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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: ZG on May 14, 2011, 12:07:22 PM
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09 with Muzzys slip-on, no PCV (yet), flies are still in...
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/09Conniedynorun4-1-11.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/IMG00173-20110305-1439.jpg)
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what are these bikes making stock??
and with mine being an 11 ABS and trac i guess i would have to turn the trac off to dyno it. ill have to read how to do that.
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what are these bikes making stock??
133 hp stock I believe, so according to mine no gain with slip-on.
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ahh i see, so the slip-on is purely for sound.
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and weight usually.
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which would increase MPGs.....right...... ;D
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...theoretically, but some of us seem to gain that weight savings back by sitting at the dinner table :)
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hahaha thats good..... ;D
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ahh i see, so the slip-on is purely for sound.
Great sound, less weight, and much better looking than that stock potato launcher...
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09 with Muzzys slip-on, no PCV (yet), flies are still in...
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/09Conniedynorun4-1-11.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/IMG00173-20110305-1439.jpg)
mine was dyno'ed about 2 weeks ago on may 7
09
stock air
stock exhaust
fly's pulled
PCV with jamies map
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I need to find and post mine, but it was at 135 hp stock, 149 hp on the same dyno the next day with AreaP Full exhaust (carbon fiber can), Flies removed, BMC air filter, PC-V with Jamies map.
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Here's mine from 3 years ago.
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Not stricktly a c-14 run; Here's a chart of a stock c-10, my c-10, and a stock c-14. all done on the same afternoon. Steve
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09 with Muzzys slip-on, no PCV (yet), flies are still in...
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/09Conniedynorun4-1-11.jpg)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/IMG00173-20110305-1439.jpg)
You def. need to pull some fuel out of this beast!
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Ok, a new chart to post up.
Just added full Muzzys dual carbon fiber exhaust, K&N, PCV, flies pulled... 8)
Gained 13 hp over my base line run just a couple months ago on this same dyno! ;D
The blue line is the drop in PCV map, the red line is the custom map I had EDR do, check out how flat that air/fuel line is now with the custom map, very nice!!
Almost 92 ft-lbs of torque! ;D
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/09Conniedynoruncustommap7-23-11.jpg)
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ZG,
Nice Chart. 147HP, 92TQ! Eric's got you @ 13.2 across the board! She now performs like she looks....Awesome!
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ZG,
Nice Chart. 147HP, 92TQ! Eric's got you @ 13.2 across the board! She now performs like she looks....Awesome!
Thanks CB!
Yep, Eric is definately the man for doing custom maps on the dyno, she is smooth as butta now... 8)
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Here is mine from last year. '09, Muzzy slip on, BMC, flies out and fuelmoto map. This was the economy map, I forgot about using the performance map. Not sure that would make a differrence. The tuner told me he could not improve the map I had enough to pay for it so I got out without having to pay anything ;)
(http://www.pbase.com/cognosticator/image/136327178/medium.jpg)
Here is the link to the picture to be able to see it better
http://www.pbase.com/cognosticator/image/136327178 (http://www.pbase.com/cognosticator/image/136327178)
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Wow Jerry, 150 with the stock header?? :o That seems really high to me... not saying it didn't/can't happen but mine only made 133 with the stock header on.
Did you by chance run a base line map on that dyno before the mods?
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Wow Jerry, 150 with the stock header?? :o That seems really high to me... not saying it didn't/can't happen but mine only made 133 with the stock header on.
Did you by chance run a base line map on that dyno before the mods?
No base line run. It was July so maybe the heat had something to do with the, the elevation was basically 0 feet as it was Charleston SC
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spend some $$ on parts at a shop that dynos and they'll make sure you leave with some good numbers.
Havent figured out what you can do with those numbers though. Tell everybody I guess
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This is from my Dyno run at Fuel Moto. Was running a canned map and am pretty happy with the improvement. Running Stock exhaust, stock air cleaner, PC III, flys out. 21k on the odometer.
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I tho't I had a thread of my own regarding the Dynotronics re-Flash and initial dyon run. Can't find it .... anyway, I had the HD dealer re-dyno the bike today with the full on Muzzy header/dual exhaust system and the bike was Dynotronics re-Flashed as well.
I'm pretty impressed with the results with only having Dynotronics re-Flash my ECU and adding Muzzy's full on 4/2/2 exhaust system. I was aware that the bike was way better than with just the slip on, but SOTP is not a dyno, eh.
Anyway, I'll try to post a photo of the chart. Still can't scan the pix from the card.
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Let's see if I can get it clearer .... ??
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I'll try to get a better photog manana ....
Here's the scoop ...
The 2010 C14 with Dynotronics re-Flash and Holeshot slip ons was about 127 rwhp with about 87 ft/lb torque, air/fuel ~18.
After hooking up the full tilt Muzzzy 4/2/2 the bike made 147 rwhp and 95 ft/lb torque, air/fuel was ~18.
Pretty impressive jump of 20 ponies and 10 ft/lb torque. And, the bike runs like it has more juice, too. Very smooth delivery of power. You can see that after 4K the bike LEAPS !
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Very nice Bagger!! :thumbs: 8)
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Much obliged, ZG. I'm quite happy with the results we've found, too.
Not sure what the "next shiny thing" will be, tho. Bike is pretty much as I want it, now.
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Bagger,
wondering if you lowered the A/F ratio to the 13.5/14 range if the dyno #'s would increase, seems like 18 is a bit on the rich side.....
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Bagger,
wondering if you lowered the A/F ratio to the 13.5/14 range if the dyno #'s would increase, seems like 18 is a bit on the rich side.....
