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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => The Bike - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: wandern on June 18, 2011, 09:26:23 PM
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The 08/09 left and right dash panels (parts 14091A/B) have several screws on their sides and then a final screw that screws into a panel behind the windscreen. I've never seen such a crowded Kawi fiche as the one for the Concours (not to mention that the angles on some of the parts make them impossible to identify).
The L/R dash panel screw that's only accessible by removing the windscreen is missing on both sides but for the life of me I can't figure out what part number to order.
Would anyone happen to have removed those and be familiar with what they are, or have psychic abilities and be able to find them on the fiche?
Kawasaki's parts diagram system is broken right now, but here's the Ron Ayers page:
http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26/Type/Cowling%28Upper%29/MakeID/3/Make/Kawasaki/YearID/50/Year/2009/ModelID/8422/Model/Concours_14_ABS_%28ZG1400-A9F%29/GroupID/404271/Group/Cowling%28Upper%29 (http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26/Type/Cowling%28Upper%29/MakeID/3/Make/Kawasaki/YearID/50/Year/2009/ModelID/8422/Model/Concours_14_ABS_%28ZG1400-A9F%29/GroupID/404271/Group/Cowling%28Upper%29)
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The part you are looking for might be one of the rivets, look for part no. 92039A on the drawing close to the windshield ;)
This one's not using an M5 screw but a plastic river instead.
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Yeah, plastic rivets which you remove by pushing the centre pin in to release. I've removed them permantly from mine - just in case I ever get stuck with a KIPASS issue as you can't remove the rivets if the screen is right down but you can remove the screws and roll that black cover up and inwards to access the plug. I have a lightly tinted screen so you can't see that the rivets are not there.
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AkWhite: perfect. I was able to track down some threads on this. I found some USA-made rivets on ebay for a reasonable price that I'm going to try.
Freddy: I want to replace them because the dash panel is vibrating in that area. I carry a 5mm allen key so I can remove the windscreen if I need to get to the rivets again to remove them.
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Yeah mine vibrates there too but as I wear ear plugs when riding I don't notice it at all. ;D
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AkWhite: perfect. I was able to track down some threads on this. I found some USA-made rivets on ebay for a reasonable price that I'm going to try.
What size are they because I need to replace a couple?
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What size are they because I need to replace a couple?
I ordered 6mm. I'll post an update here once they arrive and I've installed them.
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I ordered these 6mm plastic rivets off of ebay and they are a perfect match for the OEM part (and much less expensive):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fender-Rivets-ATV-6mm-Suzuki-Kawasaki-Ozark-Vinson-LTZ-/140397914550?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b05e29b6 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fender-Rivets-ATV-6mm-Suzuki-Kawasaki-Ozark-Vinson-LTZ-/140397914550?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20b05e29b6)
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I found these rivets at Rocky Mountain atv. I hope its ok to show a link as I dotn work there or have any sort of interest in the place. http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&webTypeId=117&navTitle=Tools%2FShop&webCatId=22&keyword=rivets&prodFamilyId=17175 (http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&webTypeId=117&navTitle=Tools%2FShop&webCatId=22&keyword=rivets&prodFamilyId=17175)
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I found these rivets at Rocky Mountain atv. I hope its ok to show a link as I dotn work there or have any sort of interest in the place. http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&webTypeId=117&navTitle=Tools%2FShop&webCatId=22&keyword=rivets&prodFamilyId=17175 (http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&webTypeId=117&navTitle=Tools%2FShop&webCatId=22&keyword=rivets&prodFamilyId=17175)
That link is for 8mm rivets (6mm is the correct size for this application).
They also have 6mm available, however.
I ordered from ebay because Rocky Mountain wanted $7 to ship which negated the lower base price. I suppose if you were ordering several packages it might be a better price. They also couldn't tell me where the rivets were made and I wasn't chancing getting Chinese ones.
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Good point on the 6mm vs 8mm. I bought a few packs of each to cover all the bikes I have. 7.00 for shipping stung a bit, though.
For an emergency, Auto Zone sells some that will work. They look a little different, but are 6mm plastic rivets. I THINK they were for Nissan cars, but may have been Toyota.
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Perfect timing on this as one of mine up and disappeared.
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I realize this is an old thread but I'm wondering if the discussion here relates to the problem I have. I'm looking for 2 plastic rivets that mount in the dash behind the screen.
