Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: GTRrob on July 17, 2017, 04:58:57 PM
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Hey guys. Had to get a new lid for my storage bin on the gas tank of my 09 connie. It took awhile for parts to arrive, so.... I forgot how the damn thing should go back together! Just the spring placement really. There are two springs, one right, one left. Can somebody post some pics or maybe walk me thru how to align them? I don't want to break it again. The lid and hinge connections are very fragile...
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Ends of springs attached to "A"
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Other angle, ends of springs are "A", "B" are springs, "C" is lid, "D" is cover. Can't explain it myself better, I have a gen2 with locked storage on the left side.
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Thanks! Pic not great but helpful 😉 Plz keep photos and info coming guys!
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Where did you find the info? I suck at the interwebs...
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Where did you find the info? I suck at the interwebs...
That is from the copyrighted gen1 factory manual. Posting or linking to which would be illegal (and against the rules of the forum) (you can obtain it by purchasing from a Kawasaki dealer). A few excerpts here-or-there (like I did) is legal under what is known as "fair use". The photos in the manual do, in fact, suck. I have often had great difficulty trying to decipher their photos. I would supply actual photos, except (like I said earlier), we don't have that assembly on the gen2.
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That is from the copyrighted gen1 factory manual. Posting or linking to which would be illegal (and against the rules of the forum) (you can obtain it by purchasing from a Kawasaki dealer). A few excerpts here-or-there (like I did) is legal under what is known as "fair use". The photos in the manual do, in fact, suck. I have often had great difficulty trying to decipher their photos. I would supply actual photos, except (like I said earlier), we don't have that assembly on the gen2.
Just out of curiosity have you got a link to the forum rules as I can't seem to find them in any of the expected locations (eg sticky thread in Introductions or in the Help section) ?
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Where did you find the info? I suck at the interwebs...
I'd probably use the second or 3rd results if i wanted a copy of the workshop manual:)
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When I try that link I get a Google page with a list of links but then a data content warning pops up and I would have to review it and hit the 'I agree' button to clear the warning. Never saw that before now. What did you find there Mike? Do you not get the warning page in the UK?
Brian
I'd probably use the second or 3rd results if i wanted a copy of the workshop manual:)
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Actually the rules are posted in the C14, The Bike board. However, in looking at them I don't see anything about posting copyrighted materials. There should be. I'm going to fix that oversight. Please fix your posts with the links to those materials. If you can't I'll fix them later today.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=436.msg3800#msg3800 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=436.msg3800#msg3800)
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When I try that link I get a Google page with a list of links but then a data content warning pops up and I would have to review it and hit the 'I agree' button to clear the warning. Never saw that before now. What did you find there Mike? Do you not get the warning page in the UK?
Brian
No warnings here on my laptop or phone
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Actually the rules are posted in the C14, The Bike board. However, in looking at them I don't see anything about posting copyrighted materials. There should be. I'm going to fix that oversight. Please fix your posts with the links to those materials. If you can't I'll fix them later today.
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=436.msg3800#msg3800 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=436.msg3800#msg3800)
To be pedantic shouldn't it saying something like "no posting of material you don't own the copyright for" . Also taken literally it also means no pictures/memes generated by someone else doesn't it?
Now where's that rabbit hole ;)
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OK, it must be on my end of the wire then. Probably some US Gummit thingy to help curb copyright infringement, or at least remove the excuse that 'I did not know I was stealing anything' and so forth.
We (the US) are having difficulties dealing with the balance between free speech and protecting intellectual material. Just like the rest of the world apparently, if the never- ending Internet squabble over The Pirate Bay is any indication.
Brian
No warnings here on my laptop or phone
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To be pedantic shouldn't it saying something like "no posting of material you don't own the copyright for" . Also taken literally it also means no pictures/memes generated by someone else doesn't it?
Now where's that rabbit hole ;)
Nah, it's essentially my interpretation of what's posted. In this case, I'm removing the links. Of course I can be overruled by a higher power...
However, I do like the word 'pedantic'. It's now the word of the day.
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Nah, it's essentially my interpretation of what's posted. In this case, I'm removing the links. Of course I can be overruled by a higher power...
However, I do like the word 'pedantic'. It's now the word of the day.
hang on, you're removing links to what is probably the worlds largest search engine?
seriously ?
we cant link to google now ?
would you be happier if the links were to google dot com rather than google dot co dot uk ?
