Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: DonB on August 12, 2011, 08:56:34 PM
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Is the only change for 2012 the color? looks like it will be the blue they had in 2010
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Is the only change for 2012 the color? looks like it will be the blue they had in 2010
There is nothing on the main site. Not here either: http://newproductlaunch.kawasaki.com/Products/AllNew2012Products.aspx (http://newproductlaunch.kawasaki.com/Products/AllNew2012Products.aspx) Further searched revealed nothing.
I don't suspect there will be any changes for the 2012 model, anyway (other than completely dropping non-ABS models).
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There is nothing on the main site. Not here either: http://newproductlaunch.kawasaki.com/Products/AllNew2012Products.aspx (http://newproductlaunch.kawasaki.com/Products/AllNew2012Products.aspx) Further searched revealed nothing.
I don't suspect there will be any changes for the 2012 model, anyway (other than completely dropping non-ABS models).
I thought they did that with the 2011.
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I thought they did that with the 2011.
In the US they did, but I believe I read that there were non-ABS bikes sold in other markets.
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When will they release the 2012 pics? :popcorn:
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I'm not ready for a new one yet but some different colors and factory cruise control would certainly get me thinking about it.
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Already got the 2012.
Colour of your choice
ZX1400 twin exhaust system
;)
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Time machine eh Kiwi, or should we call you doc... ;)
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Already got the 2012.
Colour of your choice
ZX1400 twin exhaust system
;)
That's purdy!
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I don't know about Kawasaki but Honda doesn't release any information until after the dealer show which is usually in September.
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Kiwi,
What trunk is that?
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As long as they don't mess with KiPass in any way, the 2012 will b e a bad mo-fo
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Factory cruise control???
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I don't know about Kawasaki but Honda doesn't release any information until after the dealer show which is usually in September.
My local dealer verified this, said September is the show and when they'll announce anything.
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Kiwi,
What trunk is that?
Its a colour matched Givi e52 Maxia, it has a e95s back pad fitted now too.
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I hope that Mama Kaw will at least do a software change within the ABS system to allow a 3rd braking option. One that will allow the rear brake peddle to only apply the rear breaks.
Oh .... and a factory cruise control plug-and-play option would be nice.
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I hope that Mama Kaw will at least do a software change within the ABS system to allow a 3rd braking option. One that will allow the rear brake peddle to only apply the rear breaks.
Oh .... and a factory cruise control plug-and-play option would be nice.
Hmmm....already have that option with ABS on the 08/09s.
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:P :P :P ;D
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Hmmm....already have that option with ABS on the 08/09s.
Then I wonder why it's not available on my 2011? :'(
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Factory cruise control???
never (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/iconrant.gif)
They don't want to "go in the sweet zone" with such as the euro sport-tourers and gold-wingers, plus they may have to add a couple of hundred to production costs.
KiPass works so well I can live without it ;D
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Then I wonder why it's not available on my 2011? :'(
Because we got the "upgraded" version (linked brakes). :pukeface:
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Then I wonder why it's not available on my 2011? :'(
Because they know what is best for us <sarcasm>
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Then I wonder why it's not available on my 2011? :'(
It's actually quite interesting about that. Kwak engineering went out of their way to not link the brakes saying it was for 'performance'. Seems they went 'backwards' on the 10/11 bikes. Glad I bought early in the program, although I think I would have liked traction control.
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I agree a third option of no linked brakes would be nice, It is a little disconcerting when cranked over and trail braking to get the front to dive on you. Is there something that can be overided in the electrikery of the system to stop the linking?
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Not that we're aware of....
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I agree a third option of no linked brakes would be nice, It is a little disconcerting when cranked over and trail braking to get the front to dive on you. Is there something that can be overided in the electrikery of the system to stop the linking?
I don't think you will find that option EVAH! The linked brakes are tied into the ABS. Start playing with the linked part and you invariably start playing with the ABS part....
Like 'em or not, I think linked brakes are here to stay. Big Brother says they're safer...... <SARCASM>
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The linked brakes on my 2010 abs suck badly. I hate the diving front sensation you get in traffic using foot and hand brakes together. I have been relearning the whole braking control by using just the rear pedal in traffic. It tends to dip a lot less. You almost don't need the front lever there anymore. The problem will be when I get on a bike, like my old 2008, and just use the rear brake pedal and die. I remember how little they could do to stop you.
