Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Paulmc on March 03, 2015, 06:12:37 PM
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I am looking for pros and cons on the fuel moto setup on the 14. I'm trying to figure if its worth the price. Thanks
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I got one and all I did was bolt it on.
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How is the sound on a normal ride. Did you do the pc and flies out?
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I have the Area P Carbon Slipon and PCV from Fuelmoto. I think the're perfect. Sound is great but not too loud. The CF can has held up very well after 5 years.
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I have the Area P Carbon Slipon and PCV from Fuelmoto. I think the're perfect. Sound is great but not too loud. The CF can has held up very well after 5 years.
2ND TO NONE.
I have the sweet Vance and Hines, but its still behind area P
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2ND TO NONE.
I have the sweet Vance and Hines, but its still behind area P
But Vance and Hines doesn't make a C14 exhaust, only a muffler, right?
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How is the sound on a normal ride. Did you do the pc and flies out?
I wouldn't know about the sound that much as I ride with ear plugs. No pc and the flies are still in. I really got it because everyone else was doing something with theirs. Couldn't be left out you know.
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I am looking for pros and cons on the fuel moto setup on the 14. I'm trying to figure if its worth the price. Thanks
I have the Area P CF slip on, no PC and I still have the flies in. The sound is fairly sedate while riding 'normally' (I guess that depends on your definition of normal through) but when I get on it, it sings a very sweet song! It sounds fantastic above 6k!
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Bought a used o9 with full area p pc5, autotune, rode bike 1500 miles home in shoei neotec no ear plugs all I heard was wind noise. Now have ear plugs and can hear exhaust and motor but not that loud at all running at 80 to 90 with 2 up. Now I just need someone to teach me how to use pc5 autotune and computer together!!!
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I have the full AreaP, PCV and Flies out on my '08. It sounds ok at normal speeds, but definitely will shriek when you twist the throttle up. Sometimes I'd still like to have a way to change the tone. It's not so much the loudness as it is the tone that sometimes annoys me. That's probably just because of all the hearing abuse I've done over the years coming back to haunt me, because most people don't have an issue. One big bonus is the full system does away with the catalytic converter on the stock system which creates most of the heat that folks complain about. I never even notice heat on mine. Over all, I like it and the tone is easily dealt with in my case, by using earplugs.
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I love the sound of an Area P, but wanted to be able to baffle occasionally.
I bought a $5.00 baffle on Ebay.
Modified it and installed it in the Muffler.
Cheap and definitely baffles the sound on an Area P.
NOTE: I haven't determined if it cuts down on power. Seems to run fine.
My thought was to install it when I wanted to do long trip.
Remove it for playing..
Ride safe, Ted
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Thanks guys I came off a few sportbikes and I miss the performance and sound so I will research it and see if it is worth it.
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You do know that aftermarket exhaust systems for a ZX14 will bolt right up (single sided), don't you? 8)
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definitely worth every penny, nice bargain, 20+hp and 20+T on mine, the carbon is always cool to the touch, the cooling fan hardly ever comes on too. What is best is the power wheelies and never being embarrassed by 1000 cc sport bikes while walking away from all of them so far
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Well that's what I'm looking for.
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Well that's what I'm looking for.
Then break out your wallet then tools and start tearing your bike apart to get to the headers :)
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I've had the full exhaust with the carbon fiber can, power commander, flies out since March of '12. It's awesome. I even pulled it off of my '11 and put it on my '13 with only one issue. One of the clamps rusted a little and broke when I removed it. I just got another from area P and used a car one temporarily. In all fairness I'd rather ride than wash my bike and not very gentle with bolts so it's probably just me.
The power increase in the mid range was huge. It gets a little loud above 6k but not enough for me to do anything about it. The PC was plug and play but you have to set the throttle position. No big deal, very easy. I would purchase again in a heart beat knowing what I know now.
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I built my own header by cutting up the stocker and a stock zx12 header and welding them up. Retimed the Ex cam, and a pcV. Pretty handily ate a 14 FJR yesterday. Steve
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I built my own header by cutting up the stocker and a stock zx12 header and welding them up. Retimed the Ex cam, and a pcV. Pretty handily ate a 14 FJR yesterday. Steve
Steve, dyno, canned map or autotune with the PC5?
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Steve, dyno, canned map or autotune with the PC5?
Canned map, and it's the same one that was in the pcv when I got it, with a 3 brothers slip on. I have an autotune, but not installed yet. BTW, the flies are still in, roll ons starting around 3500 rpm and according to the MS rags, the FJR actually shows more torque - a lot more - at that range. not what the real world showed though. Steve
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...according to the MS rags, the FJR actually shows more torque - a lot more - at that range. not what the real world showed though. Steve
I know the FJR always gets a nod for it's top gear roll-on power, but I'm curious, has anybody ever compared the gear ratios between the crank and the rear wheel on the FJR to the C14? The FJR is a 5spd isn't it? I know the FJR's 5th would be geared differently than the C14's 5th, but how doe the FJR's 5th compare to the C14's 6th? I'm just curious.
Sorry Steve...my question isn't really directed at you...it's just a general question in case anybody knows;).
Back to the original poster's question though...the Area-P full system and a PC5 kit with Fuelmoto mapping is the business. Period. I've tried just about every performance set-up available on two different C14's, and that set-up is the best, by far, in my own opinion. I know the Guhl ECU reflashes have become more popular over the years due to their plug-n-play convenience, but if you want to really maximize the performance of the C14 on the open road, an Area-P full system "performance package" from Fuelmoto is the way to go.
