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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: BigAlan on October 28, 2016, 11:47:28 AM

Title: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: BigAlan on October 28, 2016, 11:47:28 AM
I have a 2011 GTR (Concours) and would like to have the ability to read fault codes, program those pesky TPS sensors and generally have a nose around what can be done. Does anybody have a link to where i can purchase the USB interface lead? I know the software is expensive so will continue to look around for a cheaper copy.

Thanks
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on October 28, 2016, 12:52:45 PM
It ain't just leads and software.... its a system, with an interface module and stuff...
No cheap way out, sorry... gotta buy the whole ball of wax to get what you want.
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: VirginiaJim on October 28, 2016, 01:04:22 PM
Something similar or very much like this..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-Diagnostic-System-Version-3-with-Cables-KDS-57001-1648-/311727652869?hash=item48946a8005:g:fAgAAOSwo4pYD5Ny&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-Diagnostic-System-Version-3-with-Cables-KDS-57001-1648-/311727652869?hash=item48946a8005:g:fAgAAOSwo4pYD5Ny&vxp=mtr)
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: maxtog on October 28, 2016, 03:03:19 PM
It ain't just leads and software.... its a system, with an interface module and stuff...
No cheap way out, sorry... gotta buy the whole ball of wax to get what you want.

Yep, this isn't like cars with an ODB2 connector.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELM327-V2-1-ODB2-ODB-II-Wireless-Bluetooth-Car-Auto-Diagnostic-Scan-Scanner-Tool-/122018289533?hash=item1c68db577d:g:z2cAAOSw3YNXaPqZ&item=122018289533&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELM327-V2-1-ODB2-ODB-II-Wireless-Bluetooth-Car-Auto-Diagnostic-Scan-Scanner-Tool-/122018289533?hash=item1c68db577d:g:z2cAAOSw3YNXaPqZ&item=122018289533&vxp=mtr)
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: VirginiaJim on October 28, 2016, 03:34:43 PM
I think that's actually coming down the pike at some point....ODB2 compliance.
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on October 28, 2016, 04:01:21 PM
Something similar or very much like this..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-Diagnostic-System-Version-3-with-Cables-KDS-57001-1648-/311727652869?hash=item48946a8005:g:fAgAAOSwo4pYD5Ny&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-Diagnostic-System-Version-3-with-Cables-KDS-57001-1648-/311727652869?hash=item48946a8005:g:fAgAAOSwo4pYD5Ny&vxp=mtr)

Yes, that's the system, but I would not pay that price for a used item, especially seeing the note written on the cd cover dating it to '09 and having no recourse if it doesn't work..
He's asking Kaw new price for used stuff.
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: BigAlan on October 28, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
Well thats scuppered my idea then, when i had my bike remapped rhe guy snapped a cable in and linked it to the computer system so here i am thinking i can get the same cable with the correct driver plus rhe KDS v3 software on my old laptop and away i go. Oh well never mind.
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: Daytona_Mike on October 28, 2016, 05:15:26 PM
Well thats scuppered my idea then, when i had my bike remapped rhe guy snapped a cable in and linked it to the computer system so here i am thinking i can get the same cable with the correct driver plus rhe KDS v3 software on my old laptop and away i go. Oh well never mind.
He snapped a cable in? I wonder what exactly it was he did (remap) because normally to remap anything on an ECU  it has to be removed or completely disconnected from the bike and then  has to be powered separately from the computer that is used to flash it.
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: maxtog on October 28, 2016, 08:07:35 PM
Well thats scuppered my idea then, when i had my bike remapped rhe guy snapped a cable in and linked it to the computer system so here i am thinking i can get the same cable with the correct driver plus rhe KDS v3 software on my old laptop and away i go. Oh well never mind.

That is essentially what the KDS is- it is software that runs on some MS-Windows machine and a box with cables that connect to the bike on one side and USB on the other.  But it is rather expensive.
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: Daytona_Mike on November 05, 2016, 10:55:01 PM
That is essentially what the KDS is- it is software that runs on some MS-Windows machine and a box with cables that connect to the bike on one side and USB on the other.  But it is rather expensive.
KDS has no access to any fuel maps and cannot flash or remap anything related to  fuel or timing or secondaries
You cannot remap with a KDS
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: maxtog on November 06, 2016, 05:27:34 AM
KDS has no access to any fuel maps and cannot flash or remap anything related to  fuel or timing or secondaries
You cannot remap with a KDS

Useful info, although I never said it could :)
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: Ron Dawg on November 06, 2016, 08:39:36 AM
I have no intention of hooking anything to the bike besides a battery tender and SISF did the flash, but out  of idle curiousity, where is the USB port located?
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: gPink on November 06, 2016, 10:31:43 AM
I have no intention of hooking anything to the bike besides a battery tender and SISF did the flash, but out  of idle curiousity, where is the USB port located?
...on the computer.
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: zarticus on November 06, 2016, 12:47:05 PM
Usb from computer to Kds box, Special cord from Kds box to connector on bike.  :chugbeer:
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: Bob Skinner on November 06, 2016, 04:24:10 PM
Can't wait for OBD2 to be required on motorcycles.
At least some of us could easily read error codes without jumping through hoops.

Bob Skinner
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: maxtog on November 06, 2016, 09:20:31 PM
Can't wait for OBD2 to be required on motorcycles.
At least some of us could easily read error codes without jumping through hoops.

We should be able to read codes by simply pressing a button and looking at the on-vehicle screen.  But, that would give us poor, stupid, consumers far too much power.
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 07, 2016, 05:00:17 AM
We can display a code by turning the key to the on position and then pressing the upper and lower buttons for more than 2 seconds.  That's on the gen 1's.  Not sure about the gen 2's.
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: Freddy on November 08, 2016, 05:02:38 PM
Error codes on a C14 - what are they?  Almost everybody who owns a Can-Am Spyder knows most of em off by heart.   :thumbdown
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: VirginiaJim on November 08, 2016, 05:51:53 PM
Page 3-40 thru 3-44 of the original service manual.  So it is written, so it shall be.  Though I do agree we don't see many of them.
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: maxtog on November 08, 2016, 11:32:16 PM
Error codes on a C14 - what are they?
"FI"

Quote
  Almost everybody who owns a Can-Am Spyder knows most of em off by heart.   :thumbdown

Touche!  :)
Title: Re: KDS software and usb lead
Post by: Freddy on November 09, 2016, 02:03:15 AM
.........and those that don't know em off by heart yet just look em up on their Spyder fault codes app.   :banghead: