Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Mimurph on July 17, 2011, 04:54:31 AM
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Now I know that issues tend to overpower all the good aspects of a vehicle, but let me tell you my story. I have been riding Honda,Yamaha Suzuki for 22 years. Total of 7 bikes. Only had two brand new bikes .
I am the mimurph that got rear ended and my bike will probably be totaled. I am reading as much info on the c-14 as I can because im a fanatic when it come to that. To tell you the truth, I dont get the same warm fuzzy feeling that i had with most of my other bikes. The concourse seems to have some quirks, like the brakes, valve adjustments, Kipass and stuff that I really have'nt seen on most other manufacturers. Granted, all bikes have issues. My other bike I have now is a Yamaha Roadstar with 73000 miles. Original rotors Had trans recall. Other then that no other problems. Please dont take this wrong. But would you considered the c-14 a high maint. bike, or am I blowing this out of proportion.
I guess what Im asking is, If you had to do it again, Would you? Thanks Murph
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My C14 only has 20,000 miles but I wouldn't call it high maintenance. I've been through alot of tires but that I think is the fault of my riding style. Did my own valve adjustment with no drama or video to help. I love the bike and would buy it again.
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It's all doom and gloom if you read this Site, but the bike is fantastic!
It munches tires if you ride hard, and tickets are easy to get. That's the only problems I've had. 8)
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I absolutely would buy this bike again. Only had it for six months and about 3500 miles but zero problems so far. This thing kicks ass. 8)
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I'm on my second. I guess that says it all.
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I've got 10,000 miles on it and it's just over a year old. No issues, no problems. Got 8500 miles out of the OEM tires and am now running PR3s. It's a whole new bike.
Kipass works, Brakes work. Unless you buy a push rod or hydraulically adj. valve croozer, you're going to have valve adjustments to deal with. My first check/adj will be around 25K. These bikes are fairly high performance, with a 10,500-rpm redline. Try that with aair cooled croozer V-Twin!
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If you go to any bike specific internet forums, you would have a hard time believing motorcycles actually run. I moderate a Yamaha 2 stroke sight and right now the first two pages are "problem posts" In reality, these bikes are as reliable as anvils, but people just dont post about nothing noteworthy. Posting "my 2006 yz 250 is running well, no problems...etc", will not happen..its boring.
Many casual users of the motorcycle find the forum when a problem surfaces. Also, problems on the net are never owner related. Its easier to post, "my ignition quit working" than to post "I used a tire iron to remove my flywheel."
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Go with your gut feelings. If your hesitant about a C-14, don't buy one.
Meanwhile, I will continue to enjoy my '09 C-14, knowing it is the best motorcycle of the 27 that I have owned. ;)
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Zero problems with my bike in the two years I've had it. Haven't done anything except routing oil changes and new tires. The only trouble I have with KiPass is having to teach the state inspection guy at the nearby Yamaha shop how to use it every year (except this year--he didn't even ride it). Just ride all the bikes you're interested in and go with the one you like the best. If that's the C-14, then don't sweat it. It's really a great bike. Incidentally, this is what normally happens. All forums are full of complaints and posts asking for advice on solving problems. Then as soon as someone asks about reliability, everyone else finally gets to chime in on how great the (whatever) has been for them. As others have posted, no one starts a thread about how they have not had any problems with their bike. Also notice that the threads that are about problems have a lot of responses like, "I haven't had any problems like that. Haven't heard of that being a problem. Never heard of that being an issue." The truth is that problems are rare, but possible with any machine.
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Zero problems on my 2010 and not at all high maintenance. I've had 40 or 50 bikes over the years and research my choices beforehand quite well. I used to test bikes for the magazines and have ridden damn near everything.
There's a good reason the C14 wins magazine comparison tests: ain't nothing better at doing what it does.
Perfect? No, but nothing man-made ever is. That's why farkles were invented.
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I've been riding for about 31 years... ish. I have 10K on my 08 C14. If it got destroyed, I'd buy another and mod it the same way.
Good luck,
Barry
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Your wariness is a result of this forum. It is a great place, with great people but it tends to be a little delicate as if all the posts were made by Mary Jane Tinklepants, and there is a LOT of hand wringing around here about events that not only have not happened yet but are unlikely to happen. For example, a lot of C-14s show very small amounts of corrosion on the fuel tank under the seat. Way back when the bikes were new there were cries of gloom and doom regarding this; worries about rusting through the tank and similar. Really incredible. So now the bike is four years old and this fuel tank "issue" (there never WAS an ISSUE!) seems to be forgotten.... until someone brings it up again and there are 9 pages of posts about what might happen.
If you can be objective about it, the C-14 is extremely reliable. Go to the FJR forum and read the list of actual recalls on that bike, there have been a lot and it is ongoing. But the overall attitude on that forum is much less delicate and the participants are more likely to talk about solutions to problems than worrying about them.
A great example of this is the time spent on driveshaft noises. To the very best of my knowledge, there has been one catastrophic failure of a C-14 driveshaft, and one other mechanical failure that did not result in any damage. Both were handled by warranty and neither one caused any injury to anyone. Yet the posts, worry, concern and outright paranoia go on for YEARS. Frankly I think there is more risk of getting cancer of the testicals from the radiation of the ECU under the seat, and there is not much chance of that. But as a group, C-14 owners seem to be a worrying lot and I find this odd because it does not seem that earlier Concours owners (C-10) were or are that way.
Either way, my suggestion would be to buy the bike you like best and the one that you are worried about the least. If ANY bike makes you wary, buy something else. There is no need for any mechanical device to hold you emotionally hostage- it is just is not worth it in my opinion.
Brian
Now I know that issues tend to overpower all the good aspects of a vehicle, but let me tell you my story. I have been riding Honda,Yamaha Suzuki for 22 years. Total of 7 bikes. Only had two brand new bikes .
I am the mimurph that got rear ended and my bike will probably be totaled. I am reading as much info on the c-14 as I can because im a fanatic when it come to that. To tell you the truth, I dont get the same warm fuzzy feeling that i had with most of my other bikes. The concourse seems to have some quirks, like the brakes, valve adjustments, Kipass and stuff that I really have'nt seen on most other manufacturers. Granted, all bikes have issues. My other bike I have now is a Yamaha Roadstar with 73000 miles. Original rotors Had trans recall. Other then that no other problems. Please dont take this wrong. But would you considered the c-14 a high maint. bike, or am I blowing this out of proportion.
I guess what Im asking is, If you had to do it again, Would you? Thanks Murph
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I totally understand about how one negative can destroy a ton of positives. Have been on m/c forums long enough to understand. And it is reassuring to me that you are satisfied and would purchase again.
I do think I will purchase another c 14. Now my biggest question will be, New or used? What year would you buy? Did kawasaki have a "Magic year" when they fixed many common issues? I heard 08-09 had heat issues. Im sure there are more examples. Please Let me know what you think. Murph
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The "heat issue" is, I believe, highly subjective and probably even differs from bike to bike. I live in Texas and I can tell you the only heat issue I have is that it is so bleepin' hot here. I don't notice anything that I would consider abnormal heat coming from my '09. It's 100+ ever day here now and I don't have baked legs or roasted gonads when I ride--and I commute every day on my bike.
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Frankly I think there is more risk of getting cancer of the testicals from the radiation of the ECU under the seat, and there is not much chance of that.
Lining my seat in lead as we speak, thanks. ;D
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Lining my seat in lead as we speak, thanks. ;D
The KiPass ecu is under your nads, it'll just serve to keep you virile.
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Kawasaki allegedly addressed all of your concerns other than valve adjustments (which are always going to be a requirement) with the 2011 so maybe that will answer your new or used question. I have had my share of bikes, even a few in the same category (ST1300, FJR, and still ride a R1200RT) and if given the chance and money I would buy a 2012 Gold Wing. That decision has a whole lot to do with passenger comfort. That is the only bike I would rather have out there.
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I wonder if wrapping yourself in a Snuggie and sitting on the couch in the living room affords protection?
;D
Brian
I KiPass ecu is under your nads, it'll just serve to keep you virile.
