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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: Conrad on December 12, 2016, 05:06:46 AM
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Has anyone noticed an increase in false alerts by your radar detector with the proliferation of radar emitters/sensor arrays used in new car warning systems?
My older Passport keeps warning me of a nearby train when I'm nowhere near any train tracks. But I do see cars nearby that have blind spot warning systems.
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Started noticing that a couple of years ago with Chrysler minivans.
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Yup, I now have everything other than KA band turned off. Even KA I'm now getting some false alerts. I'm using a passport 9500ix and it is one of the best at mapping out false alerts. But if the RF source is moving, that feature doesn't help. My 9500 is about 4 years old. I've been wondering if Escort has put in more logic to map out cars with all the sensors and if it is time to upgrade.
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Has anyone noticed an increase in false alerts by your radar detector with the proliferation of radar emitters/sensor arrays used in new car warning systems?
My older Passport keeps warning me of a nearby train when I'm nowhere near any train tracks. But I do see cars nearby that have blind spot warning systems.
Yes. Certain vehicles are bad.
Audi sedans and SUVs
Cadillac Escalade
Chevy Malibu
Toyota Sienna minivans set off the laser detector if they have their active cruise control on.
List the ones you notice.
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Brother in law just got a new Honda Pilot. Adaptive cruise, Lane drift warning, auto braking, etc. I'm sure it sets off all kinds of false alerts.
We were messing around with it to see how far it would "drive" itself around a gradual curve. It does just fine for a while, then a message come up on the display "Drver imput required".
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Dateline: March 2, 2022:
The CDC announced new findings today clearly showing the link between the 12,000% increase in cancer deaths (mostly from spontaneous brain tumors) and the nearly-universal equipping of automobiles and other devices with autonomous sensing systems relying on radar and other micro-wave emitting equipment. Officials are quoted as saying, "Well, we never saw this coming. Who knew?"
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Yes. Certain vehicles are bad.
Audi sedans and SUVs
Cadillac Escalade
Chevy Malibu
Toyota Sienna minivans set off the laser detector if they have their active cruise control on.
List the ones you notice.
I thought that I was a pretty observant guy but, damn! You have a list already. I never really paid any attention to what models set off the detector or not. I'll start keeping a tally.
We just bought a new Mazda that has some of the radar goodies but not all of the options. The CX-5 only has the blind spot warning and the rear cross traffic alert. I haven't put my Passport in there yet but I'm wondering if it will even work correctly. The main reason that I haven't used it in the Mazda is because there's no 12v accessory outlet in the front of the dash and I'll need to hardwire it. I'll test it out before I do that but it's been too damn cold out for that kinda thing.
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No place to plug a phone charger? O THE HUMANITY
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No place to plug a phone charger? O THE HUMANITY
If I recall, that was also the biggest complaint about the Hindenburg. ;D
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:rotflmao: Maybe Conrad should be worried about his new car.
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I never really paid any attention to what models set off the detector or not. I'll start keeping a tally.
Me too
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I've noticed a lot of false K band alerts when nearing and passing large trucks (18 wheelers). Not sure if they're all running jammers or adaptive cruise or maybe they are just big reflectors of all the other bumper emitters on nearby autos. Kind of makes the detector almost useless when running on the slab.
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No place to plug a phone charger? O THE HUMANITY
The center arm rest has a compartment and inside is a 12v outlet. It would be unsightly to run a cord from the detector to the compartment ya know?
If I recall, that was also the biggest complaint about the Hindenburg. ;D
:rotflmao: Maybe Conrad should be worried about his new car.
The German Jetta was the one to worry about...
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My 9500 is about 4 years old. I've been wondering if Escort has put in more logic to map out cars with all the sensors and if it is time to upgrade.
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Yep, it is time. Sell me yours at a steeply discounted price. I only drive around old junk.
Wayne
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I've noticed a lot of false K band alerts when nearing and passing large trucks (18 wheelers). Not sure if they're all running jammers or adaptive cruise or maybe they are just big reflectors of all the other bumper emitters on nearby autos. Kind of makes the detector almost useless when running on the slab.
Most modern 18-wheelers have crash mitigation and/or adaptive cruise control systems, especially if they're big company trucks. My 2012 Volvo had them, and you wouldn't believe how many speeding cars that passed me would hit their brakes when their radar detector went off.
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:rotflmao:
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I read a recent Valentine ad in which they claim to have addressed this false reading issue.
Wayne
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Escort seems to have addressed the issue as well.
