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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: leisyman on May 16, 2015, 01:17:44 PM

Title: 2008 C14 ignition issue?
Post by: leisyman on May 16, 2015, 01:17:44 PM
When I turn off the ignition, either OFF or FSS, sometimes it flashes all the lights four times before shutting off. i am used to it flashing only once before shutting off. i just purchased and installed a new battery, (stock one lasted almost 7 years), thinking it was a battery issue; however, it still does the same thing: flashes lights and can hear several relays clicking four times before shutting off.
No error codes.

Do I have a problem? it is definitely different that it has been before. I installed an electronic flasher relay to return flash rate to stock. converted 3 wire to two wire relay and left the ground unhooked. could that have anything to do with the issue?
I recently added additional LED turn signal strips to the front signals, mounted on the bottom edge of the mirrors. But it started the 'four flash thing' before i installed any of the additional parts.

30k miles
Thanks
Ron
Title: Re: 2008 C14 ignition issue?
Post by: VirginiaJim on May 16, 2015, 05:19:42 PM
I'd take everything off and hope you can get it back to stock and see if that helps.
Title: Re: 2008 C14 ignition issue?
Post by: leisyman on May 16, 2015, 05:26:37 PM
I began to experience the four flashes before I installed any parts, but it is certainly worth a try.
Was wondering if the flashes are some kind of error code.

Title: Re: 2008 C14 ignition issue?
Post by: B.D.F. on May 16, 2015, 07:07:46 PM
Interesting situation.

As far as I know, multiple flashes do not occur on a stock C-14. The only thing that causes that that I am aware of is an alarm system, and that must be manually wired into the turn signal lights for that to even work. The bike does not flash error codes through any external (non- dash) part of the bike, again to the best of my knowledge.

Given that the bike has a new battery and assuming the cables are tight (from the new battery), nothing comes to mind to check other than what Jim said- remove farkles and try to find the cause that way.

Best of luck and please do report back if / when you find the source of the problem.

Brian

When I turn off the ignition, either OFF or FSS, sometimes it flashes all the lights four times before shutting off. i am used to it flashing only once before shutting off. i just purchased and installed a new battery, (stock one lasted almost 7 years), thinking it was a battery issue; however, it still does the same thing: flashes lights and can hear several relays clicking four times before shutting off.
No error codes.

Do I have a problem? it is definitely different that it has been before. I installed an electronic flasher relay to return flash rate to stock. converted 3 wire to two wire relay and left the ground unhooked. could that have anything to do with the issue?
I recently added additional LED turn signal strips to the front signals, mounted on the bottom edge of the mirrors. But it started the 'four flash thing' before i installed any of the additional parts.

30k miles
Thanks
Ron
Title: Re: 2008 C14 ignition issue?
Post by: Dade22 on May 17, 2015, 01:21:59 PM
If you changed to a solid state flasher unit and are running led turns this will happen.  It's back feeding into the system.  Make sure all turn signals are off before turning off the bike.  Make a real interesting time when its in gear and does that flash thing.  It's like riding a broncho.  A fix would be to put a diode inline with the flasher.  Keep it from back feeding.
Title: Re: 2008 C14 ignition issue?
Post by: leisyman on May 17, 2015, 06:44:00 PM
Thanks Dade22. Makes good sense.  That is what i needed to hear. Found out today that if i have the emergency flashers on, it will flash multiple times beyond the four i was talking about. Has to  be feedback from the signals and solid state flasher. Good call:)
I will try the diode inline with flasher signal,(assuming the output wire rather than the input wire;)?

Thanks again
Ron
Title: Re: 2008 C14 ignition issue?
Post by: maxtog on May 18, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
If you changed to a solid state flasher unit and are running led turns this will happen.  It's back feeding into the system.  Make sure all turn signals are off before turning off the bike.  Make a real interesting time when its in gear and does that flash thing.  It's like riding a broncho.  A fix would be to put a diode inline with the flasher.  Keep it from back feeding.

That is an excellent catch!  And I am considering changing to an electronic flasher due to issues with my setup.  I wonder why if this is a known issue, they wouldn't include a diode in the circuit??
Title: Re: 2008 C14 ignition issue?
Post by: leisyman on May 22, 2015, 08:41:41 AM
Update:
Installed blocking diode in output of relay and,  :banana :banana :banana
No more flashing! Works perfectly now, just as it should.
Nice call and  Dade22 THANK YOU!
Ron