Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Dade22 on August 17, 2011, 08:08:47 PM
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Anyone have the procedure in pdf or doc form for removing front and back wheels? Dealer wants 120.00 to remove and install new tires. I hear its easy so I thought I may just do it myself.
(other than having the tires mounted and ballanced)...dont have the equipment.
Thanks
Dade22
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PM sent. send me your email address and I'll send you the pages in .pdf
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$120 seems high, especially if you bought the tires from them. You can literally have the rear wheel off in 5 minutes and the front can be off in less than 10.
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PM replied!
Thanks
I thought it was easier than they said.
Dade22
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$60 each seems about normal for R&R on the bike.
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Concours 14 Rear Tire Replacement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ1kDWLiRDc#ws)
Concours 14 Front Tire Replacement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74hUL2WrX-Y#ws)
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Conrad, thanks for the video!!!! I'm confident I can do that now!
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$60 each seems about normal for R&R on the bike.
I know the guy had the tools ready to go in the video, but a shop charging $120 for R&R! Come on....less than 20 minutes off and replacement another 20 with a 5 minute buffer! $120 for 45 minutes plus mounting and balancing charges. Seems a tad STEEP!
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Conrad, thanks for the video!!!! I'm confident I can do that now!
I don't think that it could be any easier than that eh? Unless you watched someone else do it for you while sipping an adult beverage.
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I just did my 08 Concours, for the 3rd time. 4th set of tires. Easiest of any bike I've owned. The only part I don't like is leaving the bike propped up with both wheels missing. I use the centerstand and a block under the oil pan. Then I hook up some straps from the rafters to the handle bars. That is mostly to keep it from tipping in case it gets nudged.
Put on Michelin PR3 tires. First ride this morning going to work. There aren't many things that feel better than new tires on a bike! ;D
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Wow. Thanks for the videos. Crazy stupid easy! Only tools I don't have is a torque wrench and a bike jack. I have a solution to the jack but it looks like I'll be picking up a torque wrench.
Did you use a stainless steal cotter pin?
Thanks again.
Dade22
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My dealer charges $75.00 per tire if you bring the bike in and $25.00 per tire if you bring the wheels off the bike. If you buy the new shoes from them the mount/balance is free with wheel off the bike (thats what I do).
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The dealer in Lawton, OK charged $133 for a PR2 front and $30 more to R2 mount and balance. The one thing I will miss about OK when I move!
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Is the guy using the canes in the second video there to remind us to make sure we do it right? :(
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Just remember to mark one of them "F" and the other one "R" so they don't get mixed up at the dealer.
Sorry, I could not resist. :D
Brian
Anyone have the procedure in pdf or doc form for removing front and back wheels? Dealer wants 120.00 to remove and install new tires. I hear its easy so I thought I may just do it myself.
(other than having the tires mounted and ballanced)...dont have the equipment.
Thanks
Dade22
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Removing the caliper mounting bolts is harder than I had anticipated. Looking at them, it looks like they require allen wrenches. I definitely don't want to strip the bolts. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Those are my videos... I charge 10.00 on or off the bike for tire changes.
Get Allen sockets - Craftsman.
The bolts are fairly strong. I can't imagine you rounding them out unless you use the wrong size.
They are tha same size as the axle pinch bolts.
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Is the guy using the canes in the second video there to remind us to make sure we do it right? :(
www.Serpsworld.com (http://www.Serpsworld.com) Click the link Soil Samples for an eye opener. Even the best riders crash.
Glynn is a very close friend of mine. I doubt there is anyone on the C-14 forum who is more into bikes than him.
He just hit a deer July 3rd in mid GA heading home and totalled his Bandit 1200 with 100,000 miles.
He earned those canes in 1997 when a car riding the double yellow and he hit some dirt in the turn on US28 just north of Franklin, NC.
He broke his back. It was one of the worst crashes I have witnessed.
He was at my house for Christmas three months later and back on a bike in six months.
He can not walk without the canes but he can ride a bike like a madman.
Most riders in the Tampa Bay area either know him or have seen him at the Hess in Brooksville.
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Anyone know what brand tire changer Conrad uses in his video. It makes it real easy.
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Anyone know what brand tire changer Conrad uses in his video. It makes it real easy.
Those aren't my vids, I just posted the link. That's MikeERideWNC changing those tires out, see post #16 above.
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I am trying to remove the front wheel. When i turn te axle it just turns on both sides but does not come out. What am i doing wrong
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I am trying to remove the front wheel. When i turn te axle it just turns on both sides but does not come out. What am i doing wrong
Two approaches:
1) If you have two hex bits to fit, use one to hold and the other to turn.
2) Most just leave the pinch bolts tight on one side and unbolt the other side of the axle. The loosen the pinch bolts. As I recall the head is on the RH side and the "bolt" part is on the LH side but either way it will work.
Sometimes the two pieces get really tight. I had to use an impact wrench on mine.
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Two approaches:
1) If you have two hex bits to fit, use one to hold and the other to turn.