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Kawasaki allegedly addressed all of your concerns [...] with the 2011
I think you meant 2010. The 2010 and 2011 are essentially identical.
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I only have 2700 miles on mine so far but every time I get on it I have total confidence it will get me there and back. Any brand of bike can have an issue but I think the C14 is solid.
Low maintenence, dependable, fast and fun to ride. When I get another bike it will be another C14, unless of course Kawasaki puts out a 1600. ;)
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I think you meant 2010. The 2010 and 2011 are essentially identical.
Maybe I am wrong but I thought the Rotor part numbers changed on the 2011??
See post 29 in this thread:
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1587.15 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1587.15)
Maybe some clarification in this thread:
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1388.msg13973#msg13973 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1388.msg13973#msg13973)
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If everyone only bought motorcycles (or cars) that don't get multiple complains on forums we'd all be riding horses and complaining about all the **** in the street.
Mine has 23,000 miles on it and it's only been in for a rear tire pressure replacement due to a dead battery. I have a friend who picked his up at the same time and his has only been in for the exact same thing.
BTW, people looking into FJR's say the same thing about the concerns brought up on the FJR forum. I had one with 44,000 miles on it that never had a single thing go wrong.
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This bike doesn't require any more maintenance than any other bike. The hang up for most is the cost of maintenance especially if you don't feel confident doing the work yourself. In the South a typical valve inspection/adjust will run $400-$600 because of the time involved. Chicken scratch compared to what the beemer boys will pay but still alot for a Kawasaki.
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To address heat issues, I have never noticed engine heat on my legs from my 2011 model, it's like riding my Goldwing as far as heat. Great bike.
If you really like riding a Yamaha Roadstar, you might not like a Concours.
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The C14 is a great bike and I do recommend it. But in it's present form, no I probably would not buy it again. You have to buy what you feel comfortable with. If your not comfortable buying another C14, don't! What's right for us pin heads on here may not be what's right for you. But your the one who must make that decision. So is the C14 right for you, not us?
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Honestly, I prefered my 06 FJR1300. Fit and finish was a little nicer, it was more comfortable, wasn't hot and came stock back then with ABS.
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Honestly, I prefered my 06 FJR1300. Fit and finish was a little nicer, it was more comfortable, wasn't hot and came stock back then with ABS.
Believe me, I totally understand! 8)
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Honestly, I prefered my 06 FJR1300. Fit and finish was a little nicer, it was more comfortable, wasn't hot and came stock back then with ABS.
Blasphemy! >:( J/K
Have you taken a ride on a 2010+?
I rode both. the FJR and the Connie. FJR was too small which probably biased my opinion right away, but the Connie just has more umph.
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If you go to any bike specific internet forums, you would have a hard time believing motorcycles actually run. I moderate a Yamaha 2 stroke sight and right now the first two pages are "problem posts" In reality, these bikes are as reliable as anvils, but people just dont post about nothing noteworthy. Posting "my 2006 yz 250 is running well, no problems...etc", will not happen..its boring.
Many casual users of the motorcycle find the forum when a problem surfaces. Also, problems on the net are never owner related. Its easier to post, "my ignition quit working" than to post "I used a tire iron to remove my flywheel."
See post. ;D
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=2716.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=2716.0)
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I would say 2010 is the magic year. 2008 and 2009 seems hit or miss with the heat issue. I know I got some on my 2008, to which I did a ole bubba style fix and it has not troubled me since.
When I was hunting around, I was really after a BMW. But after looking at the price and finding out how I will have to survive on noodles for the better part of my life, I decided to go after, as someone nicely put it, the poor man's BMW. I will buy a connie again if I ever had a need, but a 2010 or after.
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I would say 2010 is the magic year. 2008 and 2009 seems hit or miss with the heat issue. I know I got some on my 2008, to which I did a ole bubba style fix and it has not troubled me since.
When I was hunting around, I was really after a BMW. But after looking at the price and finding out how I will have to survive on noodles for the better part of my life, I decided to go after, as someone nicely put it, the poor man's BMW. I will buy a connie again if I ever had a need, but a 2010 or after.
But now there is the BMW K1600GTL. :o
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Blasphemy! >:( J/K
Have you taken a ride on a 2010+?
I rode both. the FJR and the Connie. FJR was too small which probably biased my opinion right away, but the Connie just has more umph.
Yes I have. Fit and finish still isn't there. I do agree on the size. I'm 6'3" and the Kaw fits me better.
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Maybe the old poker saying applies...study long, study wrong. Go with your gut feeling, but give the bike fair shot. Yes I would buy the concours all over again, that is to say that it would be number 1 on a list of 1.
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Let me clarify; because of my size I would buy one again. But I would have gone black instead.
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But I would have gone black instead.
Now you're talkin'!
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Wow, up to three pages already.
I guess I would buy another one but only if I was going to stay pretty close to home. There is no way I would even consider taking a C-14 a long way from home, nearby service, or into desolated areas..... in the dark..... in the rain. No way.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1441.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1441.0)
Brian
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I guess what Im asking is, If you had to do it again, Would you? Thanks Murph
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Lining my seat in lead as we speak, thanks. ;D
I thought that stirring in my groin was love of my C-14. Now I find it was just my testicles roasting? ???
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I would buy one again. But I would have gone black instead.
Good recovery... :thumbs:
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Murph,
My three cents: You must have a visceral or emotional reaction to your next ride. Otherwise, just get a Vespa and have a nice day. I say this based on having had a burning desire for the original ninja, then buying a new '86 model, enjoying it (sometimes illegally), realizing it needed to be green and 94 horses weren't really setting the world on fire, getting t-boned by a ford ranger, not buying another ninja, finally trolling craigslist for the damned things and finding an original '84 in super shape for a pitance. I tried buying practical and economical bikes and found that they bored me to tears and they stayed parked a lot.
My Connie ('08) is definitely the best bike I've had so far and I would buy another if that becomes a necessity. I originally wanted a K12GT, but after reading up on them and then testing several I discovered that airbox/stumble/crappy running issues were real and I wasn't going to buy into that money pit. I do like the K12's ergos (bars/grips/mirrors) a little better and the cruise better still, but my Connie has more pop so I can't complain...much. The K16 does appear intriguing but it weighs how much?
What has been your favorite bike and why? Maybe that will help with your deliberations.
The heat and jewel roasting/irradiating issues are minimized if you ride hard quickly. ;)
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Now I know that issues tend to overpower all the good aspects of a vehicle, but let me tell you my story. I have been riding Honda,Yamaha Suzuki for 22 years. Total of 7 bikes. Only had two brand new bikes .
I am the mimurph that got rear ended and my bike will probably be totaled. I am reading as much info on the c-14 as I can because im a fanatic when it come to that. To tell you the truth, I dont get the same warm fuzzy feeling that i had with most of my other bikes. The concourse seems to have some quirks, like the brakes, valve adjustments, Kipass and stuff that I really have'nt seen on most other manufacturers. Granted, all bikes have issues. My other bike I have now is a Yamaha Roadstar with 73000 miles. Original rotors Had trans recall. Other then that no other problems. Please dont take this wrong. But would you considered the c-14 a high maint. bike, or am I blowing this out of proportion.
I guess what Im asking is, If you had to do it again, Would you? Thanks Murph
my take is sell, cut and run.
get the fork outta the thoughtn you had when purchasing the machine.
there are some folks determined to make due, others love the machine, an still others that hold onto it, even though it don't fit, bitchin thewhole way.... been watching this for 4 years, and I don't have a bit of sympathy for someone wanting to be the cock-on-the-block...
do your thing man.
you are here addresing a group of people that have experience between first bike, and those that have ridden top fuel drag bikes at 200 mph, some of us don't have A LOT OF patiiance with your indecisisn... you need to work that out in private... seriously....
don't ask us what you should do.
best of luck.
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Yeah, it is not that others do not have that same thought Rich but your smooth, slick and painless delivery makes this post so amusing.
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I love this place....