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I don't think you will find that option EVAH! The linked brakes are tied into the ABS. Start playing with the linked part and you invariably start playing with the ABS part....
Like 'em or not, I think linked brakes are here to stay. Big Brother says they're safer...... <SARCASM>
You seem to be forgetting that the 08/09 C14's ABS was/is not linked. The only thing keeping Kawi from unlinking future ABS brakes is a management/sales decision, not an engineering restriction.
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That is usually true but I do not think that is the case on a C-14- the linked aspect of the brakes are done in software and not a hard- wired part of the ABS system. I remember something about Kawasaki advertising that very thing. Also, they are supposed to be unlinked below 12 MPH as I remember; that pretty clearly shows that the link function of the brakes can be turned on or off at will without defeating the ABS aspect of the brakes.
I still have an '08 though and working on memory here- are your brakes not linked at low speed? I would think you would have to activate them at low speeds to have them <not be> linked because just decelerating through 12 MPH and having either brake disengage 'automatically' would be a nasty surprise.
Brian
I don't think you will find that option EVAH! The linked brakes are tied into the ABS. Start playing with the linked part and you invariably start playing with the ABS part....
Like 'em or not, I think linked brakes are here to stay. Big Brother says they're safer...... <SARCASM>
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I still have an '08 though and working on memory here- are your brakes not linked at low speed? I would think you would have to activate them at low speeds to have them <not be> linked because just decelerating through 12 MPH and having either brake disengage 'automatically' would be a nasty surprise.
Good thought process. I would speculate that they are always linked, or that it would unlink them gradually. I have not seen or read anything that would indicate they are unlinked at any speed, however. You would think such important information would be at least in the damn user's manual! Braking behavior is critical to safety, and linked brakes can be dramatically different than unlinked.
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Well, as far as the brake 'unlinking' (is that a word?) I am going strictly by memory. I remember reading that the brakes were not linked below a certain (low) speed so that the rear brake could be used alone. I just took a look at the Kawasaki web site and did not see anything about this so maybe they do NOT have that feature? Perhaps it was speculation or an early 'hoped for' feature on the second generation C-14's that did not actually materialize?
I was speculating about how they would have to unlink though; it almost certainly not occur after the brakes were engaged because of the surprise factor of either the front or rear brake suddenly going inactive. So if they were in fact not linked at low speed, I would think that would only be the case if the brake (either front or rear) was engaged below the 'unlink' speed in the first place.
It is also possible that I heard it from Kirby and so is totally incorrect because he lies. ;) But seriously, I do remember reading / hearing about this new 'feature' a long time ago. ??
Brian
Good thought process. I would speculate that they are always linked, or that it would unlink them gradually. I have not seen or read anything that would indicate they are unlinked at any speed, however. You would think such important information would be at least in the damn user's manual! Braking behavior is critical to safety, and linked brakes can be dramatically different than unlinked.
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Well, as far as the brake 'unlinking' (is that a word?) I am going strictly by memory. I remember reading that the brakes were not linked below a certain (low) speed so that the rear brake could be used alone. I just took a look at the Kawasaki web site and did not see anything about this so maybe they do NOT have that feature? Perhaps it was speculation or an early 'hoped for' feature on the second generation C-14's that did not actually materialize?
I was speculating about how they would have to unlink though; it almost certainly not occur after the brakes were engaged because of the surprise factor of either the front or rear brake suddenly going inactive. So if they were in fact not linked at low speed, I would think that would only be the case if the brake (either front or rear) was engaged below the 'unlink' speed in the first place.
It is also possible that I heard it from Kirby and so is totally incorrect because he lies. ;) But seriously, I do remember reading / hearing about this new 'feature' a long time ago. ??
Brian
I have read the same thing. It's late and I'm tired, so this is from memory and not research.
Possibilities:
Brakes unlink dropping below 12mph
Brakes unlink if stopping begins below 12mph
ABS disengages dropping below 12mph
ABS does not engage below 12mph
Function is on C14 KTRAC/ABS
Function is on Vulcan Voyager KTRAC/ABS
Something tells me it was on the Voyager. IIRC, linking/abs did not engage below 12mph.
