Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: vivo on July 08, 2011, 11:13:26 PM
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Has anyone ridden both the full Area P system, fuel moto PCV, flies out AND the same specs but with just a slip on? I am about to order from Fuel Moto and would like advise as to what the real difference between the Slip and Full monti is apart from more overall HP at the top? I would have liked to see the dyno chart of a slip on with flies out verses in but it's not posted on Fuel Motos site... anyone have a comparison?
Thanks...
vivo
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:popcorn:
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http://fuelmotousa.com/2008_kawasaki_zg1400_concours.htm (http://fuelmotousa.com/2008_kawasaki_zg1400_concours.htm)
The charts are there...
Has anyone ridden both the full Area P system, fuel moto PCV, flies out AND the same specs but with just a slip on? I am about to order from Fuel Moto and would like advise as to what the real difference between the Slip and Full monti is apart from more overall HP at the top? I would have liked to see the dyno chart of a slip on with flies out verses in but it's not posted on Fuel Motos site... anyone have a comparison?
Thanks...
vivo
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Well yes I've seen these dnyo charts ... they show flies out modsand stock. I wondered about slip on flies in vrs flies out... also ride comparisons between full system and slip on both flies out.
Vivo
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I don't trust seat of the pants at all, and the stock C14 makes more power than most anyone can use. That said, mine made 149 HP on the dyno with the AreaP full system, flies out, and Fuel Moto map. You will be happy with it.
I did run the slip-on and flies out map first.
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My butt dyno results have really impressed me!!!! :thumbs:
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So, slip-on verses full system... given it is more trouble to pull the plastics and do a full system is it worth doing? More power than anyone can ever use almost sounds like enough but the stock Connie while having an abundance of power when cranking it on, sometimes feels less linear than I would like.
If you've tried both systems with files out is it enough of a difference with a full system to warrant the extra expense or trouble fitting it? I am looking for impressions on how it feels with the butt dyno, numbers are great too but FEEL is just as valid I think?
no doubt I would most likely be satisfied with both slip on, flies out and full system, flies out but not having ridden either will I notice a difference?
vivo
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A full system will give you at "minimum" a 10% hp gain, which is pretty substantial IMO...
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I was trying to talk myself into a slip-on but I really want to get rid of the cats and after seeing a pic of the stock header next to an AreaP I'm sold. The usual downside to a full system is a softer bottom end but I think doing the flies at the same time should solve that.
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It is the very best 4-2-1 System made for the C-14..period!
Ninja
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I can't comment on the slip on only setup but dyno charts show that it doesn't do much for the bike power-wise. I was running flies out, PCV, stock exhaust and installed the full system last weekend along with a BMC air filter and it REALLY woke up the bike. It actually has some top end now, which is something I desperately wanted from this bike having come from an FZ1 which made amazing power above 7k. The bike seems to have picked up significant torque across the board with the full system. When going WOT in 1st gear the front tire will shoot straight up at about 5k if you have traction. And that's with my 300lbs in the saddle.
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It is the very best 4-2-1 System made for the C-14..period!
Ninja
True... but a dual full system is even better right Ninja! ;)
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The muzzy full system leaves nothing to be desired.
The AreaP leaves nothing to be desired in a single exhaust!
I know.....I enjoy both.....really love the muzzy with ceramic coating. Wish everyone could test both units. Each system.....is just perfect!
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It is the very best 4-2-1 System made for the C-14..period!
Ninja
+1 its the best.
Talk with Kerry at area p if you need questions answered other than the "internet facts". 714-630-2386
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You cant go wrong with Area P or Muzzy.........
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OP, got tired of reading what everyone else had to say. It is always the same and comes down to opinions. I posted the results of a dyno run of my bike with Area P slip on, PCV, flies out, and K&N airfilter and about 1600 miles on my 09...151 hp! I am sorry I don't have torque figures. The run on the dyno was a free one and they just provided a hp figure. Power feels great all over the place, freeway runs at 70-75 mph are yielding 42-43 mpg. I wish the fuel mileage was a little better, but I am very happy with my set up. I ride everyday.
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OP, got tired of reading what everyone else had to say. It is always the same and comes down to opinions. I posted the results of a dyno run of my bike with Area P slip on, PCV, flies out, and K&N airfilter and about 1600 miles on my 09...151 hp! I am sorry I don't have torque figures. The run on the dyno was a free one and they just provided a hp figure. Power feels great all over the place, freeway runs at 70-75 mph are yielding 42-43 mpg. I wish the fuel mileage was a little better, but I am very happy with my set up. I ride everyday.
151 hp with the stock header and a slip-on? :o (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/confused1.gif)
Can you post up the chart for us Rob?