Brian
my take is sell, cut and run.
get the fork outta the thoughtn you had when purchasing the machine.
there are some folks determined to make due, others love the machine, an still others that hold onto it, even though it don't fit, bitchin thewhole way.... been watching this for 4 years, and I don't have a bit of sympathy for someone wanting to be the cock-on-the-block...
do your thing man.
you are here addresing a group of people that have experience between first bike, and those that have ridden top fuel drag bikes at 200 mph, some of us don't have A LOT OF patiiance with your indecisisn... you need to work that out in private... seriously....
don't ask us what you should do.
best of luck.
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Love my 2008 to death, and has been as reliable as a hammer. I would buy another in a heart beat.......just sayin. And paranoia will destroy ya, many issues are the folks that say they have issues. ;)
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my take is sell, cut and run.
get the fork outta the thoughtn you had when purchasing the machine.
there are some folks determined to make due, others love the machine, an still others that hold onto it, even though it don't fit, bitchin thewhole way.... been watching this for 4 years, and I don't have a bit of sympathy for someone wanting to be the cock-on-the-block...
do your thing man.
you are here addresing a group of people that have experience between first bike, and those that have ridden top fuel drag bikes at 200 mph, some of us don't have A LOT OF patiiance with your indecisisn... you need to work that out in private... seriously....
don't ask us what you should do.
best of luck.
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I love my 2010 more than the 2008 I loved. Maybe I'll love the 2012 or 2013 more than both of those. I'd rather see you having second thoughts on buying a Harley or a Piagio scooter. Good luck with your quest though. Triumph is going to have a new Trophy before next year. That'll be a sweet set-up from what I have read.
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Honestly, I prefered my 06 FJR1300. Fit and finish was a little nicer, it was more comfortable, wasn't hot and came stock back then with ABS.
I agree with everything you say. I had both bikes for nearly a year, but didn't ride the FJR for about 9 months while it sat at a dealer. I went and picked it up and for about two months I alternated between the two. The Kawasaki handles marginally better, but I honestly liked the FJR better for every day riding. If they will just update it with a six speed and the newer features that the Concours has I would likely go back to an FJR.
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we have a biiiiiiig weeeeener... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I love my 08, and cannot fathom selling it....I only sold my 86 because I felt sorry for A bloke who's bike got torched.....and I still want it back...
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I have mixed feelings about my '08 C-14. It handles well, and has lots of power. The bags hold lots of stuff, and the adjustable windscreen is a nice feature. Issues include the brakes (just spent >$500 to fix what the dealer would not), the TPMS (dealer would not fix, so we just shut it off), KIPASS (unpredictable issues, just give me a key), and the heat (mitigated but not fixed with heat vent blocks). Other nits include the very poor seat (most uncomfortable I have ever owned, Corbin is not much better), poor stock windscreen (bought a Cee Bailey), non-adjustable handle bars (risers helped some), and poor gas mileage (it is what it is). I have 13K on my bike, am now on my third set of tires, and third set of brake pads (no I do not ride the brake). This bike replaced an old Kaw Voyager 1200 that had been from coast to coast. The old Voyager was short on handling, but very comfy, and got 50 mpg. It had cruise control, fully adjustable handle bars, decent sound and intercom system, and was relatively easy to fix. I wish Kaw had gone the rest of the way with the C-14, and done it right. I hear the 2010 fixed a lot of the issues we '08 and '09 owners have complained about. I hope so. :-\
Ride safe... ;D
Dave
'08 C-14
'09 KLR
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after riding cruiser type bikes for 20 plus years , i love my 2010 , no problems other than i dont want to get off it, no brake problems no heat issues kipass has not failed, i have no complaints at all ,
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I am so disgruntled with my '14!! After a measly 49,000 miles my front bearings were shot. I think I will trade it in on a Sportster 8)
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Both bearings? BOTH of them? That is disgusting! One would have been bad enough but both of them?
Did you notify the DOT? I wonder if Kawasaki is going to have a recall? They are not going to do anything about this unless we all call our congressman and complain, long and loud. How long are people's lives going to be in danger because of this? Other manufacturers would never allow something like this to happen- if a part wears out on a Honda for example, I've heard technicians fly in on a chartered plane from Japan and fix it immediately while at the same time giving you a certificate for any current Honda product, free of charge of course, and a foot massage.
I am starting to think Neanderthals had a better life. Sure they were hungry and cold, and only lived about 25 years but they never had to put up with the aggravation that we (C-14) owners have had to.
Oh the humanities....
Brian
I am so disgruntled with my '14!! After a measly 49,000 miles my front bearings were shot. I think I will trade it in on a Sportster 8)
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I am not golng to pass judgiment right now bc I am stranded on mine
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I have 27k on my 09 C14. I've burned thru 2 sets of rotors, just bought some Galpher's. I could keep having them replaced under warranty, but I'd rather do this, as my time and braking performance are more important than warranty work. Other than that, pretty much gas and ride... other than normal maintenance.
A few have had an issue with KiPass.
I would still buy this bike again. 8)
The Feejer's are having a recall for the brake lever and some kind of wiring harness... the ST1300's are having a recall for the rear brake master cylinder hose... who knows what is in store for the K16GTx after a few months.
Any bike is going to have some kind of maintenance done to it... valve's are one part of that schedule. You can choose to do it yourself, or pay for it to be done... make and model doesn't make a difference. Some are easier than others.
What you get for the money on a 2010 or newer C14 can't be matched by the others... doom and gloom included ;D
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If they will just update it with a six speed and the newer features that the Concours has I would likely go back to an FJR.
That's the exact reason I didn't even look at the FJR when I bought my Connie--particularly the 5-speed transmission. And that was two years ago!
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I can honestly say that my 09 C-14 is the best all around bike I have ever owned..... :thumbs:
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I like my 09, it does exactly what it needs to... that said I've noticed I never look at other Connies parked up. I am somehow not all that interested in the bike, even my own, although it is very capable. Would I get another??? Most likely I would and I will need to do some bigger rides to bond with the bike... I think no single bike can tick all of my boxes. My bike needs an Area P... more tude and we will see how it is then.... and the Sargent isn't really working for me although it is much better looking than the stocker... once dialed in I may actually love the bike... maybe... but there is no reason at all to feel it's a difficult machine
vivo
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I call BS on this thread.
I have 40K on my 2010. No issues to report. Haven't even adjusted for throttle slack or idling.
Wait, the high beam bulb went out and the front brake caliper plastic cover got loose. But Ceasors palace in vegas PAID me because I had KiPass in my pocket at the craps tables!
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2008 model bought new in Aug 2007.
36Mpg (US) but then I am heavy (370lbs), have a +6" CalSci screen and do thrash the crap out of her most days.
Centrestand replaced under warranty (rust).
One clutch friction plate disintegrated @ 30,000 miles.
Replaced front bearings at 33,000 miles. One was fine, the other had a little rust on it.
Rear bearings are still fine (checked when new tyre fitted last Saturday).
Currently at 42,000 miles and rising @ 360 per week (working from home 2 days/week now).
Would I buy another one? Hell yeah. ;D
I waited an extra year for the C14 (was gonna buy a new FJR) and it was worth the wait.
The ergos need some work for me, but then so does every other bike.
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I'm pi***d it didn't come out earlier than it did... I love this bike, even with it's 'faults'.
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Both bearings? BOTH of them? That is disgusting! One would have been bad enough but both of them?
Did you notify the DOT? I wonder if Kawasaki is going to have a recall? They are not going to do anything about this unless we all call our congressman and complain, long and loud. How long are people's lives going to be in danger because of this? Other manufacturers would never allow something like this to happen- if a part wears out on a Honda for example, I've heard technicians fly in on a chartered plane from Japan and fix it immediately while at the same time giving you a certificate for any current Honda product, free of charge of course, and a foot massage.
I am starting to think Neanderthals had a better life. Sure they were hungry and cold, and only lived about 25 years but they never had to put up with the aggravation that we (C-14) owners have had to.
Oh the humanities....
Brian
Had I known about the foot massage...
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That's the exact reason I didn't even look at the FJR when I bought my Connie--particularly the 5-speed transmission. And that was two years ago!