IVT Filter™
Updatable system automatically reduces false alerts from moving In-Vehicle Technology sources such as collision avoidance systems and adaptive cruise control.
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Escort seems to have addressed the issue as well.
IVT Filter™
Updatable system automatically reduces false alerts from moving In-Vehicle Technology sources such as collision avoidance systems and adaptive cruise control.
Excellent! I plan to look into this. Maybe Lonestar Cruiser will get his wish.
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I'm just going to throw this out there, and put on my bullet-proof vest before I do:
Why don't ya'll just drive the limit or a little over? :stirpot: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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I use it for the construction alerts.
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I'm just going to throw this out there, and put on my bullet-proof vest before I do:
Why don't ya'll just drive the limit or a little over? :stirpot: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:o
Something seems to have happened to my brain this morn. I can read the words that you typed but I'm not comprehending your meaning. Can you rephrase?
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Something seems to have happened to my brain this morn. I can read the words that you typed but I'm not comprehending your meaning. Can you rephrase?
SLOW DOWN!!! ;) ;)
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I read a recent Valentine ad in which they claim to have addressed this false reading issue.
Wayne
Yes, I need to look into that more. I typed in my serial number and the site said I already have that feature. I just need to turn it on. :-[ :-[ :P ::)
I'm just going to throw this out there, and put on my bullet-proof vest before I do:
Why don't ya'll just drive the limit or a little over? :stirpot: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
SLOW DOWN!!! ;) ;)
I don't understand.....
you know I'm getting older and I can no longer hear the high notes coming out of my speakers tweeters....yeah that must be it. ;)
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Okay, maybe I'm stating the obvious. When your radar detector goes off, if you are the primary target, its too late. Your speed has already been displayed on the radar unit. I dont care how fast you slow down. So, to use it to avoid being detected speeding only works some of the time. You will however, pick up warnings when other drivers are the target and it will give you the opportunity to adjust your speed. As far as laser speed detecting units there is very little to zero "bleed" over. So if your laser unit goes off, your pretty much toast. Yes, Law Enforcement Officers know this. One of the techniques used is to delay using the speed detection unit until some of the slower speeders have passed to hit the faster secondary speeders. Also, speed detection radars are only used to verify your speed after the Law Enforcement Officer has visually estimated your speed. With training and practice you can be within +- 2mph, every time. To me the use of speed detection units is more work and worry than they are worth. Im not saying I dont like to wind it out a little, I do. I know if I'm caught its time to pay the piper. Just keep in mind if you drive in excess of the speed limit its a crap shoot, with or without a detector. If you dont want a ticket, dont drive at excessive speeds. If you do, just accept the fact that you may receive a ticket. 8)
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Okay, maybe I'm stating the obvious. When your radar detector goes off, if you are the primary target, its too late. Your speed has already been displayed on the radar unit. I dont care how fast you slow down. So, to use it to avoid being detected speeding only works some of the time. You will however, pick up warnings when other drivers are the target and it will give you the opportunity to adjust your speed. As far as laser speed detecting units there is very little to zero "bleed" over. So if your laser unit goes off, your pretty much toast. Yes, Law Enforcement Officers know this. One of the techniques used is to delay using the speed detection unit until some of the slower speeders have passed to hit the faster secondary speeders. Also, speed detection radars are only used to verify your speed after the Law Enforcement Officer has visually estimated your speed. With training and practice you can be within +- 2mph, every time. To me the use of speed detection units is more work and worry than they are worth. Im not saying I dont like to wind it out a little, I do. I know if I'm caught its time to pay the piper. Just keep in mind if you drive in excess of the speed limit its a crap shoot, with or without a detector. If you dont want a ticket, dont drive at excessive speeds. If you do, just accept the fact that you may receive a ticket. 8)
I've been using a radar detector of one kind or another since 1990 and they have saved me from receiving tickets more times than I can count (I can still count pretty high fyi). Even with a detector you still have to drive judiciously.
I think that you're pretty much preaching to the choir here. Most of us on this forum are mature (year wise) riders/drivers and we know how to use a detector.
The last time that I got pulled over for speeding it wasn't the detector that saved me from receiving a well deserved performance award, it was the fact that the LEO ran out of tickets. :D
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I'm just going to throw this out there, and put on my bullet-proof vest before I do:
Why don't ya'll just drive the limit or a little over? :stirpot: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I used to do exactly that. Then I bought a C14. Seems to be completely impossible now ;D
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I used to do exactly that. Then I bought a C14. Seems to be completely impossible now ;D
No argument from me on that one. Even with my '06 it's a lot of fun. Can't imagine on a C14.