Would suggesting that somebody go to google and search for "concours 1400 workshop manual" and follow the second link also get censored ?
Can you not see how ridiculous this looks :)
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Would suggesting that somebody go to google and search for "concours 1400 workshop manual" and follow the second link also get censored ?
Can you not see how ridiculous this looks :)
The forum does not condone nor support copyright infringement (especially materials related to the topic of the forum- C14, motorcycles, etc). Even a posting essentially saying "Oh, to get around the forum rules of posting a link, if you want to find and illegally download an illegal copy of the manual, just google this exact phrase" still runs afoul of the spirit of the rule. So although it seems ridiculous, it really isn't, and I agree with Jim.
Now you know why my first response on his query about source was so politically correct and well-rehearsed :)
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I don't give a crap how it looks. It is what it is.
hang on, you're removing links to what is probably the worlds largest search engine?
seriously ?
we cant link to google now ?
would you be happier if the links were to google dot com rather than google dot co dot uk ?
Would suggesting that somebody go to google and search for "concours 1400 workshop manual" and follow the second link also get censored ?
Can you not see how ridiculous this looks :)
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sheesh you guys really do get touchy on some subjects dont don't you. Hell its not as though I criticized your gun usage or anything sensitive is it ;)
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Yep, touchy subject right now in the US.
We have become extremely polarized in the US in the last, oh, maybe 10 years or so. There are a handful of 'hot button' issues here, one of which is whether or not to protect intellectual properties before anything is actually done to cause any infringement. I think that is exactly why I saw the warning overlay or whatever it was when I went to that link.
Anyway, too bad it went sideways so fast in this thread and I hope there are not too many feathers ruffled on either or any side.
Brian
sheesh you guys really do get touchy on some subjects dont don't you. Hell its not as though I criticized your gun usage or anything sensitive is it ;)
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Did you get the glove box back together on your bike?
Yep, the gen. 1 glove box is delicate and pretty cheesy; mine broke shortly after I bought the bike and a lot of them never did work quite right from brand new.
If you did not get yours together, I can take a look at mine and maybe take a photo or two that may help. I have not looked at mine in so long I just cannot remember how it goes together other than it can go together incorrectly and is really easy to break.
Let us know and I think we can get some more info. to you about it.
Brian
Where did you find the info? I suck at the interwebs...
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sheesh you guys really do get touchy on some subjects dont don't you. Hell its not as though I criticized your gun usage or anything sensitive is it ;)
Speaking of touchy, how's that open borders thing working out for you folk on the island? Still liking all the diversity and such?
To the OP... you can always dump the sandwich warmer and put a late model cover on in it's place.
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Yeah, lots of problems with the gen. 1 glovebox but I really like mine and find it useful. Easy to open and get to things while sitting on the bike, such as the garage door opener. The second batch on the '09's are much better because they use real screws that thread into tapped holes in the steel bracket; mine is the early one that uses the coarse sheet metal screws that fasten in plastic and they strip about 8 seconds before being touched with a screwdriver. I am always wary of them when helping other people on their bikes.
OFFTOPIC: Yep, there is another touchy issue in the US right now. ;D I had a Dutch friend who was really NOT pleased when the EU removed all the borders between the various member countries; this was back long before the current issue of refugees, his resistance was people moving from the eastern areas of the EC to The Netherlands without any restrictions or limits. Apparently it was causing a big surge in crime in the western EU, or at least that is what I got out of it.
Brian
Speaking of touchy, how's that open borders thing working out for you folk on the island? Still liking all the diversity and such?
To the OP... you can always dump the sandwich warmer and put a late model cover on in it's place.
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Only got playful due to Max making such an issue about it in the post where he posted some pictures, it didn't need the blow by blow justification (indeed its a sad day if you feel you have to justify things on a web forum) ;0
regarding Open Borders (another post) they're not really open. If I go to mainland Europe I still have to show my passport on leaving/entering the UK (ok in theory a driving licence will do in practice it's easier to use a passport)
Biggest difference is moving freely around mainland Europe once you're there, even post Brexit I doubt that will change
Back on topic, really need to get a new lid for mine, one of the locking lugs has snapped off
Yep, touchy subject right now in the US.
We have become extremely polarized in the US in the last, oh, maybe 10 years or so. There are a handful of 'hot button' issues here, one of which is whether or not to protect intellectual properties before anything is actually done to cause any infringement. I think that is exactly why I saw the warning overlay or whatever it was when I went to that link.