I have a 2012, I purchased used, and I see they are missing, or somethings missing. Is there a better, easier fix than these rivets. I don't mind ordering them, I just want to be right.
Also, is there a list of rivets and any links where I can buy 2 or 3 of various types?
Thanks
Here is a picture, sorry for the quality.
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look here.... http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1650.0 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1650.0)
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I'll note that you can also find a reasonable facsimile of these at many auto parts stores. There is nothing special about them. Just plastic push rivets.
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One of mine is broken and i just ordered a box of these, they look like the same thing and have the correct sizing. I'll see when they get here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/391003952499 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/391003952499)
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2talltim,
Would you mind posting here either way, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks
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Yup no problem.
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I have used those rivets with great success. I actually prefer them over the stock rivets.
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2talltim,
Would you mind posting here either way, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks
They are a great fit, acually fit tighter than the original prob because the original has been off 20 times.
Sorry for the crappy pic they were taken with my phone but basicly one is the old and one is the new. Can you tell the difference?
(http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr334/2talltim/20160219_162112.jpg) (http://s497.photobucket.com/user/2talltim/media/20160219_162112.jpg.html)
(http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr334/2talltim/20160219_162150.jpg) (http://s497.photobucket.com/user/2talltim/media/20160219_162150.jpg.html)
(http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr334/2talltim/20160219_162058.jpg) (http://s497.photobucket.com/user/2talltim/media/20160219_162058.jpg.html)
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They are a great fit, acually fit tighter than the original prob because the original has been off 20 times.
Sorry for the crappy pic they were taken with my phone but basicly one is the old and one is the new. Can you tell the difference?
I can't tell, looks reasonable to me. Those things are a bit hard to work with and are easily damaged. It is nice to know that spares are not THAT rare.
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2talltim,
Look great, have them on order.
thanks
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I dont even bother putting the push rivets under the windshield.
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I use the ones where the center piece sticks out and you can grab it with your fingers..
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I use the ones where the center piece sticks out and you can grab it with your fingers..
Is there any other kind?
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Yes, the ones where the center pin is flush with the rivet. Mine is not flush, it's up about a quarter inch.
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So you pull yours out rather than push it in?
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So you pull yours out rather than push it in?
(easy boys!)
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Yes, the ones where the center pin is flush with the rivet. Mine is not flush, it's up about a quarter inch.
I haven't seen those before... so you are saying they always stay popped out? I have only seen the kind you push in and then they pop out, or the kind that have a psedo-screw that you unscrew and then pull them out.
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I dont even bother putting the push rivets under the windshield.
Young lady, you may have the neatest Rostra install ever done, but..... your bike just isn't in ship shape without those pins in their proper position.
Finally a bit of tarnish on your brass. ;D (http://images.zaazu.com/img/sailor-sailor-navy-costume-smiley-emoticon-000802-small.gif)
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I haven't seen those before... so you are saying they always stay popped out? I have only seen the kind you push in and then they pop out, or the kind that have a psedo-screw that you unscrew and then pull them out.
Yep. They push in just enough to allow the rivet to grab...
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Young lady, you may have the neatest Rostra install ever done, but..... your bike just isn't in ship shape without those pins in their proper position.
Finally a bit of tarnish on your brass. ;D (http://images.zaazu.com/img/sailor-sailor-navy-costume-smiley-emoticon-000802-small.gif)
Awww, Marty, now I feel bad. Guess I better go out and install them there rivets. Having a dark tint windshield, it not possible to see that they are missing. Or should I say were missing.
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We just don't want you buzzing and vibrating all over the place. It isn't lady-like :)
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We just don't want you buzzing and vibrating all over the place. It isn't lady-like :)
Well now let's not be so restrictive, after all she is at sea a lot, give a girl a break max'.
Sorry Sailor_chic, after seeing your nice tidy work on your bike I just couldn't stand that plastic flopping around all rivet-less.
I feel better now knowing all your brass is shiny again. :thumbs:
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Another option is to take the time to replace this cheap junk with speed nuts.
( http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-Black-Steel-M6-6mm-Fairing-Bolt-Spire-Speed-Fastener-Clips-Spring-Nut-/251793577968?hash=item3aa01117f0:g:LBYAAOSwWKtUt2qE&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-Black-Steel-M6-6mm-Fairing-Bolt-Spire-Speed-Fastener-Clips-Spring-Nut-/251793577968?hash=item3aa01117f0:g:LBYAAOSwWKtUt2qE&vxp=mtr) )
Or just search for 6mm speed nuts.