I don't know what the big deal about the sixth gear is. It's almost useless for anything other than cruising on the highway. Or just putting along the back roads. Mine always seemed to have the power band too low when I wanted power in that gear. So you tend to have to downshift to a lower gear.
I personally wouldn't have cared if the C14 had a five or six speed. The six speed might help fuel mileage slightly. But I tend to prefer the power bands that the five speeds gives you in their gearing. Does anybody use their sixth gear when really riding the bike? Or is this all about cruising and MPG?
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Does anybody use their sixth gear when really riding the bike? Or is this all about cruising and MPG?
I use sixth gear every day on my commute. And when I'm on trips, there's always some cruising involved. I live in Texas, so roads are relatively flat and straight--I can often go more than an hour in sixth gear. I just wanted as little buzz and vibration as possible when having to cruise the highway.
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I use sixth gear every day on my commute. And when I'm on trips, there's always some cruising involved. I live in Texas, so roads are relatively flat and straight--I can often go more than an hour in sixth gear. I just wanted as little buzz and vibration as possible when having to cruise the highway.
Yeah, that's what I figured. That's pretty much what I used it for also!
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Bob, I like the 6th gear for the reason you mentioned. It would not be a deal breaker if it were not there, but I'm glad to have it. Like you said, no use for passing, but great for the relaxed times.
One other aspect of the bike, and I suspect the Yamaha and Honda as well, is that the insurance is based on a touring bike and not a sport bike. For me (46 with one violation in last 2 years) the concours 14 payment and insurance is the same cost as just the insurance on a zx 10.
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I don't know what the big deal about the sixth gear is. It's almost useless for anything other than cruising on the highway. Or just putting along the back roads. Mine always seemed to have the power band too low when I wanted power in that gear. So you tend to have to downshift to a lower gear.
I personally wouldn't have cared if the C14 had a five or six speed. The six speed might help fuel mileage slightly. But I tend to prefer the power bands that the five speeds gives you in their gearing. Does anybody use their sixth gear when really riding the bike? Or is this all about cruising and MPG?
I use 6th all the time...
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I use 6th gear all the time... I've even been known to pass slower moving vehicles in 6th *gasp*... yes, it'll do it, trust me. ;D
I used to try and find 6th on my ST1300... LOL!!! Did the same on my Wing a few times as well when riding a bit spirited too out in BFE nowhere west Texas :o
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I use 6th gear every time i ride, a big deal would be if i only had 5 (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/headshake.gif)
In this day and age modern bikes have 6, I'm missing the point about the debate, maybe i should read back some LoL
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I call BS on this thread.
I have 40K on my 2010. No issues to report. Haven't even adjusted for throttle slack or idling.
Wait, the high beam bulb went out and the front brake caliper plastic cover got loose. But Ceasors palace in vegas PAID me because I had KiPass in my pocket at the craps tables!
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^^^^^^ 6th gear was even used on the main drag in Vegas!
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I use 6th gear all the time... I've even been known to pass slower moving vehicles in 6th *gasp*... yes, it'll do it, trust me. ;D
Same here.
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I look at it like this. They included it on the bike, like the rear brake. So I use them both.
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I look at it like this. They included it on the bike, like the rear brake. So I use them both.
Not at the same time though right? That's fairly complicated you know? :o
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Yeah... like, I had to unlearn myself to try and use a key to start my ride... OMG!!! :o
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Yeah... like, I had to unlearn myself to try and use a key to start my ride... OMG!!! :o
I do find myself unintentionally leaving the key in the ignition when riding something other than my Connie now though, too scary when I notice it coming back to my bike after she's been sitting vulnerable for hours somewhere... :battle:
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Not at the same time though right? That's fairly complicated you know? :o
True. You understand me completely.
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I do find myself unintentionally leaving the key in the ignition when riding something other than my Connie now though, too scary when I notice it coming back to my bike after she's been sitting vulnerable for hours somewhere... :battle:
I find myself leaving the key in the FSS position all the time just in case I need to open a bag or something. Same deal, glad the key is still there when I return. :o
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There is certain times when I feel like clutching and shifting into 7th (warp speed). You need atleast a 6-speed.
There is no other bike in this price range that compares. Especially when you factor in what most of us really paid compared to MSRP. I was over $2,000 under MSRP. Honda and Yamaha dealers near me don't budge much on their prices. $500 bucks here and there.
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I don't know what the big deal about the sixth gear is. It's almost useless for anything other than cruising on the highway. Or just putting along the back roads. Mine always seemed to have the power band too low when I wanted power in that gear. So you tend to have to downshift to a lower gear.
I personally wouldn't have cared if the C14 had a five or six speed. The six speed might help fuel mileage slightly. But I tend to prefer the power bands that the five speeds gives you in their gearing. Does anybody use their sixth gear when really riding the bike? Or is this all about cruising and MPG?
6th gear OD = lower RPM, better fuel efficiency, less noise and vibration. No, there is no torque available in 6th (at all!) but it is great to have for highway riding and I am glad to have it and use it all the time. My previous bike (ZRX) was only 5 gears, and the top gear was not high enough. Of course, they could have used a 5 and spread out the gears more, but then you have less precision. I like it how it is!
My G37 has 7 gears :)
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I find myself leaving the key in the FSS position all the time just in case I need to open a bag or something. Same deal, glad the key is still there when I return. :o
I would never do that. When it goes "off", it goes to off.... usually all the way to steering lock.
It is why I had a locksmith just cut me a key to use for the bags. I have to carry keys, anyway, since the helmet lock and seat pod lock are also not the same... so it made sense to have a bags/seat key.
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I would never do that. When it goes "off", it goes to off.... usually all the way to steering lock.
It is why I had a locksmith just cut me a key to use for the bags. I have to carry keys, anyway, since the helmet lock and seat pod lock are also not the same... so it made sense to have a bags/seat key.
;D ;)
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I use 6th all the time...
ditto . . . and yes, you can pass all kinds of traffic while in 6th. Or at least I do.
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Sixth gear rocks! I can't see having a modern bike without it...
I do love the 09 Non ABS brakes too... great luggage, nice ride quality, good handling, actually am enjoying KiPass !!!
vivo
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Wow, this one has "Here kitty, kitty' written all over it. Don't fall for it Bob, they are mocking you. Everyone knows the Feejer has the most bestus amount of gears (four, right?).
Brian
Sixth gear rocks! I can't see having a modern bike without it...
I do love the 09 Non ABS brakes too... great luggage, nice ride quality, good handling, actually am enjoying KiPass !!!
vivo
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Wow, this one has "Here kitty, kitty' written all over it. Don't fall for it Bob, they are mocking you. Everyone knows the Feejer has the most bestus amount of gears (four, right?).
Brian
:rotflmao: :stirpot:
Sorry Cap'n, that's not funny... :-X ;)
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One of these days we may have to read about Brain in the obituary section.. ;D
Cap'n Bob is probably getting his army of Feejers ready...you never know
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One of these days we may have to read about Brain in the obituary section.. ;D
Cap'n Bob is probably getting his army of Feejers ready...you never know
Thats OK, us '14 riders will be well down the road cruising in 6th gear while they are still digging in their pockets under their riding pants looking for a key 8)
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Thats OK, us '14 riders will be well down the road cruising in 6th gear while they are still digging in their pockets under their riding pants looking for a key 8)
Except for the unlucky SOB that bought Cap'n Bob's old C14................he will still be using the KRock to attempt to start his bike. Hopefully the feejer's take mercy on him. ;D
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That there is funny. I get an even better mental image of them fishing through all the recall notices looking for their keys- they'll never catch up. (http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)(http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)(http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)
Thats OK, us '14 riders will be well down the road cruising in 6th gear while they are still digging in their pockets under their riding pants looking for a key 8)
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Not to worry because Bob's imaginary problems with KiPass, like his imaginary friends, are not visible to normal people. Bob's old C-14 probably has an imaginary side car, an imaginary trailer and all kinds of imaginary things that the new, happy owner is just not aware of.