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I can feel my brakes unlink at 12 MPH as they're supposed to.
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One thing for sure, this internet "herd mentality" about the brakes sucking is incredible. There is not a think wrong with the linked brakes on the '10, '11 models. Sounds like a bunch of old wiminz in here griping (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
You guys scared me so bad I took the HONDA out tonight, plus I needed to test an old camera I picked up for pennies anyway!
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That is usually true but I do not think that is the case on a C-14- the linked aspect of the brakes are done in software and not a hard- wired part of the ABS system. I remember something about Kawasaki advertising that very thing. Also, they are supposed to be unlinked below 12 MPH as I remember; that pretty clearly shows that the link function of the brakes can be turned on or off at will without defeating the ABS aspect of the brakes.
I still have an '08 though and working on memory here- are your brakes not linked at low speed? I would think you would have to activate them at low speeds to have them <not be> linked because just decelerating through 12 MPH and having either brake disengage 'automatically' would be a nasty surprise.
Brian
There are basically two ways to link the front and rear brakes: hardware and software.
Hardware: a plunger takes the hydraulic pressure from the (in this case) brake pedal and distributes it to front and rear. By different arrangements you can get totally integral brakes system (regardless of pedal or lever, front and rear brakes are actuated) or parcial, like in the C14 or some BMWs (but in both cases it is not achieved this way). An interesting vehicle regarding this topic is the Piaggio MP3, which has front brakes actuated by the right lever, rear brakes actuated by the left lever, and both circuits actuated by the pedal. The latter is required by law in Europe so you can drive it with a car driving license.
Software: you extend the functions of the ABS pump to provide the pressure needed in front and rear circuit, and choose the input pressure from lever or pedal, or both. This is of course the most preferred arrangement because it provides flexibility at the time of choosing how to stop the vehicle. For example, it allows to deactivate the link under certain speed.
In the C14, the partial integral system is software implemented, and just like the ECU was craked and tweaked, so it can be the part of the software controlling the brakes. The ABS does work under and beyond 12 mph, regardless of which wheel is braking. The ABS simply compares speeds, not hydraulic pressures, and modulates with a delta-pressure until speeds match (approx.). If somebody messes with the brake distribution, it won't affect the ABS capabilities.
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Hopefully... :o
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Linked Brakes, Anti-Lock Brakes, Traction Control Systems, Engine Management with Secondary Butterflies,......
Who is riding this bike, me, or the f***ing computers? >:(
Bloody nanny state!
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Back to 2012........any new updates on the new model year, or is wait for September the consensus?
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Dealer here says wait till Sept
also he is offering a pretty good deal on a 2011 on the floor. I am having trouble deciding. pull the trigger or wait.
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One thing for sure, this internet "herd mentality" about the brakes sucking is incredible. There is not a think wrong with the linked brakes on the '10, '11 models. Sounds like a bunch of old wiminz in here griping (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol.gif)
You guys scared me so bad I took the HONDA out tonight, plus I needed to test an old camera I picked up for pennies anyway!
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/Honda%20650%20XL/20110817-DSC_0082.jpg)
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Havent heard anyone say the brakes suck bro! The front brake on mine is brilliant.
For me its about feel, I use the rear brake to tighten lines, manage rear grip on the gas and balance the bike during hard braking (the linking doesnt really effect this) doing the former two with linked brakes is not recommended because it unbalances the bike (the opposite of what I'm trying to do) thats why I'd like a 'disable' option on the brakes)
I may be 'old school' or spent too many years racing (with 'normal' brakes) to adapt to this new fangled gizmology but if they can make it adjustable I'd advocate for it to be opt outable.
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For me its about feel, I use the rear brake to tighten lines, manage rear grip on the gas and balance the bike during hard braking (the linking doesnt really effect this) doing the former two with linked brakes is not recommended because it unbalances the bike (the opposite of what I'm trying to do) thats why I'd like a 'disable' option on the brakes.
+1
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Dealer here says wait till Sept
Can your dealer tell you when they are meeting with Mama Kaw to review the new models?