2) Most just leave the pinch bolts tight on one side and unbolt the other side of the axle. The loosen the pinch bolts. As I recall the head is on the RH side and the "bolt" part is on the LH side but either way it will work.
Sometimes the two pieces get really tight. I had to use an impact wrench on mine.
^^^^werd
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The nut is on the left side and the axle installs from the right. You are correct in that you can leave the pinch bolts on either side tight and remove the 'other' side but if the nut is removed, the axle will still be in place and those pinch bolts will have to be loosened to also remove the axle. Put another way, it does matter which side you loosen: loosen the right side pinch bolts, unscrew the axle from the right hand side of the bike and you can leave the nut installed in the fork. So you can loosen the pinch bolts on one side only but only if it is the right side loosened.
For whatever it is worth, I would not use an impact wrench on any part of the chassis containing bearings. I understand the poster quoted here was referencing loosening the axle that way but still, there is a lot of.... well, impact when using an impact wrench. :-) I would suggest a breaker bar instead.
Brian
Two approaches:
1) If you have two hex bits to fit, use one to hold and the other to turn.
2) Most just leave the pinch bolts tight on one side and unbolt the other side of the axle. The loosen the pinch bolts. As I recall the head is on the RH side and the "bolt" part is on the LH side but either way it will work.
Sometimes the two pieces get really tight. I had to use an impact wrench on mine.
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Is that the right side as you are sitting on the bike?
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Right and Left are as you sit on the bike. Your right is the throttle side. The left would be the clutch side. References to right and left come from your sitting position.
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The nut is on the left side and the axle installs from the right. You are correct in that you can leave the pinch bolts on either side tight and remove the 'other' side but if the nut is removed, the axle will still be in place and those pinch bolts will have to be loosened to also remove the axle. Put another way, it does matter which side you loosen: loosen the right side pinch bolts, unscrew the axle from the right hand side of the bike and you can leave the nut installed in the fork. So you can loosen the pinch bolts on one side only but only if it is the right side loosened.
For whatever it is worth, I would not use an impact wrench on any part of the chassis containing bearings. I understand the poster quoted here was referencing loosening the axle that way but still, there is a lot of.... well, impact when using an impact wrench. :-) I would suggest a breaker bar instead.
Brian
Yes, I agree to a point but there are times when it saves the day. I had already been wrenching with a breaker bar and rather than turning the soft aluminum of the axle nut was just giving way against the cold hard steel of my hex bit. I decided to try to use the impact rather than rounding out the inside and having to cut it out. The impact took it right off and I could see that it was corroded. So I replaced it.
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Right and left as it applies to the vehicle's normal or predominant direction of travel. That goes for all vehicles, all of the time. It also applies to beasts of burden, homo sapiens sapiens, turtles, birds, etc., etc.
Sorry- a sore spot of mine: people confuse which side of the car is which and that should simply not be possible. No matter which side a car is driven from (right hand drive as is used in England, left hand drive as is used in the US), the left is always the left.
OFFTOPIC: the only one that is the least bit confusing that I know of is a backhoe because it has two normal modes of operation, one is being driven and the other is using the hoe to dig. So, all parts associated with the tractor are 'handed' via traveling with the front wheels forward, all parts of the backhoe and its operation are 'handed' via the digging position, which is opposite. So moving the boom on a backhoe to the right will move it behind the left wheels :-)
Brian
Is that the right side as you are sitting on the bike?
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Yep, whatever works for you works for me. I was merely making a suggestion to others and I will repeat it: I would suggest not using an impact wrench on any parts that are bearing mounted, including both axles.
As far as rounding the nut, the easiest way I can think of to avoid that would be to leave the nut clamped in the fork end and unscrew the (steel) axle. The hex will not round before the axle unscrews or the wall of the axle tubing shears so either way, it will come out. ;)
Brian
Yes, I agree to a point but there are times when it saves the day. I had already been wrenching with a breaker bar and rather than turning the soft aluminum of the axle nut was just giving way against the cold hard steel of my hex bit. I decided to try to use the impact rather than rounding out the inside and having to cut it out. The impact took it right off and I could see that it was corroded. So I replaced it.
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Right and left as it applies to the vehicle's normal or predominant direction of travel. That goes for all vehicles, all of the time. It also applies to beasts of burden, homo sapiens sapiens, turtles, birds, etc., etc.
This is another reason why I like the nautical industry. There is absolutely no way to confuse this issue when one side is port and the other starboard. Domestically or internationally, its universal.
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Yep, that makes sense. But the great news is that it also applies to all vehicles, on land, water or air too. Where most people get confused is the starboard / right / green thingy. Easy to remember way is that all the short words go together: Port, left, red. The Red light is on the left side or the port side. Seems so simple and yet the third mate on the Stockholm managed to misunderstand that (and the range) sufficiently to send the Andrea Doria to the bottom.
