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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Blown32 on November 03, 2015, 07:05:13 PM
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Well let me start out by saying I love this bike!
Just eclipsed 1000 miles on the way home tonight. Weather is taking a turn so I might not get any rides in for a bit.
Did I say I love this bike, well I do. I also have some observations and favorite mods (so far). I'll start with the few cons I have found, here goes.
CONS:
- The whole key fob thing an annoying, gimmicky, and useless thing on a motorcycle (I know, there likely folks on here that love it)
-- Have to carry a bulky fob instead of a nice small key
-- Have to use the key to get in the bag so not only do I have to carry the fob, I have to disassemble the key to open the fuel cap (already fixed that) or bags
-- Sometimes I have to push in the "key" a couple/three times to get it to work, yeah this will be a long term maintenance nightmare
-- Good example of "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should"
-- If there was a simple/easy way to remove it and install a standard key I'd be all over it
- Really don't like the linked brakes, I can live with them but would rather they not be there
-- Sure, folks who grew up on cruisers may tend to depend on the rear brake (excessively for a bike with this geometry) but I'm more of a sport/performance standard kind of guy and would prefer to do it myself
- Tire pressure monitors again, I can live with them but would rather they not be there
-- I'd much rather have a 90 degree (easy to access) standard valve stem
-- I get it, some folks tend to ignore regular maintenance/vehicle checks but I don't and would prefer less complexity
PROS and favorite mods:
- Great overall package that fits my needs/desires to a T, well almost thus all the mods ;D
- Power is very good, looking forward to exhaust system/PC V/Auto Tune install and doing a fly-ectomy as more power is better
- MPG is ok, could always be better but I'll take HP over MPG just about any day
- Smooth shifting and pretty darn good gearing (good thing as shaft drive makes changing that a challenge)
- Sure don't miss messy chain lube (though other bikes are chain so I'll appreciate it every time I lube and/or adjust the chains)
- Factory seat is pretty darn good but the modular Corbin is great (wife likes it better as well)
- Favorite mod to date is the Corbin smuggler mainly because I can leave it unlocked if I want to and not have to dig the darn key out of the fob to access storage (did I say I don't like the fob?)
- 1/4 turn fuel cap is great, mainly because I don't have to dig the darn key out of the fob to open it (did I say I don't like the fob?)
- 2" risers are good, looking forward to trying the wedges
- Lowered rider and passenger pegs are a nice change
- Really like my short (2 finger) brake lever/mid length clutch lever
And finally, under the category of why in the heck didn't the bike come with this:
- Automotive like cruse control
-- The dollars (yen?) they spent on the stupid key fob deal (did I say I don't like the fob?) could have been applied to something useful
-- Mama Kawasaki already has it (Voyager 1700 has it and it works great)
So, first 1000 miles have been great. I've been through a bunch of bikes over the years and most don't hang around long but I believe this one has already earned a long term parking space, likely between ZRX1200r bookends.
P.S. Did I remember to say anything about how I don't like the KIPASS or maybe that it should have cruise control?
In all seriousness, those two items almost drove me to a FJR but big green has a strong hold on me. First 1000 miles confirms I made the correct choice.
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Glad you like it!
As you will discover from the forum, the Kipass system really isn't as bad as it seems if you use a different approach (and don't fight it). For example, put the active fob in your zippered jacket pocket and forget about it... have a regular key made for the bags (or if you don't care about them being locked, put in keyknobs and that problem is solved). Oh, and you don't have to disassemble the fob to use a key for the bags anyway, you can use the stovekey knob if you really want (although I don't recommend that). For the most part linked brakes are no big whoop, just put it on low linking mode and it will remember that and you can mostly just not worry about it. You can put a 90 degree adapter on the stems. And the TPS can come in handy, even though they will need replacement eventually. Cruise you can add if you really want it.
Compared to the FJR- on the C14 you can add cruise and adapt to Kipass (and eventually maybe even like it). But on the FJR, you won't have a three year warranty and can't add up to 6 more, can't add the power, and can't add a 6th gear :) You did make the correct choice! ;)
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Well let me start out by saying I love this bike!
Just eclipsed 1000 miles on the way home tonight. Weather is taking a turn so I might not get any rides in for a bit.
Did I say I love this bike, well I do. I also have some observations and favorite mods (so far). I'll start with the few cons I have found, here goes.
CONS:
- The whole key fob thing an annoying, gimmicky, and useless thing on a motorcycle (I know, there likely folks on here that love it)
-- Have to carry a bulky fob instead of a nice small key
So do you only carry one key for your vehicles? I have several 'sets' of keys for all my vehicles. I don't have just one. Every vehicle has a fob along with assorted keys for the house and other locks. I jingle when I walk. My dad jingled when he walked as well. If it were a traditional bike with a primitive key, I would still have at minimum several keys on a ring. I don't think I've ever carried just one key around in my entire lifetime. My Prius uses a similar fob to the bike in that I don't have to take it out of my pocket. Have to press a button to start it. While you may not like 'keyless' technology on the bike, it's become ubiquitous on vehicles. It's the wave of the future, like it or not. My fob is actually on a separate ring by itself, on a chain, attached to a belt loop. It ain't going nowhere. It never comes out of my pocket.
-- Have to use the key to get in the bag so not only do I have to carry the fob, I have to disassemble the key to open the fuel cap (already fixed that) or bags
Get a spare key made and carry it on a separate ring. My ring carries a key that opens the tank, unlocks the seat, and unlocks the cases. It also has keys to unlock the top case and the helmet holder on the license plate. It also carries the tool to open the rear drive and the oil filler. I very rarely use the key in the ignition as it's easily bent .
-- Sometimes I have to push in the "key" a couple/three times to get it to work, yeah this will be a long term maintenance nightmare
It hasn't been a maintenance nightmare for me or for others, otherwise we would have dumped the bike years ago. If you are having to push it in several times to get it to recognize the fob, take it into a dealer and get them to fix it. It ain't normal for that to happen. Hold their feet to the fire. You have a 2014 bike, it's under warranty. I am surprised, though, that it's happening to a 2014.
-- Good example of "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should"
I don't agree with that and I like the technology. It's what drew me to the bike in the first place. If you did the research, why did you buy the bike?
-- If there was a simple/easy way to remove it and install a standard key I'd be all over it
There isn't.
- Really don't like the linked brakes, I can live with them but would rather they not be there
-- Sure, folks who grew up on cruisers may tend to depend on the rear brake (excessively for a bike with this geometry) but I'm more of a sport/performance standard kind of guy and would prefer to do it myself
I can't find fault with that. Kawasaki came out in 2007 and said that they purposely did not link the brakes because of performance issues, yet in 2010 they came out with the very function they poo pooed in 2007. I don't understand that. There is a low and high level of linking. Have you tried the low level?