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I was wrong on Sept..............sorry
dealer said they will get Yamaha info in Sept
and will Kawasaki info in Oct
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Just seen where Fred posted on the other site this info:
"Colors are going to be black or red this year.
Limited number of early release
ZG1400CCF
Ebony/Flat super black
Candy Arabian Red/Flat Super Black
I'm told it is rich dark maroon like red with lots of flake in it.
$15,899 retail
No other significant changes mentioned"
Google turned up these photos when I did a search on "ZG1400CCF" :
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Black wheels, about time! 8)
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The wheels on my '08 are getting closer to black all the time.... at least the front wheel is. It was time for a coat of paint on them about a year ago.
Brian
Black wheels, about time! 8)
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Visited a large dealership out in Colorado on my road trip.
They had a black Concours on the floor. The tag said it was a 2012 model.
Said loudly to my buddy with a salesman within earshot:
"I guess this really is a big dealership. Kawasaki shipped 'em a new Concours before they even released the details on 'em"
I don't know if it was an honest mistake, or if they're tryin to fool.
-darrell
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black wheels???????????? YUK :'(
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Black wheels, about time! 8)
You would notice that, wouldn't you :)
I have been staring at the picture a while, I can't find a single other difference. Where's Waldo?
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If they are going to offer two colors, why not make one a little lighter and brighter? That picture of the "red" looks like tihs spelled backwards.
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You would notice that, wouldn't you :)
I have been staring at the picture a while, I can't find a single other difference. Where's Waldo?
Mama Kawi owes me a commision... 8)
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I have been staring at the picture a while, I can't find a single other difference. Where's Waldo?
Look at the passenger grab rails, they are black as well and there may be other blacked out parts! ;)
Now we're just waiting to find out if there are any other changes to the MY2012.
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Local dealer called about an hour ago, said they ordered a Red one and it should be in in 2-3 weeks
looking forward to seeing it in person. They still have a 2011 in Silver. I like the idea of red but also hate the idea of black wheels
I guess a decision will have to be made in 2-3 weeks
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We've already had those colors. What happened, they had some can's left over and added some sparkling bits and thought "Those Americans are a bit dull. They won't remember they had those colors a few years ago."? Man, you would think they could come up with something better than that...
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We've already had those colors. What happened, they had some can's left over and added some sparkling bits and thought "Those Americans are a bit dull. They won't remember they had those colors a few years ago."? Man, you would think they could come up with something better than that...
Yes, like the Moondust (I think that was a UK color for 2009) !
Why oh why won't that give us the Moondust color?!?!?!?!?!?!
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How about this color(s)?
http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2010-Kawasaki-Concours-14abs-99503845 (http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2010-Kawasaki-Concours-14abs-99503845)
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How about this color(s)?
Dark blue with a few scattered white accents? While it looks somewhat OK from the front, from the side it looks truly awful! "this bike saved my life".... interesting that all the likely-to-have-been damaged areas are those that were painted white.
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How about this color(s)?
http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2010-Kawasaki-Concours-14abs-99503845 (http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2010-Kawasaki-Concours-14abs-99503845)
It looks like it tried to be a police bike then stopped prematurely. Hate it.
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How about this color(s)?
http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2010-Kawasaki-Concours-14abs-99503845 (http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2010-Kawasaki-Concours-14abs-99503845)
My Eyes! My Eyes! :o :'( Why oh why would someone do that to a bike?!?!?!?!
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Ugly!!! But cheap for what he has in to it.
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How about this color(s)?
http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2010-Kawasaki-Concours-14abs-99503845 (http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2010-Kawasaki-Concours-14abs-99503845)
it... hurts... (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sad/sad0002.gif) (http://www.celebrityfashionarchive.com)
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Just goes to show that variety is not always the spice of life!
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Look at the passenger grab rails, they are black as well and there may be other blacked out parts! ;)
Now we're just waiting to find out if there are any other changes to the MY2012.
I think the picture of the "red" connie with the black wheels so many of you have commented on is really the 2010 European "root beer" version.
