Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Maverick on August 21, 2011, 09:17:00 AM
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After getting gas, the bike would not start and the dash showed a message "immobilizer error" along with a top left red light on, I switched off and on the main red right switch then the bike started again.
I would just like to understand what this message meant, as I would not like to be stranded and not knowing what could be done.
Any ideas?
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There is a known issue between KiPass and some Mobil gas pumps (petrol pumps?) if the pump has a remote reading feature called (I think) Speedpass, which is a system where a person can buy fuel with nothing other than a fob from Mobil. It is very much like KiPass and apparently interferes with that system. Moving the bike a few feet away from the pump seems to end the problem.
Do you have a similar service where you are? If so that might be the problem.
Brian
After getting gas, the bike would not start and the dash showed a message "immobilizer error" along with a top left red light on, I switched off and on the main red right switch then the bike started again.
I would just like to understand what this message meant, as I would not like to be stranded and not knowing what could be done.
Any ideas?
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Aliens?
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Yes, I think he is Dutch.
(now go ahead and tell me that wasn't witty....)
Brian
Aliens?
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Yes, I think he is Dutch.
(now go ahead and tell me that wasn't witty....)
Brian
Yes Brian, well done.
(http://www.hammond.com/imagescards/thumbnail/gold-star-congratulations.jpg)
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Oh well, here we go again adding humor and self perceived wit. :banghead:
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Yes, I think he is Dutch.
(now go ahead and tell me that wasn't witty....)
Brian
Thanks Brian, indeed I was at an Esso gas station ( Exxon Mobil) in Europe, but I had taken gas many times there without any issue...
BTW, I am a US citizen, living in the Netherlands !!
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Thanks Brian, indeed I was at an Esso gas station ( Exxon Mobil) in Europe, but I had taken gas many times there without any issue...
BTW, I am a US citizen, living in the Netherlands !!
If this country keeps heading toward the sewer, I am debating moving there someday.
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Does Esso have some type of 'automatic' recognition system for its customers? As I said, Mobil calls it Speedpass here and it is apparently on the same frequency as the fobs are on US bikes (I believe you are on a different frequency in Europe).
OFFTOPIC: I have spent a little time in The Netherlands; we have friends in a small town named Arcen, near Venlo. I spent a day driving over that new reclamation project on the coast- amazing feat of civil engineering! Nice country and nice people as long as you do not tell them that Dutch sounds like German to a native English speaker. :D
Brian
Thanks Brian, indeed I was at an Esso gas station ( Exxon Mobil) in Europe, but I had taken gas many times there without any issue...
BTW, I am a US citizen, living in the Netherlands !!
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After getting gas, the bike would not start and the dash showed a message "immobilizer error" along with a top left red light on, I switched off and on the main red right switch then the bike started again.
I would just like to understand what this message meant, as I would not like to be stranded and not knowing what could be done.
Any ideas?
B.D.F. may be right. A friend and I just did a 4250 mile trip through North Carolina then up through Canada and around the top of the Great Lakes then back down through Minnesota. At one gas stop I shut off the bike and filled up then when I pushed the key, nothing. I can't remember which brand it was but it was one that accepted some sort of fob payment. After a brief moment of panic, my buddy told me he'd heard of some fob payment pumps interfering with KiPass and to push the bike away from the pump; I did and all was good.
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Oh well, here we go again adding humor and self perceived wit. :banghead:
Whatever shall we do?
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Hey, you want free entertainment and you want it to be good too?
Brian
Whatever shall we do?
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Hey, you want free entertainment and you want it to be good too?
Brian
Is that too much to ask? ;)
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I was expecting a thread about a spouse 8)
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I still chanced it and went away on a 1500 mile ride, no problem at all.
I changed the FOB battery and W40'd the ignition spring,to minimize Keypass issues.
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I still chanced it and went away on a 1500 mile ride, no problem at all.
I changed the FOB battery and W40'd the ignition spring,to minimize Keypass issues.
You sprayed WD40 into the ignition?
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I thought we were just supposed to remove the key and rinse the assembly out with a garden hose now and then....
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/HosenKiPass2.jpg)
Is this not the correct method?
Brian
You sprayed WD40 into the ignition?
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I thought we were just supposed to remove the key and rinse the assembly out with a garden hose now and then....
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/HosenKiPass2.jpg)
Is this not the correct method?
Brian
Seems fine to me.
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thats the way 8)
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You sprayed WD40 into the ignition?
If Brian's technique does not work, yes you can spray some WD40 as shown below, sometimes the spring gets stuck and you cannot start the bike with this damn keypass ! It may not be strong enough after all for this system.
(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6594/img2255fs8.jpg)
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I will not speak for Conrad but I think his concern is that WD 40 starts out very thin but eventually turns into a pretty thick paste. It might not be the best thing to spray into that activation switch.
There is supposedly a stronger spring that Kawasaki is supplying but I have not seen one and there is no official word from Kawasaki. The ignition switch assembly has been superceded on the earlier C-14's (GTR's) but no one knows exactly what the changes were.
A sticking activation switch and interference from a fuel pump are two different problems and not related to each other. If the switch sticks you cannot activate KiPass. Interference will cause the system to fail to find a valid fob but you will be able to power the system up by pressing down on the key. So if you press the key and the system powers up but has radio interference from a fuel pump, you should get some type of warning on the LCD. If the activation switch is stuck down you will not see anything on the LCD at all. Also if moving the bike away from the fuel pump 'cures' the problem, it was radio interference, not a sticking activation switch.
Brian
If Brian's technique does not work, yes you can spray some WD40 as shown below, sometimes the spring gets stuck and you cannot start the bike with this damn keypass ! It may not be strong enough after all for this system.
(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6594/img2255fs8.jpg)
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I will not speak for Conrad but I think his concern is that WD 40 starts out very thin but eventually turns into a pretty thick paste. It might not be the best thing to spray into that activation switch.Brian
Well said Brian, that was my concern. Ask any locksmith and they'll tell you NEVER to spray WD40 into a lock. I made that mistake once in the building that I work in and I thought that the locksmith was going to have a stoke when I told him what I had done. A good quality silicone spray would be way better for this application.
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I just use an electrical contact cleaner type spray every now and again.
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Well said Brian, that was my concern. Ask any locksmith and they'll tell you NEVER to spray WD40 into a lock. I made that mistake once in the building that I work in and I thought that the locksmith was going to have a stoke when I told him what I had done. A good quality silicone spray would be way better for this application.
That is right, and that is why I do not put the WD40 into the lock, just around it. Into a lock it will accumulate and turn into a thick substance coz it has nowhere to go, just make sure that it can drip out and you will be fine.
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I just use an electrical contact cleaner type spray every now and again.
Would that be the one with the same solvent as the can of brake cleaner? :'(
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I don't know. Could be. I have a can that I've had for a few years that's still good but I didn't read the fine print. My last check with brake cleaners was that there were multiple formulations and some work better than others.
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That's probably fine if it is an alcohol based cleaner but if it is that harsh solvent, it <might> attach some plastic parts in the ign. switch assembly, and maybe especially the activation switch. Someone else mentioned brake cleaner as a comparison and that is a great example of something harsh enough to do damage to plastic. I am not criticizing that method because for all I know it could be fine, just sayin'.
In the early days I did spray silicone spray into the switch assembly a couple of times but stopped doing that because I really don't know what the 'right thing' is for the activation switch. Silicone spray can tend to leave a waxy film behind and that could make a mess of internal parts too. In the end I guess I just gave up thinking about it and decided to spend my excess worrying time thinking about that 17 year old kid behind me who is bearing down on me while texting.....
Brian
I just use an electrical contact cleaner type spray every now and again.
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That's the reason I asked. The harsh chemical is usually perchloroethylene. Used as an industrial degreaser and cleaner. Also used by your friendly neighorhood drycleaner. Used as intended it is a worthy product. It does attack most plastics and is murder on powercoat.
It breaks down under open flame and red hot elements(heaters,cigarette coal, etc) into hydrocloric acid and phosgene gas. Just say'n.
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That's the reason I asked. The harsh chemical is usually perchloroethylene. Used as an industrial degreaser and cleaner. Also used by your friendly neighorhood drycleaner. Used as intended it is a worthy product. It does attack most plastics and is murder on powercoat.
It breaks down under open flame and red hot elements(heaters,cigarette coal, etc) into hydrocloric acid and phosgene gas. Just say'n.
Very very familiar with perc. Had an incident in a plant environment many years ago.....phosgene was mentioned.
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That's the reason I asked. The harsh chemical is usually perchloroethylene. Used as an industrial degreaser and cleaner. Also used by your friendly neighorhood drycleaner. Used as intended it is a worthy product. It does attack most plastics and is murder on powercoat.
It breaks down under open flame and red hot elements(heaters,cigarette coal, etc) into hydrocloric acid and phosgene gas. Just say'n.
Sounds like some nasty stuff!
Hey Brian! Maybe you could use some of this on that 17 year old texter that's been following you around?
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... yeah, spray it on his windshield, leave a nasty film on it... Behind The Green Windshield. :o
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I would be afraid he / she wouldn't notice..... they don't really pay attention very well. But then again, gagging does tend to grab a person's attention.
Brian
Sounds like some nasty stuff!
Hey Brian! Maybe you could use some of this on that 17 year old texter that's been following you around?