- Tire pressure monitors again, I can live with them but would rather they not be there
-- I'd much rather have a 90 degree (easy to access) standard valve stem
I've got 90 degree valve stems on mine but they changed the TPM sensors and the new ones don't have that ability. You may or may not have the new sensors. Again, this is what drew me to the bike. All vehicles are getting them now. I have had more trouble with the sensors on my daughters Nissans than I've had with the bike. At least with mine, I can change the batteries without going to the dealer. I also have the screen on tire pressure up all the time. I like them and would not get another vehicle that did not have some kind of TPMS.
-- I get it, some folks tend to ignore regular maintenance/vehicle checks but I don't and would prefer less complexity
I'm not sure I understand that statement. What do you consider complex about the maintenance on this bike?
I had issues with the ignition switch early on (2007) and made the decision to get Brian's KIPASS BYPASS. Haven't had to use it. Also carry a K-Hammer just in case. Haven't had to use that either. If the system was so bad, why did Kwackers continue to use it? Could be it's a plot to drive the rest of the world crazy. If so, it hasn't worked. The linked brakes have been modified, I think, on the 15 models. Someone should chime in about that hopefully.
I really like this low tech 2008 and will continue to ride it until I can't ride it anymore. It's my last bike. I don't want any other one. If fulfills all my needs and yes it has a few quirks and the riders are a bit loopy but what the heck... I'm sure other brands have different issues as well. At least I know about these.
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It may take a while for me to accept the borg assimilation of key fob ignitions. I've had a couple of rental cars that had fob systems and didn't care for that application either. Sure it may be "cool tech" but it's (at least to me) tech for the sake of tech and serves no useful purpose. It's one of the many, many overly complicated systems on new vehicles that I don't need or want. As a guy that likes to keep things long term and do maintenance/repairs most all such systems are post warranty/long term issues waiting to happen. Additionally they add needless cost, weight, and complication to our beloved toys.
Ok, rant over ;D
Even on it's low setting the linked braking is still intrusive. I'll get used to it, it's not such a bad thing other than the aforementioned needless cost, weight, and complication. I'm pretty sure it will feel a bit odd going from bike to bike (with & without) but again, not a big deal.
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There's a perfectly good and functional key in the ignition that opens everything.
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Well let me start out by saying I love this bike!
Just eclipsed 1000 miles on the way home tonight. Weather is taking a turn so I might not get any rides in for a bit.
Did I say I love this bike, well I do. I also have some observations and favorite mods (so far). I'll start with the few cons I have found, here goes.
CONS:
- The whole key fob thing an annoying, gimmicky, and useless thing on a motorcycle (I know, there likely folks on here that love it)
-- Have to carry a bulky fob instead of a nice small key
So do you only carry one key for your vehicles? I have several 'sets' of keys for all my vehicles. I don't have just one. Every vehicle has a fob along with assorted keys for the house and other locks. I jingle when I walk. My dad jingled when he walked as well. If it were a traditional bike with a primitive key, I would still have at minimum several keys on a ring. I don't think I've ever carried just one key around in my entire lifetime. My Prius uses a similar fob to the bike in that I don't have to take it out of my pocket. Have to press a button to start it. While you may not like 'keyless' technology on the bike, it's become ubiquitous on vehicles. It's the wave of the future, like it or not. My fob is actually on a separate ring by itself, on a chain, attached to a belt loop. It ain't going nowhere. It never comes out of my pocket.
Yep, one key per vehicle, way too many toys to carry them all together :o House and shop have cipher locks so no need to have a house key on each ring.
-- Have to use the key to get in the bag so not only do I have to carry the fob, I have to disassemble the key to open the fuel cap (already fixed that) or bags
Get a spare key made and carry it on a separate ring. My ring carries a key that opens the tank, unlocks the seat, and unlocks the cases. It also has keys to unlock the top case and the helmet holder on the license plate. It also carries the tool to open the rear drive and the oil filler. I very rarely use the key in the ignition as it's easily bent .
That's exactly my point, if I have to carry another key anyway why the fob? I know, everyone has their personal preference/tastes mine tend to the KISS principal.
-- Sometimes I have to push in the "key" a couple/three times to get it to work, yeah this will be a long term maintenance nightmare
It hasn't been a maintenance nightmare for me or for others, otherwise we would have dumped the bike years ago. If you are having to push it in several times to get it to recognize the fob, take it into a dealer and get them to fix it. It ain't normal for that to happen. Hold their feet to the fire. You have a 2014 bike, it's under warranty. I am surprised, though, that it's happening to a 2014.
Thanks, I'll have them check it out.
-- Good example of "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should"
I don't agree with that and I like the technology. It's what drew me to the bike in the first place. If you did the research, why did you buy the bike?
Yep, did my research, rode most of the options and like I said it mostly came down to the FJR and the C14. Overall I much prefer the C14, just like those two features of the FJR better but that didn't make it a better choice in my book
-- If there was a simple/easy way to remove it and install a standard key I'd be all over it
There isn't.
Bummer, figured as much
- Really don't like the linked brakes, I can live with them but would rather they not be there
-- Sure, folks who grew up on cruisers may tend to depend on the rear brake (excessively for a bike with this geometry) but I'm more of a sport/performance standard kind of guy and would prefer to do it myself
I can't find fault with that. Kawasaki came out in 2007 and said that they purposely did not link the brakes because of performance issues, yet in 2010 they came out with the very function they poo pooed in 2007. I don't understand that. There is a low and high level of linking. Have you tried the low level?
Yep, low level from mile zero, (did my research and even read the owners manual before traveling to pick up the bike). Minor thing, just would rather not have it but it's ok as is.
- Tire pressure monitors again, I can live with them but would rather they not be there
-- I'd much rather have a 90 degree (easy to access) standard valve stem
I've got 90 degree valve stems on mine but they changed the TPM sensors and the new ones don't have that ability. You may or may not have the new sensors. Again, this is what drew me to the bike. All vehicles are getting them now. I have had more trouble with the sensors on my daughters Nissans than I've had with the bike. At least with mine, I can change the batteries without going to the dealer. I also have the screen on tire pressure up all the time. I like them and would not get another vehicle that did not have some kind of TPMS.
-- I get it, some folks tend to ignore regular maintenance/vehicle checks but I don't and would prefer less complexity
I'm not sure I understand that statement. What do you consider complex about the maintenance on this bike?
So far maintenance has been simple and easy (we will see when I get the the valve check but that looks pretty straight forward as well) When I refer to complexity I'm talking about additional systems that I personally (I'm not drawn to tech) would rather not have on a vehicle, like you said it's the way of the future so I'll have to get used to it
I had issues with the ignition switch early on (2007) and made the decision to get Brian's KIPASS BYPASS. Haven't had to use it. Also carry a K-Hammer just in case. Haven't had to use that either. If the system was so bad, why did Kwackers continue to use it? Could be it's a plot to drive the rest of the world crazy. If so, it hasn't worked. The linked brakes have been modified, I think, on the 15 models. Someone should chime in about that hopefully.