Here is 10 speed nuts for a "reasonable" price but beware - they will come from Hong Kong and that will take a couple weeks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Fairing-Bolts-M6-6mm-Spire-Speed-Fastener-Clips-Spring-Nuts-x10-/301716363414?hash=item463fb25896:g:vO8AAOSw9N1V0sA8&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Fairing-Bolts-M6-6mm-Spire-Speed-Fastener-Clips-Spring-Nuts-x10-/301716363414?hash=item463fb25896:g:vO8AAOSw9N1V0sA8&vxp=mtr)
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Does anyone know all the sizes of these things that are used on the c-14?
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Another option is to take the time to replace this cheap junk with speed nuts.
( http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-Black-Steel-M6-6mm-Fairing-Bolt-Spire-Speed-Fastener-Clips-Spring-Nut-/251793577968?hash=item3aa01117f0:g:LBYAAOSwWKtUt2qE&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-Black-Steel-M6-6mm-Fairing-Bolt-Spire-Speed-Fastener-Clips-Spring-Nut-/251793577968?hash=item3aa01117f0:g:LBYAAOSwWKtUt2qE&vxp=mtr) )
Or just search for 6mm speed nuts.
Here is 10 speed nuts for a "reasonable" price but beware - they will come from Hong Kong and that will take a couple weeks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Fairing-Bolts-M6-6mm-Spire-Speed-Fastener-Clips-Spring-Nuts-x10-/301716363414?hash=item463fb25896:g:vO8AAOSw9N1V0sA8&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Fairing-Bolts-M6-6mm-Spire-Speed-Fastener-Clips-Spring-Nuts-x10-/301716363414?hash=item463fb25896:g:vO8AAOSw9N1V0sA8&vxp=mtr)
I don't know how many times you have removed the complete plastic, but I for one have no issue with the rivits, as they are easy to work with...
I couldn't see adding more threaded fasteners to an already monsterous amount that's there already... especially the ones in tight quarters....
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Does anyone know all the sizes of these things that are used on the c-14?
it helps reading the first page of a thread.... maybe start at post#7???
mmmkayyyy
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I don't know how many times you have removed the complete plastic, but I for one have no issue with the rivits, as they are easy to work with...
I couldn't see adding more threaded fasteners to an already monsterous amount that's there already... especially the ones in tight quarters....
I have not removed the complete plastic - hope I never do! I bought this bike for many reasons, one of which was people say it never needs fixing. I have a lot of trouble bending over for extended periods - I'm an old geezer :)
I'm glad you like the rivets. I sure don't! I removed the side fairings to fix an exhaust leak and 2 or 3 of them fell into the dark recesses... To me they almost seem to be one trip ponies and the price is out (!)ing RAGIOUS! I will change the ones in the side fairings and behind the windshield to the speed nuts. I think they'll be easier to manage, at least in those positions.
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I wish you best of luck on those, it will require you to now remove the windshield, 4 screws and a very fragile bunch of work, to remove the black plastic inner pans that had 1 rivet in them each, time savings and ease? no, and the other bottom rivet spots to boot.
there are enough painful screws to remove already, in blind and really difficult access points for these fairings to me, and getting them all aligned and screws installed, to me is a buzz kill. I've pulled fairings on these bikes at least 20 times, using a rechargeable electric 1/4 drive ratchet and bits speed the process, and allow access in the confined spaces, but still are a pain to get all of them out while sitting on the floor... I'm old also, but have a lift, it helps. I'll caution you on the clip nuts, because it will be all too easy to over tighten the ones you are planning on doing, and resultingly breaking the fragile tabs that the rivets hold together.... in some cases, these fasteners were chosen because they didn't require any compression to hold things, just to restrict lateral movements on panels located by strategic mounting interlocking tabs...
it seems to be an overkill on the fastener for those points, which you may find when you tighten them down, and hear... crack.
