippy here. I do not use the brakes every time I close the throttle so the " use brakes for braking" comment is totally out of line.
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Even with flies in and stock exhaust the bike with have decel pops. It's just not very audible. Usually, when making modifications like pulling the flies and/or replacing exhaust will make more audible.
As suggested, plugging that line should fix it.
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It is stock exhaust. I have removed the flies and am going to install the pc today or tomorrow. While I'm at it I will throw $$ at it(25 cents) to plug the line and see if the popping goes away. Like I said, it's not a huge problem, nor is it loud, but I would like to get rid of it. I'm not part of the all out throttle or brake crowd. I'm not sure when engine braking became a sin. ;)
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Yeah the "popping" is normal and doesn't mean the bike is running lean. It's caused by an emissions system that injects fresh air (containing oxygen) into the exhaust which lets any unburnt fuel combust in the exhaust system instead of releasing it into the air. It is annoying with an aftermarket exhaust system. And I've heard it can also interfere with dyno tuning because the extra O2 can cause the wideband O2 sensor to read inaccurately. Plugging the hose will solve the problem.
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you could use brakes for braking instead of motor. Its what they are made for.
Brakes are for stopping and gears are for slowing down.......................
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Brakes are for stopping and gears are for slowing down.......................
thats one level of riding i suppose
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DaveO,
Are you saying that you never use engine braking?
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Is there any part of the bike that can be used for speeding up?
<chuckle>
Brian
Brakes are for stopping and gears are for slowing down.......................
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Just be careful to plug the line from the airbox to the head, and not the line from the airbox to the crankcase vent.
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thats one level of riding i suppose
I have been known to have many levels.
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thats one level of riding i suppose
come to Va.,and ride.....use your brakes....
then we can go over to W. Va., and you can use your brakes some more...
and then we can go to rt 129......in the south, use your brakes...
brakes are for stopping, the rest is called "throttle control".
or do you simply hit the brakes while the throttle is turned on?
do you drive a car with one foot on the brake, and the other on the gas...never mind.
sorry, just getting over the "DaveO thing"
he was a friend of ours. R.I.P.
you're new it seems.
carry on.
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come to Va.,and ride.....use your brakes....
then we can go over to W. Va., and you can use your brakes some more...
and then we can go to rt 129......in the south, use your brakes...
brakes are for stopping, the rest is called "throttle control".
or do you simply hit the brakes while the throttle is turned on?
do you drive a car with one foot on the brake, and the other on the gas...never mind.
You also left out Eastern/South Eastern Ohio.......and Tenn, NC and Northern Georgia!!!! 8)
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come to Va.,and ride.....use your brakes....
then we can go over to W. Va., and you can use your brakes some more...
and then we can go to rt 129......in the south, use your brakes...
brakes are for stopping, the rest is called "throttle control".
or do you simply hit the brakes while the throttle is turned on?
do you drive a car with one foot on the brake, and the other on the gas...never mind.
sorry, just getting over the "DaveO thing"
he was a friend of ours. R.I.P.
you're new it seems.
carry on.
i ride all those places . I was riding 129 before it got famous and just a carnival.
I never was afraid to use my brakes either .Im a big fan of brakes.
Im a very proficent,smooth braker .
I guess if you dont use them much you would never know the power and how good they can be.
Why do you not like using them?
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I'm not sure when engine braking became a sin. ;)
Amen!
+1 on what Pokey said, "brakes are for stopping, gears are for slowing down."
I kinda like the little bit of decel pop that I get on my C14. It is just a little reminder that just because my grey bike has bags doesn't make it grandpa's slow bagger.
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i ride all those places . I was riding 129 before it got famous and just a carnival.
I never was afraid to use my brakes either .Im a big fan of brakes.
Im a very proficent,smooth braker .
I guess if you dont use them much you would never know the power and how good they can be.
Why do you not like using them?
Is this gonna turn into one of those "my ding-a-ling is bigger than yours" debate? ;D
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A while back I posted a question about removing the emissions control stuff. Block off plates and stuff. This will remove the decel pop you get. Down side is I can find the information on the guy selling the kits to do this. I know its easier to just plug the line, but why not get ride of a pound or so of un-needed parts!
If anyone can direct me to the guy/website selling the kit I would be greatful!
Thanks.
dade22
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Amen!
I kinda like the little bit of decel pop that I get on my C14. It is just a little reminder that just because my grey bike has bags doesn't make it grandpa's slow bagger.
+ 1. My ZX14 pops and shoots foot long flames, my Concours pops and burbles and sometimes shoots a flame. I like em both............
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+1 on what Pokey said, "brakes are for stopping, gears are for slowing down."
with all due respect Jeremy,you are a new rider arent you??
As i said ,its one level of riding ...One of the first levels.
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with all due respect Jeremy,you are a new rider arent you??