I really like this low tech 2008 and will continue to ride it until I can't ride it anymore. It's my last bike. I don't want any other one. If fulfills all my needs and yes it has a few quirks and the riders are a bit loopy but what the heck... I'm sure other brands have different issues as well. At least I know about these.
Thanks for the tip on the bypass, sounds like good insurance!
Everyone, please don't take my KIPASS rant as if I'm peeing all over this great bike. I'm sure I'll come to accept it but, for my taste, I'd rather it be cruise control (have I mentioned that? ;D) Like I said I love it and am very glad it's in my lineup
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There's a perfectly good and functional key in the ignition that opens everything.
Don't tell him that. He'll believe you. Every time someone takes that key out it reverbs throughout the known and unknown universe and a star winks out.
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Don't tell him that. He'll believe you. Every time someone takes that key out it reverbs throughout the known and unknown universe and a star winks out.
Oops, hasn't he got his decoder ring and secret handshake yet?
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There's a perfectly good and functional key in the ignition that opens everything.
Ok, I get it you guys love the KIPASS system, so last rant and I'll shut up and color ;D
Yep, there is a key in the ignition but you still have to have the fob to access it so it seams to me (again apparently just to me) that a standard key ignition would be simpler and just as functional.
"Oops, hasn't he got his decoder ring and secret handshake yet?"
Wait, now I want a decoder ring! At least the handshake is analog, wait a darn second, as this is an on-line forum it must be digital. Outstanding, more tech for me ;D
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As far as I know from anecdotal evidence, the more complex systems such as computers, ABS, and Traction control, have not been troublesome. There is no maintenance to them and they don't affect normal maintenance. TPMS has caused some issues with tire installers breaking the sensors or the batteries going dead in the original ones. The problem with low batteries causes the screen to scream at you that the sensor batteries are low (you see this more in cold weather). This is easily fixed by replacing the batteries yourself or if under warranty getting Kwackers to replace them. Unfortunately with that remedy you get the new ones and they don't have an easy method yet to change the batteries out.
One of my big hang ups with the bike is the screen takeover of the warning messages. I didn't like it in 2007 and I still don't like it now. The screen can be cleared but it's a PITA. I have Brian's low fuel remedy for the low fuel warning so that's gone. I wish they would just set a warning light instead of taking over the screen.
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As far as I know from anecdotal evidence, the more complex systems such as computers, ABS, and Traction control, have not been troublesome. There is no maintenance to them and they don't affect normal maintenance. TPMS has caused some issues with tire installers breaking the sensors or the batteries going dead in the original ones. The problem with low batteries causes the screen to scream at you that the sensor batteries are low (you see this more in cold weather). This is easily fixed by replacing the batteries yourself or if under warranty getting Kwackers to replace them. Unfortunately with that remedy you get the new ones and they don't have an easy method yet to change the batteries out.
One of my big hang ups with the bike is the screen takeover of the warning messages. I didn't like it in 2007 and I still don't like it now. The screen can be cleared but it's a PITA. I have Brian's low fuel remedy for the low fuel warning so that's gone. I wish they would just set a warning light instead of taking over the screen.
Agreed, generally trouble free for quite some time.
My ZX14 has the same screen "feature" (warning taking over the screen). Didn't care for it on the ZX either.
Over all minor peeves to a great bike. Of course we all (ok, most of us) modify the things we can to suite our preferences. Got to love the strong aftermarket following this bike has, gives us lots of options!
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I have a neutral stance on the kipass system as it has neither caused any problems nor generated any feelings of euphoria. I leave the fob in the tank bag unless I'm in a questionable area and use the ignition key as normal non-paranoid persons do.
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There's something wrong in being paranoid?
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Wholly Cloning Batman! We used to have a different 'you' on this forum and as I remember, he slightly disliked KiPass as well.... he also mentioned it once in a while. It is now nearly 10 years later though and I do not think you will have the same impact or 'animated responders' as the other gentleman. No matter, welcome to the forum and keep up the good work with the hating! ;) ;D
Brian
Well let me start out by saying I love this bike!
Just eclipsed 1000 miles on the way home tonight. Weather is taking a turn so I might not get any rides in for a bit.
Did I say I love this bike, well I do. I also have some observations and favorite mods (so far). I'll start with the few cons I have found, here goes.
CONS:
- The whole key fob thing an annoying, gimmicky, and useless thing on a motorcycle (I know, there likely folks on here that love it)
-- Have to carry a bulky fob instead of a nice small key
-- Have to use the key to get in the bag so not only do I have to carry the fob, I have to disassemble the key to open the fuel cap (already fixed that) or bags
-- Sometimes I have to push in the "key" a couple/three times to get it to work, yeah this will be a long term maintenance nightmare
-- Good example of "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should"
-- If there was a simple/easy way to remove it and install a standard key I'd be all over it
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Ok, I get it you guys love the KIPASS system, so last rant and I'll shut up and color ;D
Yep, there is a key in the ignition but you still have to have the fob to access it so it seams to me (again apparently just to me) that a standard key ignition would be simpler and just as functional.
Don't worry, there are others who feel as you do. I prefer a key as well, but it starts my bike and I can ride it. If you don't get into the bags often, it isn't a big deal. I prefer simplicity though and KIPASS is a solution to a problem that didn't exist. It does work though, and I have had no issues with mine, a 2009.
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Ok, I get it you guys love the KIPASS system, so last rant and I'll shut up and color ;D
Yep, there is a key in the ignition but you still have to have the fob to access it so it seams to me (again apparently just to me) that a standard key ignition would be simpler and just as functional.
Not just you, I would prefer just a key also, but I love the bike regardless.
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The mad pow-ah of KiPass is the only reason my bike has >109,000 miles on it and never evah left me walkin'. I never bought into the radiator protection, "pinning" bags, expensive oils, and a host of other measures suggested to me for this bike. I always had the faith in the "KiPass".
For those not in the know, all the mad pow-ah resides in the FOB (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bikepeace.gif)
At 200,000 miles when I'm parting my C14 bike out on the fleabay, I'll be smiling at those who knocked the KiPass (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/icon10.gif)
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:rotflmao:
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Disclaimer: Steve always keeps a fresh battery in his FOB ;)
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Even on it's low setting the linked braking is still intrusive. I'll get used to it, it's not such a bad thing other than the aforementioned needless cost, weight, and complication. I'm pretty sure it will feel a bit odd going from bike to bike (with & without) but again, not a big deal.
Actually, for link brakes, I believe there is no additional cost and minimum complication. It is something they built right into the ABS system. I just don't understand why Kawasaki didn't make it high/low/off. Now Kipass- that did add cost for sure.
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Ok, I get it you guys love the KIPASS system, so last rant and I'll shut up and color ;D
I wouldn't say we all love it. I am fairly indifferent to it, myself. It has advantages and disadvantages. It is more secure, in some ways it is more convenient, but it is also more complex and has a few design flaws. So to me, the good is a little more than the bad. So it isn't "great", but it isn't "horrible" either.
I bet you will find most people tend to be on the indifferent side....
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I was headed to Savannah from picking up a new-to-me '10 and going 70mph in the left lane of I-77 in Columbia, SC. At the start of the ride, the TPMS reported the pressures as 42/43 f/r.
So, there I was in the left lane. The TPMS alerted me to a low pressure (28psi). I stayed in the left lane for a few seconds to see if the tire was going down quickly.
28, 26, 24, 19...all in 30 seconds. Just as I got onto the shoulder and got the 4-ways on the pressure read 10psi and was down to 5psi as I coasted into a gas station at the (luckily) next exit.
At first warning (28psi), the bike was still riding normally. I think I would have not noticed that it was going down until it was in the low teens.
TPMS saved me from at least an emergency situation or, at most a likely crash.
YMMV.
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Yeah, see it is this kind of nonsense that keeps Kawasaki using KiPass.
I betcha' you think electronic ignition and fuel injection are good too, don't cha'? Well don't cha'? And you probably think they are here to stay rather than the flash in the pan that they really are..... why any minute now, we'll be back to the good ole' days of carburetors, wooden boxes with ignitions in them and both cars as motorcycles that start the way they should: by being cranked over manually! We don't need (and never did) no stinkin' electronical stuff!
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And, of course, ;) and ;D
Brian
I was headed to Savannah from picking up a new-to-me '10 and going 70mph in the left lane of I-77 in Columbia, SC. At the start of the ride, the TPMS reported the pressures as 42/43 f/r.
So, there I was in the left lane. The TPMS alerted me to a low pressure (28psi). I stayed in the left lane for a few seconds to see if the tire was going down quickly.
28, 26, 24, 19...all in 30 seconds. Just as I got onto the shoulder and got the 4-ways on the pressure read 10psi and was down to 5psi as I coasted into a gas station at the (luckily) next exit.
At first warning (28psi), the bike was still riding normally. I think I would have not noticed that it was going down until it was in the low teens.
TPMS saved me from at least an emergency situation or, at most a likely crash.
YMMV.
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True, KiPass' wonderfulness just cannot be overstated. I even use it on other machines: here it is running a Honda snowblower (when used this way, it is called Ho Blo pass): (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/Ho-Blow-Pass.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/BDF08012008/media/Ho-Blow-Pass.jpg.html)
Now just look at this poor person who lost her fob.... (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/0621072emotional1.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/BDF08012008/media/0621072emotional1.jpg.html)
But I do understand, some people just prefer a simpler ride.... like this: (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/KiPassfreeride.gif) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/BDF08012008/media/KiPassfreeride.gif.html)
But whatever you like, cheers: (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/FOBinwater.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/BDF08012008/media/FOBinwater.jpg.html)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/BDF08012008/FOBworkinginSprite.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/BDF08012008/media/FOBworkinginSprite.jpg.html)
Brian
The mad pow-ah of KiPass is the only reason my bike has >109,000 miles on it and never evah left me walkin'. I never bought into the radiator protection, "pinning" bags, expensive oils, and a host of other measures suggested to me for this bike. I always had the faith in the "KiPass".
For those not in the know, all the mad pow-ah resides in the FOB (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bikepeace.gif)
At 200,000 miles when I'm parting my C14 bike out on the fleabay, I'll be smiling at those who knocked the KiPass (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/icon10.gif)
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I betcha' you think electronic ignition and fuel injection are good too, don't cha'? Well don't cha'? And you probably think they are here to stay rather than the flash in the pan that they really are..... why any minute now, we'll be back to the good ole' days of carburetors, wooden boxes with ignitions in them and both cars as motorcycles that start the way they should: by being cranked over manually! We don't need (and never did) no stinkin' electronical stuff!
Yah, I don't want none of that fancy 'lectronic stuff, give me a kick starter, a manual choke, an ignition spark advance lever, and a side operated shifter on an air cooled, rod bearing, solid steel hunk of an engine. Who needs riding??? It is more fun just trying to get it started, keep it running, and fighting it and the noise and vibration!! And don't dare add a kickstand, I like just laying it over when I am done :)
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Well, I'm gonna say that I like KIPASS...even with it's warts.
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When I was a kid, an uncle (actually my mother's uncle) used to put together old Fords for chuckles, back before they were worth much. Mostly Model T's but also the occasional Model A. So while those vehicles were long gone in my lifetime, I actually got to know them a bit, work on them, start them and learn about them (drove a couple of 'T's too- not very pleasant IMO, marginally better than a lawn tractor but not by much, and not as durable). It was fascinating frolicking with wooden spark boxes (the thing that far exceeded the 'old' distributor and coil mechanism), flat belt drives, generator / starters (on 1919 and later models- the "modern" Model T's !) planetary transmissions with band clutches (a Model T has no clutch that the operator uses per se), and manual spark advance. All fascinating, all terrible and all horribly unreliable. I am glad I had the exposure (Easy Boys!) but really like the vehicles of 2015 and beyond, I hope.
Brian
Yah, I don't want none of that fancy 'lectronic stuff, give me a kick starter, a manual choke, an ignition spark advance lever, and a side operated shifter on an air cooled, rod bearing, solid steel hunk of an engine. Who needs riding??? It is more fun just trying to get it started, keep it running, and fighting it and the noise and vibration!! And don't dare add a kickstand, I like just laying it over when I am done :)
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I was a slow convert to KiPass...but now I like it just fine. Much better in fact than the fob systems on my Corvette or the wife's Focus. But it took me some time, and it took some customizing. First, I fixed my glove box so that I could open it anytime I wanted, fob or no fob, engine running or not running. Next, I cut off a spare key from the locksmith, JB Welded it into a radio knob for use on the side cases, seat, and gas hole. Then I put the fob into the glove box, where it will reside until the end of time...or at least until it needs a new battery. In the very rare times I might need security, I can either remove the fob and carry it with me, or I can remove the stove knob ignition key and carry it with me. But based on where and how I ride and park my bike, leaving the fob in the glove box is no risk at all. (Some have speculated that, outside of actual C-14 owners, very, very few people would ever be able to figure out how to start the bike in any event.)
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I was headed to Savannah from picking up a new-to-me '10 and going 70mph in the left lane of I-77 in Columbia, SC. At the start of the ride, the TPMS reported the pressures as 42/43 f/r.
So, there I was in the left lane. The TPMS alerted me to a low pressure (28psi). I stayed in the left lane for a few seconds to see if the tire was going down quickly.
28, 26, 24, 19...all in 30 seconds. Just as I got onto the shoulder and got the 4-ways on the pressure read 10psi and was down to 5psi as I coasted into a gas station at the (luckily) next exit.
At first warning (28psi), the bike was still riding normally. I think I would have not noticed that it was going down until it was in the low teens.
TPMS saved me from at least an emergency situation or, at most a likely crash.
YMMV.
Ok, you just sold me on the tire pressure sensors. I now place them in the PROs section!
Seriously, that is a great example of how they can be useful and potentially prevent serious issues.
Thanks
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I was a slow convert to KiPass...but now I like it just fine. Much better in fact than the fob systems on my Corvette or the wife's Focus. But it took me some time, and it took some customizing. First, I fixed my glove box so that I could open it anytime I wanted, fob or no fob, engine running or not running. Next, I cut off a spare key from the locksmith, JB Welded it into a radio knob for use on the side cases, seat, and gas hole. Then I put the fob into the glove box, where it will reside until the end of time...or at least until it needs a new battery. In the very rare times I might need security, I can either remove the fob and carry it with me, or I can remove the stove knob ignition key and carry it with me. But based on where and how I ride and park my bike, leaving the fob in the glove box is no risk at all. (Some have speculated that, outside of actual C-14 owners, very, very few people would ever be able to figure out how to start the bike in any event.)
Thanks, I like your mod ideas and will likely give it a try.
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A McCruise is my favorite farkle and works as good or better then my SUV.
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Ok, you just sold me on the tire pressure sensors. I now place them in the PROs section!
Seriously, that is a great example of how they can be useful and potentially prevent serious issues.
Another is just simply being able to check your tire pressures easily every start of every ride. It is quite convenient and the best way to ensure maximum tire life and safety on a heavy bike. Right after I start the bike it goes straight to pressures until I get a reading, then I change it to outside temp.
It is nice knowing the computer is watching the pressures and ready to alert anytime one goes too low. We have had several story postings similar to dolomoto's
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A McCruise is my favorite farkle and works as good or better then my SUV.
Lots of good reviews of them, likely be in next year's round of mods.
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Yeah, see it is this kind of nonsense that keeps Kawasaki using KiPass.
I betcha' you think electronic ignition and fuel injection are good too, don't cha'? Well don't cha'? And you probably think they are here to stay rather than the flash in the pan that they really are..... why any minute now, we'll be back to the good ole' days of carburetors, wooden boxes with ignitions in them and both cars as motorcycles that start the way they should: by being cranked over manually! We don't need (and never did) no stinkin' electronical stuff!
::)
And, of course, ;) and ;D
Brian
Yup, I will never buy another street bike without EFI and ABS. I loved some of my older bikes but I ain't going back to 'the good ole` days'.
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I rather like the FOB because I don't like taking off my gloves and hunting for a key with my riding gear on. But Kawasaki was too cleaver with their Kipass design thus adding some risk for getting the rider stranded.
Harley's security system is very simple, if you have the FOB, the starter will engage, otherwise it won't. Isn't that all we really want.
Some folks complement Yamaha for leaving the old school key system in the FJR, but a common FJR complaint is the keys are too soft and "often" break. FJR owners learn to carry a spare.
Beary
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Good post.
I think what we really have to be careful not to do is to combine various faults and attribute them to the wrong source. The only two problems with KiPass that I am aware of are not really with KiPass at all but rather other, support parts of the system. It would be the same thing as having a fuse pop and then claiming the damn headlights on a car never were a good idea and why did we ever leave kerosene lamps in the first place, etc., etc..
The first is the infamous activation switch. That is the switch the rider activates when the key is pressed down, which in turn powers up the KiPass system so that it 'looks' for a valid fob. The switch sticks down or 'ON' and causes a system failure but really, that switch is not part of KiPass anymore than the wires that KiPass uses or the fuses that power it. Unfortunately it is this very failure that has and continues to strand people but it is not because of the electronic proximity system itself (KiPass) but rather the switch that Kawasaki put in their ignition switch housing that is causing the failure.
The second failure is the Mobil fuel pump fob system interfering with the radio signal of the KiPass fob system. Now here we really have nothing more than two radios trying to use the same channel at the same time to transmit and that just ain't gonna' work. The 'fix' for this situation is nothing more than rolling the bike a couple feet away from the fuel pump, or using the passive, RFID portion of KiPass. Again, I think it is important to remember that it is not KiPass that has failed, it is the radio link of KiPass and this is a critical difference.
As far as other proximity, or true key-less systems (which KiPass is not), they all work in a similar enough manner that no manufacturer or brand has any particular advantage that I am aware of. Further, the KiPass system is actually produced by Mitsubishi, which produces the majority of these systems for the Japanese auto manufacturers and we rarely hear any complaints about, say, Lexus in this regard.
Yamaha's FJR actually does have a proximity activation system.... they just do not sell it in the US, only the rest of the world. Apparently, we are perceived as Luddites and so Yamaha (and other manufacturers) withhold the technology so as not to make us too grumpy and whiny.... at least not anymore than we already are. [funny but true]
Brian
I rather like the FOB because I don't like taking off my gloves and hunting for a key with my riding gear on. But Kawasaki was too cleaver with their Kipass design thus adding some risk for getting the rider stranded.
Harley's security system is very simple, if you have the FOB, the starter will engage, otherwise it won't. Isn't that all we really want.
Some folks complement Yamaha for leaving the old school key system in the FJR, but a common FJR complaint is the keys are too soft and "often" break. FJR owners learn to carry a spare.
Beary
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Ok, you just sold me on the tire pressure sensors. I now place them in the PROs section!
Seriously, that is a great example of how they can be useful and potentially prevent serious issues.
Thanks
Don't forget kids, this can happen too. And the sensors give no warning before the tire explodes. It even popped the beads.
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp236/Jimmymac25/two13021_zpse1979a9d.jpg) (http://s415.photobucket.com/user/Jimmymac25/media/two13021_zpse1979a9d.jpg.html)
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So what I understand your are saying Brian is that the Kipasss only controls the key relay, not the starter at all. So by disabling the relay, the Kipass has no function at all and will not prevent starting the bike. Interesting.
I think a security system with a FOB that disables only the starter switch can be purchased for less than $30. Hmm, thinking, thinking....
Beary
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So what I understand your are saying Brian is that the Kipasss only controls the key relay, not the starter at all. So by disabling the relay, the Kipass has no function at all and will not prevent starting the bike. Interesting.
I think a security system with a FOB that disables only the starter switch can be purchased for less than $30. Hmm, thinking, thinking....
Beary
Nope. The ECU will not work without first being activated by KIPASS. The bike won't start and it won't run. Even if you defeated the mechanical solenoid that keeps the stove knob from turning to "on", the bike would not start or run. Even if you then tried to bump start it would not start or run.
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Nope. The ECU will not work without first being activated by KIPASS. The bike won't start and it won't run. Even if you defeated the mechanical solenoid that keeps the stove knob from turning to "on", the bike would not start or run. Even if you then tried to bump start it would not start or run.
So, if I disable the solenoid to where the knob can turn without the fob, then it would work like a Harley? What is the downside of that?
Beary
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So, if I disable the solenoid to where the knob can turn without the fob, then it would work like a Harley? What is the downside of that?
No, you can't. The ECU will not start without the electronic FOB (passive or active). Doesn't matter what you do do the ignition, this is deep security in the computer itself. Which is part of the whole point, it is anti-theft.
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So, if I disable the solenoid to where the knob can turn without the fob, then it would work like a Harley? What is the downside of that?
Beary
Do you realize what you just said? :yikes: :yikes: and :yikes: and :censored: !
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The mad pow-ah of KiPass is the only reason my bike has >109,000 miles on it and never evah left me walkin'. I never bought into the radiator protection, "pinning" bags, expensive oils, and a host of other measures suggested to me for this bike. I always had the faith in the "KiPass".
For those not in the know, all the mad pow-ah resides in the FOB (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bikepeace.gif)
At 200,000 miles when I'm parting my C14 bike out on the fleabay, I'll be smiling at those who knocked the KiPass (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/icon10.gif)
what took you so long? ;D
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Martin, I had the same thoughts.. :rotflmao:
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So, if I disable the solenoid to where the knob can turn without the fob, then it would work like a Harley? What is the downside of that?
Beary
You would still have to trigger the activation by pushing down the stove knob, kind of an electronic hand shake I believe. (Brian, correct me if I'm wrong)
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From what I can make out in my manual...
- Push the switch down
- KIPASS ECU talks to switch
- KIPASS ECU talks to FOB
- KIPASS FOB talks back to KIPASS ECU
- KIPASS ECU talks to switch
- Switch talks to KIPASS ECU
- Bike turns on
- KIPASS ECU talks to DFI ECU
- DFI ECU talks back to KIPASS ECU
- Smiles all 'round
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From what I can make out in my manual...
- Push the switch down
- KIPASS ECU talks to switch
- KIPASS ECU talks to FOB
- KIPASS FOB talks back to KIPASS ECU
- KIPASS ECU talks to switch
- Switch talks to KIPASS ECU
- Bike turns on
- KIPASS ECU talks to DFI ECU
- DFI ECU talks back to KIPASS ECU
- Smiles all 'round
Before kipass
1. turn key on
2. push start button
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No, basically the other way around; the main ecu will not allow the bike to crank nor will it provide any spark for ignition until KiPass authenticates that it has senses a valid fob. KiPass is built into the ECU of the bike and cannot be removed or worked- around in any practical amount of time or for any practical cost.
That said, to the best of my knowledge, KiPass has not failed yet on any of these bikes in almost 10 years. Further the Mitsubishi 'MISTY' system that is what KiPass is using is used in literally millions of cars too. My own opinion is that people react to this emotionally and become hell- bent on fixing a system that is not broken or even a little 'less than the best', not to mention starting all kinds of ridiculous 'old wive's tales' such as 'never remove the main key or the sky will remain dark for 30 days' or something similarly silly (but mildly amusing). KiPass is an asset, not a liability IMO. If one wants to eliminate the whole process of carrying around the fob, and is willing to let the anti- theft property of KiPass go with it, then take the RFID block out of any fob and glue it to the front of the ignition switch housing. You will never have to carry / put a battery in/ worry about losing the fob again. And by a KiPass activation switch bypass and you will have eliminated the 'look and feel' of KiPass and can treat it like any other bike- just remove the key when you leave the bike.
The only practical way I know of to eliminate KiPass from a C-14 would be to get an ECU from a ZX 14, do whatever changes were required to install it in the C-14, then re- code the new ECU to operate the C-14 correctly (ignition timing curves, fuel delivery would be the main changes but also the secondary throttle plates if those were kept). And finally of course, all functions of a C-14 that are not shared with a ZX 14 would be lost such as traction control.
Brian
So what I understand your are saying Brian is that the Kipasss only controls the key relay, not the starter at all. So by disabling the relay, the Kipass has no function at all and will not prevent starting the bike. Interesting.
I think a security system with a FOB that disables only the starter switch can be purchased for less than $30. Hmm, thinking, thinking....
Beary
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Before kipass
1. turn key on
2. push start button
Luddite.. (word of the day)
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I am not even sure that is an American English word, in the same way 'whilst' is not an American English word.
At any rate, the origin of the word, according to legend, was a man named Ned Ludd, who smashed textile machines. That evolved into the urban legend of a General Ludd or King Ludd, who lived in Sherwood Forrest and appear when needed to smash down the new, horrible technology. Further legend has it that there was a strain of mental illness in the Ludd family that has been passed down to all the male offspring. The most recent case, again according to legend, is one 'Captain Robert 'Bob' Ludd, a living descendant of General Ludd, who uses the internet to further his cause and spew his maniacal, hate- filled venom against all things technological but especially, any technology added to any device(s) that did not previously use that technology. The legend has this mythical, current Ludd living in Derwood Forrest somewhere in America; no one knows exactly where but all fear coming w/in hearing or even reading distance of one of his tirades.
The End
Brian ;D
Luddite.. (word of the day)
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...Nope...Even if you then tried to bump start it would not start or run.
So, if I disable the solenoid to where the knob can turn without the fob, then it would work like a Harley? What is the downside of that?
Beary
:rotflmao:
That's right, just like a Harley it will not start or run. Actually better than a Harley as it will not cause hearing loss either.
(just kidding, HD fans)
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I am not even sure that is an American English word, in the same way 'whilst' is not an American English word.
Brian ;D
Makes no matter. Still the word of the day.
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not to mention starting all kinds of ridiculous 'old wive's tales' such as 'never remove the main key or the sky will remain dark for 30 days'
No that's crazy. The sky will not remain dark. But somewhere an orphan will cry. You don't want to be the cause of an orphan crying... do you?
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Stars can wink out as well..
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I have a neutral stance on the kipass system as it has neither caused any problems nor generated any feelings of euphoria. I leave the fob in the tank bag unless I'm in a questionable area and use the ignition key as normal non-paranoid persons do.
OK... but how do you lock the forks? Am I missing something, here?
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OK... but how do you lock the forks? Am I missing something, here?
What he is saying is that he is leaving the fob in the tank bag and removing the [stove knob] ignition key and carrying either that or the small fob key or a key copy with him. The bike is, indeed locked in such a case. And fairly securely, as long as he did not leave the small metal key in the active fob in the bag. Doing this makes the bike act more like a traditionally keyed motorcycle. EXCEPT for the steering lock, because you cannot remove the key in the steering-locked position.
[corrected]
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What he is saying is that he is leaving the fob in the tank bag and removing the [stove knob] ignition key and carrying either that or the small fob key or a key copy with him. The bike is, indeed locked in such a case. And fairly securely, as long as he did not leave the small metal key in the active fob in the bag. Doing this makes the bike act more like a traditionally keyed motorcycle.
The steering can be locked by turning the key to the lock position before removing the key.
I don't think the key will come out when turned to the lock position? I'll find out next spring :(
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I don't think the key will come out when turned to the lock position? I'll find out next spring :(
Oh, yes, you are correct. You cannot remove the key when it is in the steering-locked position. Not sure what got into me on that reply (which I have now corrected).
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Before kipass
1. turn key on
2. push start button
Noooooooo... what Jim said was
1. Push the switch down
10. Smiles all around
KIPASS takes care of two through nine
The rest of us enjoy the rhyme.
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Well let me start out by saying I love this bike!
Me, too!
Just eclipsed 1000 miles on the way home tonight. Weather is taking a turn so I might not get any rides in for a bit.
Put 1031 miles on Eli running to central Texas for some BBQ yesterday (500 miles each way). Ran the 130 toll road at sustained 85-90mph in moderate side winds. Hit 2001 total miles pulling in the driveway.
Did I say I love this bike, well I do. I also have some observations and favorite mods (so far). I'll start with the few cons I have found, here goes.
CONS:
- The whole key fob thing an annoying, gimmicky, and useless thing on a motorcycle (I know, there likely folks on here that love it)
-- Have to carry a bulky fob instead of a nice small key
-- Have to use the key to get in the bag so not only do I have to carry the fob, I have to disassemble the key to open the fuel cap (already fixed that) or bags
-- Sometimes I have to push in the "key" a couple/three times to get it to work, yeah this will be a long term maintenance nightmare
-- Good example of "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should"
-- If there was a simple/easy way to remove it and install a standard key I'd be all over it
I disagree with everything you said. I consider pros everything you consider a con. It's unique and cool. Small key easier to lose. Bike never needs a key. I can unlock bags with bike running. Let's just say that maybe there's a better way, but I like this way.
- Really don't like the linked brakes, I can live with them but would rather they not be there
-- Sure, folks who grew up on cruisers may tend to depend on the rear brake (excessively for a bike with this geometry) but I'm more of a sport/performance standard kind of guy and would prefer to do it myself
I'm a front brake person, too. I think my brakes are messed up. The lever pumps and fights me. The pistons grab and buck and hammer the bike. It's like overactive or defective ABS. It may need a full bleed. So right now, I don't know if I like the brakes, but I know I don't like what I have now.
- Tire pressure monitors again, I can live with them but would rather they not be there
-- I'd much rather have a 90 degree (easy to access) standard valve stem
-- I get it, some folks tend to ignore regular maintenance/vehicle checks but I don't and would prefer less complexity
TPMS is spot on with my manual check. I had a scare taking off in my run in 44F weather. Got rear TP battery screen takeover. Turned around, went home, checked manual, got mad, restarted bike, all good. So battery swap coming soon. I have a 90 degree gauge stem, standard stems are fine. I manual check regularly.
PROS and favorite mods:
- Great overall package that fits my needs/desires to a T, well almost thus all the mods ;D
- Power is very good, looking forward to exhaust system/PC V/Auto Tune install and doing a fly-ectomy as more power is better
I will do no engine/exhaust/tuning mods. Don't need it.
- MPG is ok, could always be better but I'll take HP over MPG just about any day
I get calculated 40mpg under all conditions when speeds are 70mph or less. When I ran mostly 75 and then hit the 85mph toll road, mileage was 36mpg. This is the ECO map! This is pretty lame compared to the ZR7 and Triumph Explorer, which both never got worse than 49mpg under all conditions. The big Tiger could get 53mpg on 87 octane ethanol free and almost outrun the Connie. And it had cruise. Those are the two things I miss about the Tiger. Connie mpg sucks, but its good enough.
- Smooth shifting and pretty darn good gearing (good thing as shaft drive makes changing that a challenge)
Great gearing. OD is nice (I run lotsa interstate). Shifting is so-so. Notchy and clunky. I'm running Mobil1 Racing 4T. Maybe it just needs more break-in.
- Sure don't miss messy chain lube (though other bikes are chain so I'll appreciate it every time I lube and/or adjust the chains)
- Factory seat is pretty darn good but the modular Corbin is great (wife likes it better as well)
I'm 100% solo. I like the standard seat so far. I added my Airhawk R and was able to ride 9 hours with 4 gas breaks totaling 35 minutes. And do it again the next day. I was squirming a bit near the end of day 2; a Baldwin GT rebuild would eliminate issues.
- Favorite mod to date is the Corbin smuggler mainly because I can leave it unlocked if I want to and not have to dig the darn key out of the fob to access storage (did I say I don't like the fob?)
I'm running a Cortech 12-18L magnetic tank bag.
- 1/4 turn fuel cap is great, mainly because I don't have to dig the darn key out of the fob to open it (did I say I don't like the fob?)
I want my gas cap to key lock. Like when traveling and leaving the bike out and about. Not worth the risk; miscreants everywhere. FOB is always handy, key right there.
- 2" risers are good, looking forward to trying the wedges
Yep, got the Heli risers. Good stuff.
- Lowered rider and passenger pegs are a nice change
I wouldn't want that. Even at 6'3", lower is not better. Its fine for short trips and standing up (like on an ADV bike), but not long distance. Using strong leg muscles to support is better for butt and back comfort. I will do the drill n tap mod then add highway pegs for the occasional stretch.
- Really like my short (2 finger) brake lever/mid length clutch lever
And finally, under the category of why in the heck didn't the bike come with this:
- Automotive like cruse control
-- The dollars (yen?) they spent on the stupid key fob deal (did I say I don't like the fob?) could have been applied to something useful
-- Mama Kawasaki already has it (Voyager 1700 has it and it works great)
Couldn't agree more. The big tourer system could easily be integrated.
So, first 1000 miles have been great. I've been through a bunch of bikes over the years and most don't hang around long but I believe this one has already earned a long term parking space, likely between ZRX1200r bookends.
P.S. Did I remember to say anything about how I don't like the KIPASS or maybe that it should have cruise control?
In all seriousness, those two items almost drove me to a FJR but big green has a strong hold on me. First 1000 miles confirms I made the correct choice.
Same here. Just couldn't do Yamaha even though I wanted cruise.
Now, I will say that the buzz and vibrations killed me on this trip. The first 1000 miles did not reveal them. It killed my bar mounted Garmin and my hands and feet are still numb 24 hours later. So I have to start working through all the vibration troubleshooting. Returned to stock, removed RAM mounts, and checked torques.
Is there a primary vibration culprit when it's hands AND feet?