Anyway, too bad it went sideways so fast in this thread and I hope there are not too many feathers ruffled on either or any side.
Brian
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Only got playful due to Max making such an issue about it in the post where he posted some pictures, it didn't need the blow by blow justification
I thought being precise and yet informative would end it quickly. You proved me wrong :)
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I thought being precise and yet informative would end it quickly. You proved me wrong :)
it came over as being anally retentive :D
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GTRROB, do you still need more pictures? If so, I can take mine apart and take a few for you.
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One of the hooks has broken off mine (2008 ABS). I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop (hook to break) before I repair/replace it I guess. If there is someone out there with a reliable source of supply for a replacement cover I would appreciate the information. Yes, it gets hot in that little cubby hole but I like the convenience for storing my kickstand load spreader, flashlight, and multi-tool. It's really not very functional based upon its shallow depth but I found a use for it.
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I have an '09. I replaced the glove box lid and the little springs. Bought them from Ron Ayers in the OEM parts section. I think Revzilla and Bike Bandit also have a OEM parts section. If you like i can take pics. It comes in very handy. Mine is warm but not hot. Even in August in Florida. HTH
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it came over as being anally retentive :D
And know you finally know me! "To know me is to love me..." or something like that. Interestingly, I couldn't find the source of that cliche.
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I have an '09. I replaced the glove box lid and the little springs. Bought them from Ron Ayers in the OEM parts section. I think Revzilla and Bike Bandit also have a OEM parts section. If you like i can take pics. It comes in very handy. Mine is warm but not hot. Even in August in Florida. HTH
I found it at Bike Bandit (16146-0084). $83 + tax + S&H. For that piece of plastic I think I'll wait for it to completely fail before I replace it. Right now it just annoys me.
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I found it at Bike Bandit (16146-0084). $83 + tax + S&H. For that piece of plastic I think I'll wait for it to completely fail before I replace it. Right now it just annoys me.
How Much ?
ahhh you got the larger top section not just the opening lid
Lid Only
16146-0081 COVER-ASSY £ 18.60 € 20.46 $ 22.32
Cover
16146-0084 COVER-ASSY £ 61.50 € 67.65 $ 73.80
http://www.kawasakioriginalparts.com/road-bikes.html?blockref=99912-1486.G-06&machineid=754&year=2008&model=ZG1400A8F&country=GB (http://www.kawasakioriginalparts.com/road-bikes.html?blockref=99912-1486.G-06&machineid=754&year=2008&model=ZG1400A8F&country=GB)
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How Much ?
ahhh you got the larger top section not just the opening lid
Lid Only
16146-0081 COVER-ASSY £ 18.60 € 20.46 $ 22.32
Cover
16146-0084 COVER-ASSY £ 61.50 € 67.65 $ 73.80
http://www.kawasakioriginalparts.com/road-bikes.html?blockref=99912-1486.G-06&machineid=754&year=2008&model=ZG1400A8F&country=GB (http://www.kawasakioriginalparts.com/road-bikes.html?blockref=99912-1486.G-06&machineid=754&year=2008&model=ZG1400A8F&country=GB)
It does pay to actually read the part description vs. just relying on a part number. It's not terribly complex but the part numbers get a bit convoluted: 16146 / 16146A, -0081 / 0084. Then the drawing doesn't help when the arrow is pointing in the general direction of something, or worse, the drawing and description contradict.
$26 sounds much better for the actual piece that I need (Bike Bandit). The one from Kawasakioriginalparts.com is less expensive but it ships from GB I think.
Thanks for pointing that out. I've made similar mistakes with these drawings before. I ordered a screw and received a nut, paid more for S&H than the actual part because I didn't want to be pulled into the "spend an additional $40 and get FREE shipping" trap.
Jon
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Did you get the glove box back together on your bike?
Yep, the gen. 1 glove box is delicate and pretty cheesy; mine broke shortly after I bought the bike and a lot of them never did work quite right from brand new.
If you did not get yours together, I can take a look at mine and maybe take a photo or two that may help. I have not looked at mine in so long I just cannot remember how it goes together other than it can go together incorrectly and is really easy to break.
Let us know and I think we can get some more info. to you about it.
Brian
I did not put it together yet. I am messing with it now. The pics provided so far are not as helpful as I want. The spring doesn't seem to want to "stretch" over the humps i. The hinge if you will. If someone could take a few minutes to provide some decent pics from their own bike that would be greatly appreciated. I will keep fiddlong with it.