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Except for the unlucky SOB that bought Cap'n Bob's old C14................he will still be using the KRock to attempt to start his bike. Hopefully the feejer's take mercy on him. ;D
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Not to worry because Bob's imaginary problems with KiPass, like his imaginary friends, are not visible to normal people. Bob's old C-14 probably has an imaginary side car, an imaginary trailer and all kinds of imaginary things that the new, happy owner is just not aware of.
(http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)
If he only knew about the imaginary sidecar, then he'd know why he has such a hard time leaning into those right handers.
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I like to put imaginary tacks on his saddle. He doesn't seem to notice but I figure once there are 15 or 20 stuck into his but he is going to wake up screaming....
Kirby
Not to worry because Bob's imaginary problems with KiPass, like his imaginary friends, are not visible to normal people. Bob's old C-14 probably has an imaginary side car, an imaginary trailer and all kinds of imaginary things that the new, happy owner is just not aware of.
(http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)
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That there is funny. I get an even better mental image of them fishing through all the recall notices looking for their keys- they'll never catch up. (http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)(http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)(http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)
Bob DID know that the key in his fob wouldnt start the bike, right? May explain things, maybe his dealer wasnt so bad after all ;D
Paging Cap'n Fob, paging Cap'n Fob. Oh well, I wonder why he still uses a pager, that is so old school, kinda like keys on a bike :P
PS, must be his day in the barrel.
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Isn't a wonderful world we live in... we have friggin 6th gear... we can friggin walk up and push-turn a friggin knob, and your friggin awesome bike friggin starts... and we have friggin fast-food place that serves a friggin fifth meal!!!!
Friggindilliabulous! 8)
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Isn't a wonderful world we live in... we have friggin 6th gear... we can friggin walk up and push-turn a friggin knob, and your friggin awesome bike friggin starts... and we have friggin fast-food place that serves a friggin fifth meal!!!!
Friggindilliabulous! 8)
Friggin A!
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:popcorn: Yep, FJR bad! Such a piece of $h!t!!! :popcorn: Let me see, FJR (as Steve would say) 9,000+ miles with zero issues of any kind period!
C14 is awesome, even though it doesn't start constantly (needs a chase vehicle), had warped rotors, TPS sensors that didn't work, recalls for brakes, knobs falling off, bags falling off, etc. !!!! In just my time with it!!!! Yes it's such an improvement!!! :rotflmao:
Maybe I should buy the next new and improved bike that never starts when it comes out. Yes I really have to have these new and improved bikes like y'all!!! But hey, I may not get to ride it. But I can sit around and talk about how nice and advanced it is! Sounds like some of Harley riders some of y'all despise to me!!! :rotflmao:
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:popcorn: Yep, FJR bad! Such a piece of $h!t!!! :popcorn: Let me see, FJR (as Steve would say) 9,000+ miles with zero issues of any kind period!
C14 is awesome, even though it doesn't start constantly (needs a chase vehicle), had warped rotors, TPS sensors that didn't work, recalls for brakes, knobs falling off, bags falling off, etc. !!!! In just my time with it!!!! Yes it's such an improvement!!! :rotflmao:
Maybe I should buy the next new and improved bike that never starts when it comes out. Yes I really have to have these new and improved bikes like y'all!!! But hey, I may not get to ride it. But I can sit around and talk about how nice and advanced it is! Sounds like some of Harley riders some of y'all despise to me!!! :rotflmao:
Did you just call us "Harley riders"? The gloves are coming off now, this just got serious! ;)
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:popcorn: Yep, FJR bad! Such a piece of $h!t!!! :popcorn: Let me see, FJR (as Steve would say) 9,000+ miles with zero issues of any kind period!
C14 is awesome, even though it doesn't start constantly (needs a chase vehicle), had warped rotors, TPS sensors that didn't work, recalls for brakes, knobs falling off, bags falling off, etc. !!!! In just my time with it!!!! Yes it's such an improvement!!! :rotflmao:
Maybe I should buy the next new and improved bike that never starts when it comes out. Yes I really have to have these new and improved bikes like y'all!!! But hey, I may not get to ride it. But I can sit around and talk about how nice and advanced it is! Sounds like some of Harley riders some of y'all despise to me!!! :rotflmao:
How's that TPMS working out on the FJR Bob?
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We know that Bob which is why none of us suggested you buy one in the first place. But really, shouldn't you really be ranting about it over on the FJR forum? We can't really do anything for you here other than offer our sympathy.... Over on the Feejer forum those guys have developed a lot of really neat work- arounds’ for the deficiencies of that bike.
;D
Brian
:popcorn: Yep, FJR bad! Such a piece of $h!t!!!
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:popcorn: Yep, FJR bad! Such a piece of $h!t!!! :popcorn: Let me see, FJR (as Steve would say) 9,000+ miles with zero issues of any kind period!
C14 is awesome, even though it doesn't start constantly (needs a chase vehicle), had warped rotors, TPS sensors that didn't work, recalls for brakes, knobs falling off, bags falling off, etc. !!!! In just my time with it!!!! Yes it's such an improvement!!! :rotflmao:
Maybe I should buy the next new and improved bike that never starts when it comes out. Yes I really have to have these new and improved bikes like y'all!!! But hey, I may not get to ride it. But I can sit around and talk about how nice and advanced it is! Sounds like some of Harley riders some of y'all despise to me!!! :rotflmao:
Steve loves FJR's. BUT - correwction for this statement: "MY" ealier C14 is awesome, even though it doesn't start constantly (needs a chase vehicle), had warped rotors, TPS sensors that didn't work, recalls for brakes, knobs falling off, bags falling off, etc. The C14s Steve and others purchased have over 40,000 miles wiothout issue now
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In the grand scheme of things my 2011 C14 with 4700 miles on it since March is rolling fine. My daily commute is 86 miles round trip, and my weekends are 400+ miles. I've been to one bike rally, ridden in major downpours.
I also understand that if I had a non stop string of issues with the bike, I would be a constant voice of negativity on the fourums.
Simply put through all my research over two years and dozens of bikes, I came to the conclusion that the Concours 14 was the bike for me. It hit all the right notes (price, cost of ownership, performance, and reliability). I crossed my fingers and singed the check. 4 months later, I'm a happy camper and haven't had any of the issues I've seen here on the forums.
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How's that TPMS working out on the FJR Bob?
Pretty much the same as the C14 turned out to be! :o It doesn't tell you what the pressures are. The difference is that the FJR doesn't take over your whole dash board display because one of these systems fails or your low on fuel!!!! :rotflmao:
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Pretty much the same as the C14 turned out to be! :o It doesn't tell you what the pressures are. The difference is that the FJR doesn't take over your whole dash board display because one of these systems fails or your low on fuel!!!! :rotflmao:
Totally agree with that one, Bob. I hate that darn low fuel message thingy...
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We know that Bob which is why none of us suggested you buy one in the first place. But really, shouldn't you really be ranting about it over on the FJR forum? We can't really do anything for you here other than offer our sympathy.... Over on the Feejer forum those guys have developed a lot of really neat work- arounds’ for the deficiencies of that bike.
;D
Brian
Sympathy? It's the other way around chief. Unlike you Brian, I have a motorcycle that has never had to go to the dealer for any issues in the first year. Can you say that about your C14 in your first year? Or any year since? :rotflmao:
I don't spend time on the FJR forum. It's boring to be honest. (the Concours guys are much more fun to be honest) Besides, I haven't had any problems with the FJR that made me want to look up much! There's always something good going on over here with the C14's though! ;D
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I don't think you need tire pressure sensors on a Fudger anyway- it is not like they can handle any worse with flat tires. Let's face it, they only have tires to prevent excessive wear on the wheels. This could change but I think they would need more gears to need TPS or even normal sized tires.
::) ;D
Brian
Pretty much the same as the C14 turned out to be! :o It doesn't tell you what the pressures are. The difference is that the FJR doesn't take over your whole dash board display because one of these systems fails or your low on fuel!!!! :rotflmao:
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In the grand scheme of things my 2011 C14 with 4700 miles on it since March is rolling fine. My daily commute is 86 miles round trip, and my weekends are 400+ miles. I've been to one bike rally, ridden in major downpours.