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If one wants to eliminate the whole process of carrying around the fob, and is willing to let the anti- theft property of KiPass go with it, then take the RFID block out of any fob and glue it to the front of the ignition switch housing. You will never have to carry / put a battery in/ worry about losing the fob again. And by a KiPass activation switch bypass and you will have eliminated the 'look and feel' of KiPass and can treat it like any other bike- just remove the key when you leave the bike.
Brian, Brian, Brian,..have you no entrepreneurial compass? Another great potential product that could have been sold by www.incontrolne.com (http://www.incontrolne.com) to all those KIPASS haters. You could have bundled the instructions with the KIPASS Bypass for at least an extra $25, but oh noooooo, you just give it away for free!
Admit it Brian, you love these guys don't you?
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Well, truth be told, I am actually pretty ambivalent about the whole thing now- there just is not any fun left in it. Back in the early days, it was a riot but now it is just the occasional complaint and I have not been successful in whipping up any kind of ferver about it..... ah, the old days.
Onto new / old problems though: the Rostra CC. Several problems out there with those things lately and it has me again thinking of putting together something that would make it easier to install a CC. Not sure about what to put together (how complete a kit) and the price (gotta' say, low fuel warning eliminators and KiPass activation switch bypass manufacture follows the "hobby" business model but not quite as profitable- still, I do seem to have extremely happy customers so that is basically why I continue with those). One of the real problems with the whole Rostra thing is that there are so many choices in things like which switch to use- and some of them are really not only pretty lousy but difficult to work with on installation; a kit could at least control the components. Anyway, finger throbbing (Easy Boys!), mind wandering and OFFTOPIC.
Brian
KiPass Rocks!
Brian, Brian, Brian,..have you no entrepreneurial compass? Another great potential product that could have been sold by www.incontrolne.com (http://www.incontrolne.com) to all those KIPASS haters. You could have bundled the instructions with the KIPASS Bypass for at least an extra $25, but oh noooooo, you just give it away for free!
Admit it Brian, you love these guys don't you?
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I had an extra key cut at Ace Hardware for $2.40 and put it on a nylon tie that I put on a hanger between the tank and the steering head....just kind of hangs down there but is easy to reach and nearly invisible unless you know it is there. I keep my fob in my pocket and use the "hidden hanging key" to open my bags and gas cap and can reach it as quickly as if I had it in my pocket. My passive fob key is kept in my tool kit under my seat so I always have a way to start the bike and can use the hidden key to get the seat off if for some reason I lost my fob or it quit working. In the mean time my fob has always worked properly and I have spare keys at home just in case something strange happens. I know some put spares in the glove box but that won't open if the fob quits working so I avoid that. I know this seems like a lot of screwing around compared to having a key in your pocket and one in your wallet but once set up it seems bulletproof and it works for me.
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Don't worry, there are others who feel as you do. I prefer a key as well, but it starts my bike and I can ride it. If you don't get into the bags often, it isn't a big deal. I prefer simplicity though and KIPASS is a solution to a problem that didn't exist. It does work though, and I have had no issues with mine, a 2009.
I also agree. The only positive might be if you live in a high crime area where it might make it less likely to be stolen. If the FOB allowed the bike to start without touching the key I might, kinda, like it, but it doesn't. You still have to not only push, but also turn the stupid key. Like you've said; "why"? Stupidity... If Kipass was so good why isn't is on all the other bikes that Kawasaki sells, and why don't all the other brands copy it? I tolerate it because the rest of the bike is so good. If I'd not been a COG member for over 25 years I probably would have bought an FJ that had a bigger gas tank and no Kipass.
I went to a lock smith and had two keys made from the key fob key and leave these in the bag locks. Some time I'll post picks showing how I ground off most of the keys and epoxied them into the fork air caps off of an 86 C10. Makes a nice low profile key arrangement on the bags.
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I am with you! And while we are at it, how about dat dere no good electronic ignition and fuel injection! If it was so good, why was it NOT on the Model T, the second most produced car ever made? This new fangle electronical stuff is just a fad I tells ya'.... why before too long, these young, foolish, useless engineering types are going to wake up and go back to good old days of living in caves and hunting for supper with a sharp stick!
<he says as he strokes his long, white beard, sitting on the porch>
chuckle
Brian
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Like you've said; "why"? Stupidity... If Kipass was so good why isn't is on all the other bikes that Kawasaki sells, and why don't all the other brands copy it? I tolerate it because the rest of the bike is so good. If I'd not been a COG member for over 25 years I probably would have bought an FJ that had a bigger gas tank and no Kipass.
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I am with you! And while we are at it, how about dat dere no good electronic ignition and fuel injection! If it was so good, why was it NOT on the Model T, the second most produced car ever made? This new fangle electronical stuff is just a fad I tells ya'.... why before too long, these young, foolish, useless engineering types are going to wake up and go back to good old days of living in caves and hunting for supper with a sharp stick!
<he says as he strokes his long, white beard, sitting on the porch>
chuckle
Brian
Hi Brian, I wondered if you could resist... :-)
I'm just talking about Kipass, nothing else. Sometimes more technology is not always good.
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Nah, I am always up for a good KiPass hating thread. :-) Although lately the level of play has fallen way, way off.
In the big picture, more technology is always good. By that I mean overall goodness, not any specific thing or instance. As an example, I have walked the planet for over 5 decades and of those I remember, each successive one has been [overall better] than the last. You and I would not be having this conversation as little as 20 years ago simply because the technology was not available and yet it is here now and we both seem to be making use of it.
In all seriousness, I think KiPass is overall a good thing and works as advertised. Not really sure why so many people hate it but then again, I am not sure why so many people insist on resisting simply using it the way it was intended either. ?? At any rate, there will be more of this type technology to come and somewhere down the road (no pun intended), your children will be talking to my children and one of them will be whining about the new, self- inflating tires and how they were never needed before, the olden days were better, etc., etc. I am simply hoping it is one of my children who is on the positive side of the argument (self- inflating tires are a GOOD thing.... overall).
All with respect and good humor as always. :-)
Brian
Hi Brian, I wondered if you could resist... :-)
I'm just talking about Kipass, nothing else. Sometimes more technology is not always good.
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If it weren't for advancing technology, we wouldn't have yoga pants.
I rest my case.
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Hey, key word was 'overall'.
Again, by way of example, I give you this list as to the benifits of living in 2015....
"2008 C14, Muzzy exhaust, PCV, heated grips, Sergeant seat, PR4 GTs, Donovan headlight mod, Ronnies highway pegs, Cox rad guard, "The Big Rack", Grip Puppies, XM, many more made by me parts to come....."
:rotflmao:
Brian
If it weren't for advancing technology, we wouldn't have yoga pants.
I rest my case.
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Hey, key word was 'overall'.
:rotflmao:
Brian
My point exactly. Overall, yoga pants are good.
I'm just sayin'...