Peace & Axle Grease,
Rem 8)
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I know the FJR always gets a nod for it's top gear roll-on power, but I'm curious, has anybody ever compared the gear ratios between the crank and the rear wheel on the FJR to the C14?
The Connie is significantly taller geared in top gear than an FJR, so it's obviously slower. But that's a stupid test IMO, since you can just downshift to 5th and have basically the same roll-on performance. I MUCH rather have an extra overdrive 6th gear with a slower roll-on ALL DAY LONG ;D. If I remember correctly, 4K rpm in the FJR equates to 70 mph in 5th (on my ex-2007). I think the new is exactly the same, but it's 75 at best. The Connie is good for 88 mph; unheard of on a bike, and that's one of the main reasons I got it instead. You can be well into triple digits before the inherent I-4 harmonic vibration sets in. On the FJR, is starts right at 80. Plus I absolutely HATED how the FJR was geared for the twisties. It also vibrated like crazy at the ton, putting my limbs to sleep in a heartbeat. That was the main reason I sold it. Some say it's better now, but it's the same darn engine and tranny, so don't think that's the case. The Connie definitely feels smoother after the 35-mile trip from the dealer, but I'll find out for sure after my first long trip. So far, couldn't be happier with my choice; it's exactly what I want in a bike. Much more sport-oriented than FJRs (too softly sprung), the right gearing, the right comfort features, looks, etc. And well proven by now, so it should be very reliable. Have a great weekend ahead.
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I agree. Full Area P is the best power upgrade you can do.. Respring the C14 and a set of Ohlins/AK20's and you have a great bike. Still wont catch a stock ZX1400 but that is a whole different world of bikes.
I like a slipper clutch on C10 and C14 which the FJ does not have. I do not thank ANY sport touring bike has a slipper except for Connies.
Back to the original poster's question though...the Area-P full system and a PC5 kit with Fuelmoto mapping is the business. Period. I've tried just about every performance set-up available on two different C14's, and that set-up is the best, by far, in my own opinion. I know the Guhl ECU reflashes have become more popular over the years due to their plug-n-play convenience, but if you want to really maximize the performance of the C14 on the open road, an Area-P full system "performance package" from Fuelmoto is the way to go.
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The Connie is significantly taller geared in top gear than an FJR, so it's obviously slower. But that's a stupid test
Exactly. It is a very stupid test/comparison that means nothing.
IMO, since you can just downshift to 5th and have basically the same roll-on performance.
Probably more
I MUCH rather have an extra overdrive 6th gear with a slower roll-on ALL DAY LONG ;D.
Exactly. That is what a sports *TOURING* bike *should* have, a low top gear to reduce vibration and noise. We have the best of both... Put it in 5th and roll right past an FJR.
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I agree. Full Area P is the best power upgrade you can do..
After or at least at the same time as removing or flashifying the secondary butterflies (faster/cheaper)
I like a slipper clutch on C10 and C14 which the FJ does not have. I do not thank ANY sport touring bike has a slipper except for Connies.
Wow- they don't have that either? Blech! Slipper is niiiiiiiiiiiice...
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I would think that everyone does a high gear comparison of the 2, with both bikes in 5th?
I'm pretty sure that both would be 1 to 1 out of the tranny?
Not sure how the 2 differential ratio's compare...
5th in the Yamaha and 6th in the Connie wouldn't be a correct comparison.
Ride safe, Ted
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I would think that everyone does a high gear comparison of the 2, with both bikes in 5th?
5th in the Yamaha and 6th in the Connie wouldn't be a correct comparison.
True, and yet we have seen reviews that did just that!
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There probably is no direct way to compare them; the entire drive train has different gear ratios all through it, starting with the output shaft of the transmission, then going through two sets of 90 gears (the bevel set and the final drive). The FJR sings a bit more than a C-14 when both are in top gear on the highway, and it leads me to believe that 5th on both bikes <may> be the closest gearing comparison possible. But to know someone would have to check engine RPM at a given speed in both 5th and 6th on the C-14 and then 5th on a Feejer to really know which is closest.
Brian
I would think that everyone does a high gear comparison of the 2, with both bikes in 5th?
I'm pretty sure that both would be 1 to 1 out of the tranny?
Not sure how the 2 differential ratio's compare...
5th in the Yamaha and 6th in the Connie wouldn't be a correct comparison.
Ride safe, Ted
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OK how about if I do a c-14 to c-14 challenge? I'll use the same piped 09, and run it against my new to me 2012 (that I've had for 2 days) that ought to learn me somethin' :o
as far as the FJR roll-ons, they were done in 2-3 gear, yes gearing will alsways be the issue, but Steve - who owns the FJR was really surpised the 09 ran away as hard as it did. apparently he rides with another c-14 owner often, and it can't do what my 09 did. Steve
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Lot to be said by allowing an engine to breath and feed.
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Was there a question here Ted or are you just passing along a quote? :)
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OK how about if I do a c-14 to c-14 challenge? I'll use the same piped 09, and run it against my new to me 2012 (that I've had for 2 days) that ought to learn me somethin' :o
as far as the FJR roll-ons, they were done in 2-3 gear, yes gearing will alsways be the issue, but Steve - who owns the FJR was really surpised the 09 ran away as hard as it did. apparently he rides with another c-14 owner often, and it can't do what my 09 did. Steve
Sounds like you've definitely upped the torque on your bike..
Would have been even =better if that other C-14 had been there.
C-14 vs C-14; sounds like a good plan.
Run them. determine the difference.
Tweak one and repeat.
Would be even better if you could keep your hands off of the 12.
(But, we all know that ain't gonna happen).. <grin>
Ride safe, Ted