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It's very difficult indeed, to keep the speed down on the C14. Many a time on a 55 road I look down and see I'm doing 70. The bike is too smooth. On my C10, I could tell. On the C14 not so much.
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I feel you on that one. It was VERY difficult when I first got mine. I still have to pay very close attention. Heck, Im usually over while still in second! The analog speed'o makes it a bit of a challenge. Not to mention mine is about 3 to 5 mph off, depending on the speed. I use an app on my phone to help with that when I dont have my GPS on board. ???
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If you can't slow down, at least you have 2 giant boxes you can fill with caltrops.
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Sounds like time for a class action lawsuit against Kawasaki for making a motorcycle that is too easy to speed with, virtually forcing people to break the speed limit even when they don't want to. They SHOULD HAVE KNOWN that riders would abuse the power and speed potential, and they INTENTIONALLY engineered, produced, marketed and sold a bike with too much performance.
Kawasaki should be forced to pay everyone's speeding tickets.
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If you can't slow down, at least you have 2 giant boxes you can fill with caltrops.
I had to google caltrops since I had no idea what they are. :)
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Those are the things you throw on the ground where the revenuers hide for their speed trap....or so I heard. 8)
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I finally tried out my older Passport in the new Mazda to see if the onboard radar (blind spot and rear cross traffic) would give false alerts or not. It worked just fine. So I guess the system that Mazda uses must not use the same frequency as traffic radar.
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I finally tried out my older Passport in the new Mazda to see if the onboard radar (blind spot and rear cross traffic) would give false alerts or not. It worked just fine. So I guess the system that Mazda uses must not use the same frequency as traffic radar.
Was your Passport inside the Mazda? Or did you try it from another vehicle with the Mazda going past it? Seems like it might make a difference.
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Was your Passport inside the Mazda? Or did you try it from another vehicle with the Mazda going past it? Seems like it might make a difference.
It was inside the Mazda and mounted on the windshield. Worked perfectly. Now I just need to get it hardwired, maybe sometime in the spring when it warms up.
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Might be interesting with the Mazda running, take the passport behind and in front of the car and see if it triggers and alert.
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The vehicle has to be in gear for the radars to turn on (at least that's how it works in my ford), so you'll need a buddy to help out if you want to test it.
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Yes, the vehicle has to be moving over a certain forward speed (6.3mph) for the blindspot monitors to work and it has to be in reverse for the rear cross traffic monitors to work. I drove the car into town with the detector working, no false alerts.
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I've been using a radar detector of one kind or another since 1990 and they have saved me from receiving tickets more times than I can count (I can still count pretty high fyi). Even with a detector you still have to drive judiciously.
I think that you're pretty much preaching to the choir here. Most of us on this forum are mature (year wise) riders/drivers and we know how to use a detector.
The last time that I got pulled over for speeding it wasn't the detector that saved me from receiving a well deserved performance award, it was the fact that the LEO ran out of tickets. :D
Having been on the opposite end of this for many years, I agree. Many Officers will keep the radar unit on continuously or turn it on and off repeatedly while scanning the traffic. In either of these cases, more so the first, you will get a good warning. That is exactly why the visual estimation is primary and the radar only backs up the estimation.
I have had many court cases where the defendant comes in with the internet's best "How to beat a radar ticket" advice only to have the Judge ask me if its okay to have the radar evidence thrown out to save us all some time. Defendant is summarily found guilty based upon the Officers visual estimation.
All that being said, my own personal approach was to ask if they realized how fast they were going after i stop them. If the response was honest and within reason I simply wrote the ticket for 5 mph over the limit or issued a verbal warning. Old timer on the job called this the "Voluntary Compliance Rule". If you were doing 90 in a 55 and got written for 60, wouldn't that cause you to think the next time you start pushing it to remember the break you got and slow down? I love the C14 and have the same issue keeping her slow, guess when i get pulled over next ill just smile and say "Can you blame me?" 8)
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Indiana and Ohio LEO's seem to be way too obsessed with speeding. WHen asking them why the often reply ..."because we are trying to make the roads safer"......I laugh and they ask why I laugh.....opens the door......I say "because if you really wanted to make the roads safer you might actually pull over the 3 people texting you passed after you made your U turn on the way to catch me....other wise just be truthful and say that you are in a giant money grab and speeders are easy pickens." Drove that point home the last 3 performance awards over 5 years and manage to get it in with every LEO I meet in a social setting. Their excuse is that there is too much money at stake by the phone carriers and the laws are unenforceable.