I also understand that if I had a non stop string of issues with the bike, I would be a constant voice of negativity on the fourums.
Simply put through all my research over two years and dozens of bikes, I came to the conclusion that the Concours 14 was the bike for me. It hit all the right notes (price, cost of ownership, performance, and reliability). I crossed my fingers and singed the check. 4 months later, I'm a happy camper and haven't had any of the issues I've seen here on the forums.
I'm sure you made the right choice. The C14 is an excellent bike. I highly recommend it to people all the time. Most of this stuff on here is nothing more than playful jabs between us. If I was anti- C14, I probably would spend so much time on here. I'm sure you'll have plenty of trouble free years with your bike!
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I don't think you need tire pressure sensors on a Fudger anyway- it is not like they can handle any worse with flat tires. Let's face it, they only have tires to prevent excessive wear on the wheels. This could change but I think they would need more gears to need TPS or even normal sized tires.
::) ;D
Brian
I thought that maybe removing the tires and running on tracks would make it handle more like it was on rails! :D
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Yeah, good point: Fudgers really do handle like a train....
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Brian
I thought that maybe removing the tires and running on tracks would make it handle more like it was on rails! :D
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I thought that maybe removing the tires and running on tracks would make it handle more like it was on rails! :D
Well, you certainly know about rails....
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Hey Bob...
I know what you mean about a first year model. I had a Yamaha Royal Star when they first came out. It got new cams after a long fight and Yamaha saying they weren't defective. It had the "Jack Hammer as it was then called where the drive belt slapped up and down violently and again Yamaha fought owners with this problem. My bike was at Yamaha City for two months until the owner himself found the problem that the special Yamaha techs could not. Bikes were sent back to Japan and several owners had Yamaha buy their bike back from them after threats by a very vocal group of owners. The BIG Jack Hammer problem was related to the drive belt, they were defective in some way and the belt design was later changed but owners were not told and complaints to Yamaha only resulted in being blown off or if you were willing to start an all out war with the company they would reluctantly quietly make repairs for you while continuing to tell others nothing was wrong with the bikes! Letters were written to Japan, the Attorney General of California and lots of other places and it was ugly. I openly wrote that the then head of Yamaha customer service should be dismissed, what I said was "fired" and I addressed my comments to the Japanese management. Poofffff at some point he was no longer head of Customer Service but I don't know why really? If the head of customer service for a company will not help correct a problem then he is not doing a very good job is he? Everyone has a boss and the boss gets pissed when continued trouble is unresolved so it is important to make a fuss. It is important to make a big fuss and to continue to do so until you get resolution. Sometimes it's almost not worth it. It all depends on how badly you want to make a point. I seriously doubt Yamaha is any better at warranty claims than Kawasaki and from what I've seen here I would say Kawasaki is doing a pretty good job overall... New rotors being replaced....unheard of from some manufacturers... three year warranty standard.... that's pretty good especially given we can purchase additional warranty cheap!
I swore I would never ever buy another Yamaha product again and till this day I have not nor will I ever! So I understand why you hate Kawasaki. I understand how you felt when they would not repair your KiPass and would only clean the switch mechanism. I understand that in your opinion the company acted dishonorably. Believe it or not I support you and your frustration with Kawasaki and what we should have done was to write a collective letter to Kawasaki demanding replacement of defective parts. You bailed a bit before it got to that point...
I wouldn't ride a Yamaha for anything! Not because they are bad bikes but because in 1999 I made a promise never to do so and I have a long memory.
Not all that different from your experience with Kawasaki...
What the heck is up with Yamaha's pricing? Are they on crack??? No doubt the FJR is a good bike and the Tenere is a decent bike but lets get real!!! The bikes are over priced and if dealers don't deal then they will continue to lose market share and from what I have read they haven't invested in the small bike markets in developing countries... maybe management is missing a gear or two?
Your mileage may vary...
vivo
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But here is the question, do you spend a lot of time on any Yamaha forums bashing the bike [that you no longer own] endlessly? :o If so, do they call you Cap'n Vivo?
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Brian
Hey Bob...
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vivo
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But here is the question, do you spend a lot of time on any Yamaha forums bashing the bike [that you no longer own] endlessly? :o If so, do they call you Cap'nn Vivo?
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Brian
Most of what you consider bashing is in direct response to your comments, most of the time! Besides, someone has to counter the "C14 has never had a problem" BS your always insinuating!!!! :rotflmao:
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I understand your points. And I agree with most of what your saying. But truly, I don't hate Kawasaki. I am and was very disappointed with them. But hate is a strong word. If I hated Kawasaki, I would have sold my other two Kawasaki's by now! I also don't say I would never buy another Kawasaki ever again either. They have a couple of bikes right now that peak my interest. But at this point, I would say I am doubtful that I would buy another C14 in it's present configuration.
You are right that Yamaha is pricing it's bikes a little too high. Although I picked up my FJR for less than most on here (that I read) are paying for their new model year C14's on here. Although I admit that I could have also had a 2010 C14 for the same price (they had both).
Hey Bob...
I know what you mean about a first year model. I had a Yamaha Royal Star when they first came out. It got new cams after a long fight and Yamaha saying they weren't defective. It had the "Jack Hammer as it was then called where the drive belt slapped up and down violently and again Yamaha fought owners with this problem. My bike was at Yamaha City for two months until the owner himself found the problem that the special Yamaha techs could not. Bikes were sent back to Japan and several owners had Yamaha buy their bike back from them after threats by a very vocal group of owners. The BIG Jack Hammer problem was related to the drive belt, they were defective in some way and the belt design was later changed but owners were not told and complaints to Yamaha only resulted in being blown off or if you were willing to start an all out war with the company they would reluctantly quietly make repairs for you while continuing to tell others nothing was wrong with the bikes! Letters were written to Japan, the Attorney General of California and lots of other places and it was ugly. I openly wrote that the then head of Yamaha customer service should be dismissed, what I said was "fired" and I addressed my comments to the Japanese management. Poofffff at some point he was no longer head of Customer Service but I don't know why really? If the head of customer service for a company will not help correct a problem then he is not doing a very good job is he? Everyone has a boss and the boss gets pissed when continued trouble is unresolved so it is important to make a fuss. It is important to make a big fuss and to continue to do so until you get resolution. Sometimes it's almost not worth it. It all depends on how badly you want to make a point. I seriously doubt Yamaha is any better at warranty claims than Kawasaki and from what I've seen here I would say Kawasaki is doing a pretty good job overall... New rotors being replaced....unheard of from some manufacturers... three year warranty standard.... that's pretty good especially given we can purchase additional warranty cheap!
I swore I would never ever buy another Yamaha product again and till this day I have not nor will I ever! So I understand why you hate Kawasaki. I understand how you felt when they would not repair your KiPass and would only clean the switch mechanism. I understand that in your opinion the company acted dishonorably. Believe it or not I support you and your frustration with Kawasaki and what we should have done was to write a collective letter to Kawasaki demanding replacement of defective parts. You bailed a bit before it got to that point...
I wouldn't ride a Yamaha for anything! Not because they are bad bikes but because in 1999 I made a promise never to do so and I have a long memory.
Not all that different from your experience with Kawasaki...
What the heck is up with Yamaha's pricing? Are they on crack??? No doubt the FJR is a good bike and the Tenere is a decent bike but lets get real!!! The bikes are over priced and if dealers don't deal then they will continue to lose market share and from what I have read they haven't invested in the small bike markets in developing countries... maybe management is missing a gear or two?
Your mileage may vary...
vivo
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Totally agree with that one, Bob. I hate that darn low fuel message thingy...
Drives me bonkers. One day I am going to wreck trying to give it the two finger deal.
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2008 ABS, hasn't seen the inside of the dealership since the day it was purchased. Zero Kipass issues and the original TPMS still works, both wheels. Zero issues of any kind, just change the fluids and tires. So far can't see what all the fuss is about. I may have to donate this one to the Kawi museum. ::)
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Well thanks for the offer to blame me for your rantings but I respectfully decline. You are on your own. Don't get me wrong, I am not put off in any way, and actually enjoy baiting you but this situation is now, and always has been, totally in your control.