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It's immaterial. That dyno could show high numbers. It may be 142 on another dyno. No way of knowing. I don't get all religious about dyno sheets, but the fact is, that sounds VERY high for just a slip-on. That is full Area P and all the mods, flys out, numbers.
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Exactly, that is why I advocate getting before AND after dyno runs. The actual numbers mean nothing, it is the gain that you are looking for.
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Forgot to mention that mine is black! ;D
I learned several bikes ago that full exhaust on road going bikes aren't worth the extra dough to me. OP good luck with whatever you chose!
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Damn it!
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;)
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Exactly, that is why I advocate getting before AND after dyno runs. The actual numbers mean nothing, it is the gain that you are looking for.
Agreed!
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The muzzy full system leaves nothing to be desired.
The AreaP leaves nothing to be desired in a single exhaust!
I know.....I enjoy both.....really love the muzzy with ceramic coating. Wish everyone could test both units. Each system.....is just perfect!
Ninja .... I presently have a Holeshot single slip on that I like, expecially the sound. I had full Area Ps on my ZX14 and they were waaaaaaaaay louder than I wanted. Could not ride without ear plugs and no one would ride behind me.
I wonder how the Area P 4-2-1 system for the C14 compares with the Muzzy full 4-2-2 sound -wise, and how each feels pulling off the line? My present system is quite fast, and I have the ECM re-Flashed by Dynotronics ... really nice and quite fast, too.
Did you do any dyno's with both systems, Ninja?
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I've decided to go the full Area P system... but it's backordered ... I am still going to do it as I need something a bit more engaging... and the potato launcher has to go bringing the bike more toward the Sport side of things... then black powder coating on wheels, carbon can, some extra umphhh and sound track... what's not to like?
vivo
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I've decided to go the full Area P system... but it's backordered ... I am still going to do it as I need something a bit more engaging... and the potato launcher has to go bringing the bike more toward the Sport side of things... then black powder coating on wheels, carbon can, some extra umphhh and sound track... what's not to like?
vivo
Keep checking the classifieds here Vivo, 2 of these full AP systems have been sold here just in the past couple weeks. There's also currently a full Muzzys dual system on there, which I personally like... :thumbs:
Here's the link:
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=2629.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=2629.0)
Also, good call on powder coating the wheels brutha, I like you're style! ;) 8)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/IMG00397-20110713-1748.jpg)
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The whole point of going with a full system is that the header pipes are larger, and/or tuned differently for less restriction. 90% of the restriction and scavenging effect happens prior to the header junctions. Also a better exhaust flow will tend to lean out the mixture.
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Internet dyno numbers are about useless. No two dyno's will show the same. Plus to dyno before/after one needs to do the dyno pulls the same day during the same temp/humidity/etc.
I posted the number to Kerry at Area P
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I recently upgraded from a 2 Bros slip on with Flies out, and PCV to the Area-P full system & a BMC filter. The difference is significant above 6,000 RPM. From 6k up to 10k, the bike pulls so much stronger. I didn't do a Dyno pull with just the slip on, but it pulled 147.7 hp with the full system installed. My mpg also increased from 43 to 48.
Several people have commented that Dyno numbers can vary between Dynos, and different days/temp/humidity. This is very true, but check this out; 2 dudes dropped their Hayabusas on the same Dyno right after me, and they pulled 155 HP and 163 HP. Both of them had aftermarket pipes and who knows what else.
This thing sounds totally Sick!
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I recently upgraded from a 2 Bros slip on with Flies out, and PCV to the Area-P full system & a BMC filter. The difference is significant above 6,000 RPM. From 6k up to 10k, the bike pulls so much stronger. I didn't do a Dyno pull with just the slip on, but it pulled 147.7 hp with the full system installed. My mpg also increased from 43 to 48.
Several people have commented that Dyno numbers can vary between Dynos, and different days/temp/humidity. This is very true, but check this out; 2 dudes dropped their Hayabusas on the same Dyno right after me, and they pulled 155 HP and 163 HP. Both of them had aftermarket pipes and who knows what else.
This thing sounds totally Sick!
going from 2 Bro's to Area P is like going from Ford Pinto stock to Porsche 911 twin turbo with nitrous added (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/dblthumb2.gif)
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going from 2 Bro's to Area P is like going from Ford Pinto stock to Porsche 911 twin turbo with nitrous added (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/dblthumb2.gif)
Hey Steve, aren't you still running the stock exhaust?
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Hey Steve, aren't you still running the stock exhaust?
Most definitely, bone stock with ECO mode enabled (on THIS bike). "Most distance and mileage" between stops is utmost importance to me (on THIS bike).
However, for those wanting optimal performance and max fuel air to be processed through the bike its area p, bmc or k&N filter, and proper PC/mapping.
Thats a no brainer.