I shipped the data off to Dynotronics this morning. Waiting for Joe to respond. I don't have a clue.
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09 Connie, first pull is all stock with flies removed for a baseline. Next pull same dyno with full area p, bmc race, pcv, flies removed with fuel moto map. Third pull custom map same mods.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w318/Fishhook256/scan0001.jpg)
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BTW... it seems confusing at first glance but your AFR values are actually around 13. (13 parts air to one part fuel. (stoichiometric).
Yes, I tho't it was a bit confusing as well. I checked the 1st run chart which has a better lower graph of air/fuel and it clearly shows between 13 and 14. The 2nd run is a bit better than that. I'm going to see if the dyno shop can print out the same/same graph of air/fuel in a larger more expanded format.
I don't know why both charts say "18" ??
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Here is mine from yesterday.
TI Force full titanium exhaust, PCV, Flies out and K&N air filter.
the 123hp run is before they did anything to it. No baseline run before the mods were added.
Matt
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Just wondering what the accuracy of the different dynos is? At + or - 5% at 150 hp you could have a reading of 142.5 to 157.5 hp for the same bike done on different dynos, making it difficult to compare results.
Fred
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Different dynos, different air temps, different humidities - lots of factors which make comparing charts from different dynos more of a leap of faith. Even same bike on the same dyno but in a different season can produce different results. To get a truer idea of how effective mods are you should try to do back to back runs on the same day, before and after so to speak.
That said dynos are still fun and if you have a chance to participate in a dyno day it is a cheap way to see how the bike is running and with the mighty Concourse you might even get some bragging rights :)
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My butt dyno says that my C14 is making plenty of power and torque for my liking. 8)
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09 Connie, first pull is all stock with flies removed for a baseline. Next pull same dyno with full area p, bmc race, pcv, flies removed with fuel moto map. Third pull custom map same mods.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w318/Fishhook256/scan0001.jpg)
Very impressive. Any change on sharing the third map. :chugbeer:
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I'd be interested in that third map also.
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Might get my dyno time right before new tires, since all tire mfg's recommend any tire used on dyno pulls not go back to road use.
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Might get my dyno time right before new tires, since all tire mfg's recommend any tire used on dyno pulls not go back to road use.
Never heard that one before! That must mean I have to get a new set of PR3's :)
Matt
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Might get my dyno time right before new tires, since all tire mfg's recommend any tire used on dyno pulls not go back to road use.
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/confused1.gif)
I've never heard that one, why would that be? I've dyno'd all my bikes and never change the tires out afterward and have never had any issues...
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http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/tire-tyre-guide/Tire-TyreTech.htm (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/tire-tyre-guide/Tire-TyreTech.htm)
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http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/tire-tyre-guide/Tire-TyreTech.htm (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/tire-tyre-guide/Tire-TyreTech.htm)
Interesting link TXR, I don't want to threadjack the dyno thread though with comments, would you mind posting up a new thread about this so we could get some dialog going?
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Might get my dyno time right before new tires, since all tire mfg's recommend any tire used on dyno pulls not go back to road use.
:rotflmao:
Here is the quote from that website: "Do not use a tire on the road that has been subjected to motorcycle dynamometer testing. The stress from this process may result in tread compound degradation and possible tire failure."
...That's pretty much bullshit folks. Good advice is not to use race slicks/soft compound DOT tires for dyno time.... the drum is pretty abrasive and will pretty much waste/cold tear an otherwise useful track tire. A good street tire in good shape has nothing to fear from a few dyno pulls. :)
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:rotflmao:
Here is the quote from that website: "Do not use a tire on the road that has been subjected to motorcycle dynamometer testing. The stress from this process may result in tread compound degradation and possible tire failure."
...That's pretty much bullshit folks. Good advice is not to use race slicks/soft compound DOT tires for dyno time.... the drum is pretty abrasive and will pretty much waste/cold tear an otherwise useful track tire. A good street tire in good shape has nothing to fear from a few dyno pulls. :)
Agreed. I have been hearing this statement forever.... I've been operating rear wheel/tire inertia dynos for over 30 years and 10's of thousands of runs on bikes up to 600 hp. I could name very extreme examples like running really big power turbo bikes that are on there way to LSR events, and run over 250 mph with the same tire that was just used to tune it on the dyno. But it's really just senseless on why they make these statements.... It is no different than running your bike on the road. Yes, the knurling on the dyno drum can leave some abrasion on the tire that is smoothed away within the first few miles of running it back on the street. The only time it may be an issue, is if the tire is under-inflated when running on the drum or the operator is making a 100 runs on your bike (although when I've been developing systems I've routinely made 60 - 100 runs with very minor wear impact on the tire). Most Dyno tuning sessions with a Tuning Link would be in the 5 - 20 run range. And at a "Dyno Shoot-out", it's probably 2 or 3 runs. Just not alot to make much of an impact. But if you were running your bike on the street with under-inflated tires and took it to the soft-limiter or speed-limiter, your issues would be potentially much greater since obviously your not in a static position (you are a missle along for the ride if god-for-bid something happens to that tire because of under-inflation....). If anything, I would opinion that it is less stressful, since you have a drum turning and "giving" much easier than on the pavement that does not "give". Sure we can pull it down with the retarder/brake, but again, very, very minor impact. It doesn't mean a Dyno operator can't make an impact on your tire if he wanted to, but hopefully those guys are few and far between..... I have yet to change out a tire because I felt the "stress" of the Dyno session exceeded an exceptable level.
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:goodpost: Well said!!