As i said ,its one level of riding ...One of the first levels.
Ok you got me I've only been riding for a little over a year so there must me no freakin' way that I know what I'm doing......................... ::)
With all due respect DaveO, you haven't ridden with me so you have no idea what kind of riding skills I have built up since I started riding. I, by no means think that I am a great rider but I have had no problems braking in a corner and trail braking.
I just think your opinion that engine braking is a crutch rather than a tool is off base. But like the saying goes "opinion are like buttholes, everyone has one and yours stinks the worst" might apply to me. But out of most any actual riders I think you are going to be in the minority with your opinion. Lets agree to disagree. ;)
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This is the internet. There is no "agree to disagree" when your WRONG!!!
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And I sometimes use the engine to slow myself down. Guess I'm a newbie too.
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You also left out Eastern/South Eastern Ohio.......and Tenn, NC and Northern Georgia!!!! 8)
Don't forget Arkansas...Lots of engine braking going on here....And my brake pads look great.
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Does anyone have a picture or diagram as to the exact location of this hose and any ideas of a suitable plug or ways to block this hose off? Thanks
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with all due respect Jeremy,you are a new rider arent you??
As i said ,its one level of riding ...One of the first levels.
Jeremy = Newbie :rotflmao:
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:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
That's awesome!!
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Why do race bikes..........."OH" and the C14 have a slipper clutch? :stirpot:
Hmmmmmmmmm.............different levels for sure! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slipper_clutch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slipper_clutch)
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with all due respect Jeremy,you are a new rider arent you??
As i said ,its one level of riding ...One of the first levels.
So you never downshift? You descend every hill in 6th gear? Roll up to a stop sign in 6th and then click it down five times to 1st. Please enlighten me on this higher level of smooth braking. I'm not following your superior method.
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So you never downshift? You descend every hill in 6th gear? Roll up to a stop sign in 6th and then click it down five times to 1st. Please enlighten me on this higher level of smooth braking. I'm not following your superior method.
:popcorn:
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i ride all those places . I was riding 129 before it got famous and just a carnival.
I never was afraid to use my brakes either .Im a big fan of brakes.
Im a very proficent,smooth braker .
I guess if you dont use them much you would never know the power and how good they can be.
Why do you not like using them?
I've been saving my brakes for a time when I really need them, you never know. It's hard timing the stop lights and coasting to a stop each time, the folks behind me get kinda mad. Maybe one day I'll be able to ride as well as you do? Till then I'll be engine braking and saving those brake pads. ::)
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All fine and well Conrad but do you ever use the anchor? Why do you think the anchor is on the bike in the first place? Don't you watch cartoons- they always use an anchor.
Brian
I've been saving my brakes for a time when I really need them, you never know. It's hard timing the stop lights and coasting to a stop each time, the folks behind me get kinda mad. Maybe one day I'll be able to ride as well as you do? Till then I'll be engine braking and saving those brake pads. ::)
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Does anyone have a picture or diagram as to the exact location of this hose and any ideas of a suitable plug or ways to block this hose off? Thanks
In all of that excitement, one question was lost.....almost. Sorry friend, I don't have any, but I'm sure someone will help you shortly.
Ohh, almost forgot.....you can call me a Newbie, I like the idea of engine braking and saving those brake pads,too!
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Does anyone have a picture or diagram as to the exact location of this hose and any ideas of a suitable plug or ways to block this hose off? Thanks
on the zx14 it was the only hose going into top right of air box. Hose one of one. Can't see it being different on these bikes and impossible not to find. Remove hose, shove anything into hole. That didn't sound right
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You can always use the fred flintstone method. I believe this is taut is Harley's Riders Edge course
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There's a picture on the holeshot site, it's hard to get to, you need some long needle nose pliars because you can't get to it with fingers. When finished, spray some armor-all or such on the grommet and hose and it will insert easier.
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You can always use the fred flintstone method. I believe this is taut is Harley's Riders Edge course
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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Does anyone have a picture or diagram as to the exact location of this hose and any ideas of a suitable plug or ways to block this hose off? Thanks
In all of that excitement, one question was lost.....almost. Sorry friend, I don't have any, but I'm sure someone will help you shortly.
Ohh, almost forgot.....you can call me a Newbie, I like the idea of engine braking and saving those brake pads,too!
No, it wasn't lost. I posted what was needed WAY back in post #4.
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All fine and well Conrad but do you ever use the anchor? Why do you think the anchor is on the bike in the first place? Don't you watch cartoons- they always use an anchor.
Brian
An anchor you say? Hmmm, in all the cartoons that I watch they used an Acme anvil. Do you think one of those would work ok? I'll bet that I can get it chromed and be the envy of all who see it.