But of course I know better than really applying reason here- the only thing left is the humor. So by all means, turn your axe over and grind away at the other side for a while. Here, I will help you: why is it that dem dare Yamahahahahs have so many mufflers? Can't Yamaha figure out how to weld four pipes into one, larger, pipe?
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And, as always... (http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)
Brian
Most of what you consider bashing is in direct response to your comments, most of the time! Besides, someone has to counter the "C14 has never had a problem" BS your always insinuating!!!! :rotflmao:
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Well thanks for the offer to blame me for your rantings but I respectfully decline. You are on your own. Don't get me wrong, I am not put off in any way, and actually enjoy baiting you but this situation is now, and always has been, totally in your control.
But of course I know better than really applying reason here- the only thing left is the humor. So by all means, turn your axe over and grind away at the other side for a while. Here, I will help you: why is it that dem dare Yamahahahahs have so many mufflers? Can't Yamaha figure out how to weld four pipes into one, larger, pipe?
(http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/popcorn.gif)
And, as always... (http://zggtr.org/Smileys/default/ROTFLMAO.gif)
Brian
Well, I'm not a feejer guy, but I will actually jump in on this one Brian... The Connie is much better with duals IMO! 8)
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Well I may be of a different mind Bob. I still hate Yamaha as a company. I will go as far as to say Yamaha makes fine drums but I would never consider owning them as I refuse to support that company. This is all we as consumers can do. It is personal with me. I dont bash the company but I will not support it ever. If I owned a Yamaha I might consider keeping it provided it was special to me. I have owner bikes that had problems such as a recent. Aprilia but I can forgive design issues. Deceptive treatment of issues is a different matter... but its no longer 1999.... and I still keep my vow.
Vivo
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Well, I'm not a feejer guy, but I will actually jump in on this one Brian... The Connie is much better with duals IMO! 8)
by using basic geometry, for the same flow area, one exhaust will be lighter than 2 exhausts. Also, even if using the same open area, the single exhaust is less restrictive than the 2 exhaust. Just comparing apples to apples....
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by using basic geometry, for the same flow area, one exhaust will be lighter than 2 exhausts. Also, even if using the same open area, the single exhaust is less restrictive than the 2 exhaust. Just comparing apples to apples....
The stock potato launcher these come with weigh the equivalent of 10 dual exhaust and a bowling ball, lift with your legs if you remove yours... :o
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Drives me bonkers. One day I am going to wreck trying to give it the two finger deal.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Ran into the back of a C10 because of that darn message.
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Man, you guys are nuts (in a good way), ;D. Enjoying the thread! :popcorn:
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Wow Jim, what message made you run into the bike in front of you? Was it "Run into the bike in front of you?" Was it the 'low fuel' warning and seeing as you were running out out of fuel you decided to cause as many bikes as possible to stop with you, in sort of a 'misery loves company' way?
I wonder if Cap'n Bob saw a message that said 'Buy a Fudger"?
Brian
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Ran into the back of a C10 because of that darn message.
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It's all doom and gloom if you read this Site, but the bike is fantastic!
It munches tires if you ride hard, and tickets are easy to get. That's the only problems I've had. 8)
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Yea the bullchit factor is through the roof on this site.
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/icon_worship.gif)KiPass(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/icon_worship.gif) has allowed 41,000 "issue free" miles on my C14. Hasn't ever left me stranded.
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I wonder if Cap'n Bob saw a message that said 'Buy a Fudger"?
Brian
No message at all. It was actually the blank screen that appeared time and time again after pushing in the key switch in and having KIPASS not work! ;D
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No message at all. It was actually the blank screen that appeared time and time again after pushing in the key switch in and having KIPASS not work! ;D
Good one!
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Ah, the subliminal message. Very tricky. I assume you conversed with your invisible friends in the invisible sidecar and everyone agreed that a Fudger would be the best way to go. Excellent decision!
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Brian
No message at all. It was actually the blank screen that appeared time and time again after pushing in the key switch in and having KIPASS not work! ;D
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Wow Jim, what message made you run into the bike in front of you? Was it "Run into the bike in front of you?" Was it the 'low fuel' warning and seeing as you were running out out of fuel you decided to cause as many bikes as possible to stop with you, in sort of a 'misery loves company' way?
I wonder if Cap'n Bob saw a message that said 'Buy a Fudger"?
Brian
Running the bike at a spirited pace behind the leader (C10). Not close but close enough. He decided to slow down quickly to make a right turn. A millisecond before he tapped his brakes and slowed the message for low fuel came up on my bike and I looked down. Looked back up and said 'Oh my' and initiated the ABS system. It allowed me to move to the left but not quite enough. I scuffed his left case but my right front fairing was holed. I wobbled a bit but stayed upright to continue the ride. The moral of this is to not follow too close under any circumstances (my fault) and don't take my eyes off the road in a group ride or any ride for that matter. I do believe the ABS kept me upright and allowed me to maneuver away from the target sufficiently to prevent a worse condition or a high side.
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Well it sounds like it could have been a lot worse.
Brian
Running the bike at a spirited pace behind the leader (C10). Not close but close enough. He decided to slow down quickly to make a right turn. A millisecond before he tapped his brakes and slowed the message for low fuel came up on my bike and I looked down. Looked back up and said 'Oh my' and initiated the ABS system. It allowed me to move to the left but not quite enough. I scuffed his left case but my right front fairing was holed. I wobbled a bit but stayed upright to continue the ride. The moral of this is to not follow too close under any circumstances (my fault) and don't take my eyes off the road in a group ride or any ride for that matter. I do believe the ABS kept me upright and allowed me to maneuver away from the target sufficiently to prevent a worse condition or a high side.
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I am so disgruntled with my '14!! After a measly 49,000 miles my front bearings were shot. I think I will trade it in on a Sportster 8)
Thats funny, wait both of my last 2 bikes went close to 100k and I did not replace any wheel bearings. Oh right they were Hondas. All bikes have some issues but I think 49k is a little early to be replacing bearings. I had to replace the bearing in the final drive at 10k, to soon.
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Did I miss it in the 9 pages or did Mimurph buy the C14?
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I don't know what the big deal about the sixth gear is. It's almost useless for anything other than cruising on the highway. Or just putting along the back roads. Mine always seemed to have the power band too low when I wanted power in that gear. So you tend to have to downshift to a lower gear.
I personally wouldn't have cared if the C14 had a five or six speed. The six speed might help fuel mileage slightly. But I tend to prefer the power bands that the five speeds gives you in their gearing. Does anybody use their sixth gear when really riding the bike? Or is this all about cruising and MPG?
well i think thats what sixth gear is for......hello
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"I guess what Im asking is, If you had to do it again, Would you? "
Yes. I had warranty issues (rotors) with my 08 C14 back in 2008. After I got it taken care of at a dealer that took care of me, I sold it the next day to buy a 2008 ZX14.
Fast forward to October 2011 and I find a great deal on a 2010 C14 w/ABS. Jumped all over it and it now resides next to my 2007 ZX14.
Stuff happens. What matters is, how do you view what happens? ;)
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Reminds me very much of "chinese whispers" when threads get lengthy, its amazing how from the 1st asking thread where it ends up at on the 9th page!
In answer to the original question, YES without a doubt. selling my 08 right now awaiting an 09. question answered.
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Especially when there is a six-month gap on page 9. Holy thread revival, Batman!
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I moderate a Yamaha 2 stroke sight and right now the first two pages are "problem posts"
No doubt grammar related? ;D
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Yea the bullchit factor is through the roof on this site.
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/icon_worship.gif)KiPass(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/icon_worship.gif) has allowed 41,000 "issue free" miles on my C14. Hasn't ever left me stranded.
It can be safely said that you have contributed about 90% of all KI-Pass related posts. :)
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Especially when there is a six-month gap on page 9. Holy thread revival, Batman!