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I wish you best of luck on those, it will require you to now remove the windshield, 4 screws and a very fragile bunch of work, to remove the black plastic inner pans that had 1 rivet in them each, time savings and ease? no, and the other bottom rivet spots to boot.
there are enough painful screws to remove already, in blind and really difficult access points for these fairings to me, and getting them all aligned and screws installed, to me is a buzz kill. I've pulled fairings on these bikes at least 20 times, using a rechargeable electric 1/4 drive ratchet and bits speed the process, and allow access in the confined spaces, but still are a pain to get all of them out while sitting on the floor... I'm old also, but have a lift, it helps. I'll caution you on the clip nuts, because it will be all too easy to over tighten the ones you are planning on doing, and resultingly breaking the fragile tabs that the rivets hold together.... in some cases, these fasteners were chosen because they didn't require any compression to hold things, just to restrict lateral movements on panels located by strategic mounting interlocking tabs...
it seems to be an overkill on the fastener for those points, which you may find when you tighten them down, and hear... crack.
ouch! ok - maybe not... I just don't like the idea... I'm sure I'd like broken fairings even less!
Thanks for this.
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I have a lot of trouble bending over for extended periods - I'm an old geezer :)
Join my world. Get yourself a rolling adjustable height automotive chair and a large bottle of Aleve. I should own stock in that company.
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The problem with having those rivets or speed nuts as Mage showed, is that the windshield needs to be pulled to remove a fairing cover. Since my Fuzeblock is under the right side fairing, this just add to the steps required if I need to change a fuse. With those specific rivets missing, its 6 bolts and the side cover is off.
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Join my world. Get yourself a rolling adjustable height automotive chair and a large bottle of Aleve. I should own stock in that company.
While it is not my intention to highjack this thread and convert it into a discussion of old age maladies, you might try NABUMETONE. Prescription, of course, but it has helped me to the point I am not able to describe it. I rode the bike 110 miles a few days ago, ate chinese then rode it all the way back (fuel stop). I felt like I could keep on going! I'm sure many are thinking, so what? You'll figure that out, if you live long enough .)
I used to take alieve. Sometimes it made my heart race. Scary....
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The problem with having those rivets or speed nuts as Mage showed, is that the windshield needs to be pulled to remove a fairing cover. Since my Fuzeblock is under the right side fairing, this just add to the steps required if I need to change a fuse. With those specific rivets missing, its 6 bolts and the side cover is off.
Don't let these guys razz you - rofl - I've been riding with mine gone for a few thousand miles and I haven't been arrested, so far...
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The problem with having those rivets or speed nuts as Mage showed, is that the windshield needs to be pulled to remove a fairing cover. Since my Fuzeblock is under the right side fairing, this just add to the steps required if I need to change a fuse. With those specific rivets missing, its 6 bolts and the side cover is off.
The 2 rivets can be removed easily without taking off the windshield. Just use an off set screw driver or what I use is a pick with a 90 degree bent end. Harborfrieght sells the complete pick set for $1.99 , In the picture its the pick all the way on the right side.
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The problem with having those rivets or speed nuts as Mage showed, is that the windshield needs to be pulled to remove a fairing cover. Since my Fuzeblock is under the right side fairing, this just add to the steps required if I need to change a fuse. With those specific rivets missing, its 6 bolts and the side cover is off.
I used to have my Fuzeblock in the same location. I ended up modifying the factory toolbox & put the Fuzeblock there. Now if I need to get to it all I have to do is remove the seat. :chugbeer:
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The problem with having those rivets or speed nuts as Mage showed, is that the windshield needs to be pulled to remove a fairing cover. Since my Fuzeblock is under the right side fairing, this just add to the steps required if I need to change a fuse. With those specific rivets missing, its 6 bolts and the side cover is off.
Ahhhh...OK, there's the rub.
Yes, I see now why you might want to leave the rivets out. You do not need to remove the windshield to get those out or in, although it does make it a little easier to do so. I raise the windshield and then turn off the bike while holding the up button so the windshield stays raised. Then using almost anything like what zarticus showed in his post (I've used bent stout paper clips) and a couple of rags shoved in the lose a part here slots under the windshield the rivets can be removed or installed without windshield removal. However for fuse access, I can see why you wouldn't want to do that while on a trip or along side the road. So, with that understanding you now have my permission ( ::) Oh what a ... (http://cdn.meme.am/instances/19248874.jpg)) to roam about the country semi rivet-less.
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The 2 rivets can be removed easily without taking off the windshield.
You responded before I could. I have removed those rivets before without taking off the windshield and it didn't seem all that difficult.
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You responded before I could. I have removed those rivets before without taking off the windshield and it didn't seem all that difficult.
and all you need to pop the pin is a toothpick...or half of one... ::)
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Good to know Mage, thanks for the advice :)