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There's a picture on the holeshot site, it's hard to get to, you need some long needle nose pliars because you can't get to it with fingers. When finished, spray some armor-all or such on the grommet and hose and it will insert easier.
I have had good luck with windex since it will evaporate and still help you slide the hose on.
If all else fails just use some astroglide and jam it in. ;D
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That is just silly- why would you even think of using an anvil?
The anchor is in case the rocket is too fast or burns too long after the Wiley coyote lights it. He throws the anchor out and it digs into the highway. Of course the rocket overpowers it and drags it all over the countryside but that never made me think that it was a bad idea, just that the anchor wasn't big enough.
Brian
An anchor you say? Hmmm, in all the cartoons that I watch they used an Acme anvil. Do you think one of those would work ok? I'll bet that I can get it chromed and be the envy of all who see it.
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That is just silly- why would you even think of using an anchor?
The anchor is in case the rocket is too fast or burns too long after the Wiley coyote lights it. He throws the anchor out and it digs into the highway. Of course the rocket overpowers it and drags it all over the countryside but that never made me think that it was a bad idea, just that the anchor wasn't big enough.
Brian
I bet the ACME anchor is why it didn't work. You throw out a good quality boat anchor and you will have much more favorable results.
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NO, NO, NO Ya'll got it wrong. There's no need to carry a heavy boat anchor, Just do as the welders do. Carry an extra long electrode lead. When you need to stop just throw some out. It's guarenteed to get tangled on something. ;D Ya better hold on when ya hit the end of that lead though. ;)
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I think that I've found what Wile-e-Coyote's problem is.
(http://www.reocities.com/TelevisionCity/3081/chopper.jpg)
Ain't no way he'd gonna catch that Roadrunner on that thing. He looks good though.
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I don't know where you got that photo of Cap'n Bob but I think it is in very poor taste to make fun of him that way. Maybe the best bike he could afford only had two cylinders and runs with a distinct skip....
;D
Brian
I think that I've found what Wile-e-Coyote's problem is.
(http://www.reocities.com/TelevisionCity/3081/chopper.jpg)
Ain't no way he'd gonna catch that Roadrunner on that thing. He looks good though.
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I don't know where you got that photo of Cap'n Bob but I think it is in very poor taste to make fun of him that way. Maybe the best bike he could afford only had two cylinders and runs with a distinct skip....
;D
Brian
I did say that he was lookin good, maybe that was in his younger years?
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In all seriousness, I admit that if your riding at 100% then engine braking is slow and inefficient but what are you doing riding 100% on the open road? That and no one has ever proven to me that engine braking is actually hard on the engine when it is done within reason.
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In all seriousness, I admit that if your riding at 100% then engine braking is slow and inefficient but what are you doing riding 100% on the open road? That and no one has ever proven to me that engine braking is actually hard on the engine when it is done within reason.
Engine braking is good........engine breaking is bad!!!!! :thumbs:
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Engine braking is good........engine breaking is bad!!!!! :thumbs:
I say ?Que no los dos?(why not both) Taco shell commercials...anyway... These bikes do have a slipper clutch for a reason, to prevent lock-up. Now this should not be a reason to drop down from 8 or 9k and test the slipper every time we want to slow down.
Indeed, yes we could use the brakes for every speed correction requiring deceleration. We could also buy brake pads by case as well as clean the ever living sh*t out of our bikes from the brake dust every time we go out.
Now let there be the average, rational person that has the ability to downshift at a reasonable rpm while smoothly applying both brakes in order to stop. Or to possibly use appropriate gearing in such situations as heavy traffic or downhill, where it is quite easy and reliable to shift into a gear that is more natural at attaining your desired speed instead of a constant off/on braking/throttle event.
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Good thing I am rational.....at least that is what me myself and I say.
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:popcorn:
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I did install a PCV today, and it does seem as though the popping went away. I was going to plug the tube as well, but it was just too nice of a day...
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I bet the ACME anchor is why it didn't work. You throw out a good quality boat anchor and you will have much more favorable results.
Are you implying that ACME anchor quaility isn't what it should be? It's an ACME, none better!
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Anchor Systems
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Two 40-lb. Modified Danforth-style Anchors with 3/8" chains & shackles
One 12" Hard-skinned Mooring Buoy
Two Extra Large Red Inflatable Marker Buoys
One spool of 1/2" polypropylene rope (1,000 ft.)
One spool of 5/8" polypropylene rope (600 ft.)
Snatch blocks, tie bridles and other anchoring accessories are also available. Components are available individually.
For a quote, give us a call: 918-836-7184.
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Are you implying that ACME anchor quaility isn't what it should be? It's an ACME, none better!
Wil E Coyote always seems to have bad luck and ACME is his lone supplier. You be the judge.
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Wil E Coyote always seems to have bad luck and ACME is his lone supplier. You be the judge.
You have a point there Jer.
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