On the C-14, the axle screws in from the right while the nut is on the left (clutch side). So leave the nut pinch bolts alone, loosen the axle pinch bolts and the axle can not only be unscrewed but also removed out the right side. The nut really never needs to be removed for any normal kind of maintenance.
Brian
This is another reason why I like the nautical industry. There is absolutely no way to confuse this issue when one side is port and the other starboard. Domestically or internationally, its universal.
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Thanks for the info Brian.
I do agree with you about people getting port and stbd confused. It's comparable to 24 hr time. That confuses many also.
The Andrea Doria, the Mt. EVEREST of scuba diving. That was once on my bucket list, but is now far out of reach.
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That brings back memories. It instantly brought back to me a picture of Captain Calamai that I saw in a magazine many years ago. It wasn't flattering and for some reason I can't find it on the web.
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WAY OFFTOPIC: just to respond to Jim but I think I will start a thread about that incident in the open forum.....
That accident ruined both his career as well as his life. And he WAS NOT AT FAULT but that was the findings of the inquires into the incident. He spend the rest of his life depressed, in seclusion and did not live long. Very sad turn of events for the gentleman.
And who knows- maybe he had a motorcycle at home with a stuck front axle as well.... oh, the humanity. (see how I walked us all the way back to sorta' on topic subtly there?)
Brian
That brings back memories. It instantly brought back to me a picture of Captain Calamai that I saw in a magazine many years ago. It wasn't flattering and for some reason I can't find it on the web.
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Yes, the time thingy- in Europe, at least the places I have been or done business with, there is only one 7:00 O'clock per day! A better system I think.
My brother was invited to dive on the Andrea Doria back in the late 80's. For various reasons he did not go. One of the party did die after the assent though which is typical for such a deep, free- dive unfortunately.
Brian
Thanks for the info Brian.
I do agree with you about people getting port and stbd confused. It's comparable to 24 hr time. That confuses many also.
The Andrea Doria, the Mt. EVEREST of scuba diving. That was once on my bucket list, but is now far out of reach.
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Yes, the time thingy- in Europe, at least the places I have been or done business with, there is only one 7:00 O'clock per day! A better system I think.
My brother was invited to dive on the Andrea Doria back in the late 80's. For various reasons he did not go. One of the party did die after the assent though which is typical for such a deep, free- dive unfortunately.
Brian
A dive on that boat is not for the inexperienced. Many have died on those dives. I was very close to being ready to undertake such an endeavor. But for some reason, after my move to Florida, I let my enthusiasm for diving fade.
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I have tried all those things and none of them worked. What are my options for making it come off
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I have tried all those things and none of them worked. What are my options for making it come off
Perhaps it would help if you posted some specifics of what you did and what is the current situation. Photos might help. But if you've done the things suggested, either the axle would be loosened, the lands would be totally rounded out, or the axle would be broken.
If it is still just turning, then you need to tighten up the pinch bolts on the one side so it doesn't turn. If you can't tighten it enough then there is a problem with your technique or the axle.
Worst case scenario? The threads are corrosion-welded together. Have you tried penetrating oil? If so, the only other suggestion I have is to cut through the spacer and the axle with a hacksaw or a Sawzall-type saw. That should allow you to pull the pieces out each side and remove the wheel. Of course you'll need to replace the axle but if it's that frozen, you'll want to replace it anyway.
I still think you'll have success with TWO 22mm HEX bits (I suggest 1/2" drive) and TWO breaker bars. I know it sounds silly but be SURE you are applying torque in the proper direction. If needed, get an assistant to hold one of the breaker bars while you work the other one.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/214m7uqcb3L.jpg)
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I use this with the appropriate end to fit into the axle.. Note that you can always add a pipe to increase the length and leverage.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3943/15632320452_76210dc463_s.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pPnJfq)
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Note that you can always add a pipe to increase the length and leverage.
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www.Serpsworld.com (http://www.Serpsworld.com) Click the link Soil Samples for an eye opener. Even the best riders crash.
Glynn is a very close friend of mine. I doubt there is anyone on the C-14 forum who is more into bikes than him.
He just hit a deer July 3rd in mid GA heading home and totalled his Bandit 1200 with 100,000 miles.
He earned those canes in 1997 when a car riding the double yellow and he hit some dirt in the turn on US28 just north of Franklin, NC.
He broke his back. It was one of the worst crashes I have witnessed.
He was at my house for Christmas three months later and back on a bike in six months.
He can not walk without the canes but he can ride a bike like a madman.
Most riders in the Tampa Bay area either know him or have seen him at the Hess in Brooksville.
:finger_fing11: :chugbeer: plenty of good stories on that site.
Do you happen to know how many S&P shakers are in that collection (adventure tour)? I'm looking at our china cabinet that has 80 sets in it, and have at least another 100 sets in boxes in the craft room down stairs. Some of these sets are over 80 years old. Handed down from my wife's grandmother.
"If your not living on the edge your taking up space." I like the quote.
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:) good one ,Max
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sigh..