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Do ya think that they really needed to put eyebrows on Batman's mask? :o
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You know, I never noticed that before. I wonder if he changes them based on his mood?
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You know, I never noticed that before. I wonder if he changes them based on his mood?
Like Mr Potato Head?
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Especially when there is a six-month gap on page 9. Holy thread revival, Batman!
Quite. But it shows that someone is reading them in addition to the web spiders.
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Like Mr Potato Head?
You know, you really should quit posting pictures of yourself here.
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You know, you really should quit posting pictures of yourself here.
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Kinda like eyes in the back of mine head, but lower.
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Only problem I've had are loose header nuts. Other than that it is a great bike for the money even took it to Alaska on a 9000 mile round trip. Would I buy another one. Definitely, in a few years, hopefully with an updated engine and a swith that will allow me to disable the link ABS system. That is all.
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Mr. Connie stock exhaust head?? :-\
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Well. I did sell my c14. It's a great bike and I had 0 issues with it. I also sold my Moto Guzzi Griso, another great bike that I had loved. The Griso made all the right noises and it felt like a motorcycle. I loved the feel of that engine but it just had no luggage and wasn't really a two up ride as I had it set up. The Connie was nice, loved the luggage, but it never did what the Griso did for me and so I ordered a 2013 MotoGuzzi Stelvio NTX as a bike that has the kind of engine I like but with touring capability, big panniers and such. It's no match to the Connie for outright acceleration .
Would I buy another Concours? No, but not because it's not a good bike. It's a very good machine. Kipass on my bike was flawless, my bags didn't bounce off and I ran without the extra heat shields on the 09 and had no complaints at all. I just like the feel of a twin and the sounds and I've come to love Guzzi's.
My first bike was a Kawasaki Avenger 350. I loved that bike! I loved my Griso and for a very long while I loved my 2000 Triumph Speed Triple but then one day I thought the Triumph was getting to be less fun and I only seemed to like riding the Speedtriple hard, it didn't lay back and chill like the Griso did. I sold my Triumph and got the Guzzi and while the Guzzi didn't have the power of the triple it always made me love winding out the gears on a back road. It sounded glorious and would thump along with a nice rumble .
So, I hope I love the Stelvio like I did my Griso. It's got more power and it's a lot of bike with heated grips, top box, alum panniers, crash bars, sump protection, aux lighting. I will miss the electric shield on my Connie and I loved the NON ABS brakes, in my opinion these were the best of any bike I've owned!
The Stelvio has abs and traction control standard but that stuff never moved me.
So, one day I said, the Griso is a great bike but the Stelvio is a better fit and then nothing much happened. Then a year later I said I think the new Stelvio can do what I want and promptly traded my bikes in to order the Stelvio. I had no real reason to do it except it felt like a better fit for me.
Vivo
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The Stelvio is very nice. I read about them and I know one guy with the last version. I like the 8.5 gallon gas tank. There aren't enough dealers around me to concider buying one. I also love the 3 year warranty offered on the Kawasaki.
Enjoy it.
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That Stelvio is so sexy!
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My 2009 C-14 is my 27th motorcycle. It's a good bike. Nothing special, but a good dependable bike. Have enjoyed riding it. Had it for a little over a year. I'm bored with it and will hopefully be getting something different soon. Don't know what.
Life's too short to be stuck with riding one kind of bike. ;)
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I've only had my 09 C14 since this past summer and put 6,000 miles on her. Only problems I've had was the dreaded valve cover oil leak at the left front corner, which i did myself....so far so good. Not happy with the crap front rotors. Gets worse as they get hotter. Kawi wont warranty them either a --holes. That's it for me. The best bike I have ever owned was my 2001 GL1800. That thing was so bulletproof!! I miss it sometimes BUT I just gotta tell you the minor inconveniences I've had with my C14, are really nothing compared top the huge fun I have on it!! This thing will walk away from a GL1800 no problem at all!! I love the way it looks and handles. I like the fact that its not the bus like my 1800 was. Like the wind back in my face motorcycling again! Sport touring is what I really enjoy now!! I'm expecting more maintenance on my C14 compared to the Wing, but hell its so much more fun to ride! I will certainly get another one once I wear this one out which will take a while! Hope you get one, you'll have a blast on it!
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There is certain times when I feel like clutching and shifting into 7th (warp speed). You need atleast a 6-speed.
There is no other bike in this price range that compares. Especially when you factor in what most of us really paid compared to MSRP. I was over $2,000 under MSRP. Honda and Yamaha dealers near me don't budge much on their prices. $500 bucks here and there.
Bam! More bang for your buck! $12,699 for my 2012. I too had my heart set on a BMW, but you could buy 2 for the price of the K1600GTL. I have 'bout 2.6K on mine and have had minor issues i.e. stripped nuts, not the bike's fault, but the zipper head's that assembled it at the dealer's shop. Define your mission and then find your bike. This isn't a cruiser, a dirt bike, a strict touring bike, a sport bike. It's a fast/heavy tweener (sport/touring). Luv the C14 . . .no regrets.
Bill
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Bam! More bang for your buck! $12,699 for my 2012. I too had my heart set on a BMW, but you could buy 2 for the price of the K1600GTL. I have 'bout 2.6K on mine and have had minor issues i.e. stripped nuts, not the bike's fault, but the zipper head's that assembled it at the dealer's shop. Define your mission and then find your bike. This isn't a cruiser, a dirt bike, a strict touring bike, a sport bike. It's a fast/heavy tweener (sport/touring). Luv the C14 . . .no regrets.
Bill
Yeah but some say quality not quantity. I'm starting to like the fact the BMW version of KiPass also controls the luggage and fuel......
But I just don't know if it has the mad POW_AH of kawasaki's to protect the bike (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
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Yeah but some say quality not quantity.
That whole "BMW Quality" thing is just good marketing, but not reality. My experience with that marque (K1200GT)was the worst I've had out of 26 different bikes over the years. I just can't imagine the expense of keeping the 1600 with all its bells and whistles on the road.
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In the past twelve months I have bought my first German car and motorcycle - both BMWs. I can honestly say I have never seen quality being marketed for them. What I have seen is that they are being marketed as superior driving machines (yeah, I know that sounds hokey). No question they have their quirks, some of which are a pain in the ass to live with (more the car than the motorcycle). But I can tell you that so far I have zero regrets about buying the 1600GT. And yes, it cost a lot more than the Concours. Folks need to get over that. They know it's more expensive and the buyers know it is. There is no deception about the price. A Rolex watch doesn't keep any better time than a Timex, but they sell a shitload of them at stupid prices anyway. Not every company tries to be the low cost company.
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I view the 1600 as more direct competition for the Gold Wing, than for bikes like the C14 or FJR.
In it's touring form, the beemer offers similar appointments in a roomier package than the wing.
Both the Triumph Trophy and the BMW represent a much larger class of machine, than previous types of sport-touring bikes like the connie.
They're very nice looking, but really too far off the path for my taste.
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But I can tell you that so far I have zero regrets about buying the 1600GT. And yes, it cost a lot more than the Concours. Folks need to get over that. They know it's more expensive and the buyers know it is
- how has yr ownership of the K16 been so far ?
- have you experienced the standard "issues" with the K16 ?
- back to back with your C14 , what are your impressions ?
- have been thinking of a K16 for a while now , but the issues and sheer complexity of the bike scared me off. Price is a non issue , but bullet proof reliability is , esp when far far from home on one of these machines. I ride often on roads which I would even have trouble giving directions to , assuming there was even a cell phone service there ....
- thanks in advance for your views
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Bikes have become so specialized that there is no one perfect bike. I have 5 bikes to cover my riding needs. When I first started riding in 1981 I could cover all my riding needs with two bikes. My XS750 could go from full touring bike to cafe racer in an hour.
I think the perfect bike for me right now would be a full size adventure bike like the Ducati Multistrada or Triumph Explorer. But, would I risk travelling 49 states on either of these bikes? Limited dealer network, supply of parts, etc.
I like knowing that there are Kawasaki shops all over. Might have to wait on a part a few days, but at least it is not months.