I will be very surprised if the 2012 U.S. Red version has black wheels and grab bars. However, I've been wrong before, maybe I am again.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-KAWASAKI-NEW-2012-KAWASAKI-ZG1400-CONCOURS-ABS-SALE-OTD-PRICE-/140605701408?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item20bcc0bd20 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-KAWASAKI-NEW-2012-KAWASAKI-ZG1400-CONCOURS-ABS-SALE-OTD-PRICE-/140605701408?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item20bcc0bd20)
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The dark red looks like the wine berry color that Honda used on the Gold Wing back in 89, It's a color that shines but the black wheel don't do anything for it,
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The dark red looks like the wine berry color that Honda used on the Gold Wing back in 89, It's a color that shines but the black wheel don't do anything for it,
I like the color, but I have to agree... the black wheels just don't work on it, if you ask me.
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I like the black wheels, I think silver wheels on that bike would look out of place with all the black trim...
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Also, at $14k OTD I'm sure this will drive down the price on new leftover 11's still out there...
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More photos of '12
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it looks more like Black Cherry than Red to me
guess till I can see it in person I will not know.
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Also, at $14k OTD I'm sure this will drive down the price on new leftover 11's still out there...
Good! Thats what I'm getting ready to buy as soon as my 08 Suzuki M109R sells. Anyone know anybody lookinn for one?
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ahhhhhh... new bike smell... :P
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Has anyone found out if there are any other differances between the 2011 and 2012 C14's (other than color) ?
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Has anyone found out if there are any other differances between the 2011 and 2012 C14's (other than color) ?
So far it is just color of bike, color of wheels, and color of grab-bars. Might be a while before anyone knows any more. However, it is highly likely that there are no differences (other than color).
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So far it is just color of bike, color of wheels, and color of grab-bars. Might be a while before anyone knows any more. However, it is highly likely that there are no differences (other than color).
You may be right on the outward appearance stuff but if Kwak is on a three year cycle (pun intended) there may be quite a few non-cosmetic fixes/improvements as well. Like you said it may be a bit and sometime afterward before we know for sure.
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Not a fan of black wheels on anything. :P
Now chrome with the burgundy paint is another matter.
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Also, at $14k OTD I'm sure this will drive down the price on new leftover 11's still out there...
Same store is quoting a new 2011 for $12,998 OTD price.
The color isn't bad and I don't have any problem with the black wheels, but why put black grab rails and leave all the other things (handlebars, bazooka, etc) in silver?? :yikes:
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Same store is quoting a new 2011 for $12,998 OTD price.
The color isn't bad and I don't have any problem with the black wheels, but why put black grab rails and leave all the other things (handlebars, bazooka, etc) in silver?? :yikes:
Ran out of paint?
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Same store is quoting a new 2011 for $12,998 OTD price.
The color isn't bad and I don't have any problem with the black wheels, but why put black grab rails and leave all the other things (handlebars, bazooka, etc) in silver?? :yikes:
So that it matches the black Corbin Smuggler trunk! ;D 8)
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Sorry, but that dark red color is really fugly, and to me the bike just doesn't work with the black wheels - in any color. Just my opinion, but I don't like them enough that it would be one strike against me buying one. Fortunately, I'm not in the market.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-KAWASAKI-NEW-2012-KAWASAKI-ZG1400-CONCOURS-ABS-SALE-OTD-PRICE-/140605701408?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item20bcc0bd20 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-KAWASAKI-NEW-2012-KAWASAKI-ZG1400-CONCOURS-ABS-SALE-OTD-PRICE-/140605701408?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item20bcc0bd20)
Well shut me up and call me very surprised!! Dang wrong again!...I hate when that happens.I will be very surprised if the 2012 U.S. Red version has black wheels and grab bars. However, I've been wrong before, maybe I am again.
Well shut me up ZG, and call me very surprised!! :o Dang wrong again!...I hate when that happens. >:(
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Nice price too!
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Well shut me up and call me very surprised!! Dang wrong again!...I hate when that happens.
Well shut me up ZG, and call me very surprised!! :o Dang wrong again!...I hate when that happens. >:(
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I still love ya Marty... :grouphug:
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Ran out of paint?
No, they ran out of ZG :)
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No, they ran out of ZG :)
:o ;D ;D