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Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: Rembrant on September 25, 2014, 01:11:36 PM
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200 miles to one gallon?
What is not to like about this method?
Gas saver dodge running on fumes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFxwJ8mIDtA#)
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:popcorn:
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Yeah I run mine on methane ... but that damm hose hurts when I insert it :o
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ahhh, i don't think so. what about little things like a/f ratio, and BTU's... they're running on fumes, too :P Steve
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ahhh, i don't think so. what about little things like a/f ratio, and BTU's... they're running on fumes, too :P Steve
C'mon now Steve...don't go ruining all this with facts and logic...lol.
Rem :o
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I have heard that the most important part to having that work well is the calibration of the system.
Brian
200 miles to one gallon?
What is not to like about this method?
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Hard to believe a gasoline water pipe would vaporize fuel better than an engineered injection system. That's exactly what carburetors and fuel injectors do only at carefully calibrated fuel/air mixture.
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Carbs and injectors atomize fuel, not vaporize.
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"Hillbilly" use of a plastic gas can for under-hood fuel tank is the type of crap that lead to the end of Blitz:
http://www.facesoflawsuitabuse.org/2012/12/the-last-week-how-lawsuits-doomed-an-american-icon/ (http://www.facesoflawsuitabuse.org/2012/12/the-last-week-how-lawsuits-doomed-an-american-icon/)
Also, these guys need to read up about air/fuel ratios, like SISF said.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air%E2%80%93fuel_ratio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air%E2%80%93fuel_ratio)
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Thinking about it, I guess I'll concede that the thing will run as he has it built.
His video shows that much..
Interesting;
Some early carburetors were simply a sponge or wick that pulled wet gas into the material. (like a wick on a kerosene lantern)
On those early carbs, Air passing into the motor/over the wet sponge drew air/gas mixture into the motor..
Was pretty crude, but it did work in early automotive history...
On his invention, the 3 hoses would limit the amount of air that he can pull into the engine.
I assume he wouldn't have enough volume for higher rpm's. (so his RPM range must be limited)...
And as stated by others,,, the AF ratio, would have to be perfect to work at all...
Thinking out loud; Something like this could work on an engine that runs a constant RPM.
Like a old industrial water pump etc... But would be a PITA for other uses...
Ride safe, Ted
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Constant RPM? Hmmm, maybe use it to run a generator to power the electric motors in a car? Kinda like train engines....
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Thinking about it, I guess I'll concede that the thing will run as he has it built.
His video shows that much..
Interesting;
Some early carburetors were simply a sponge or wick that pulled wet gas into the material. (like a wick on a kerosene lantern)
On those early carbs, Air passing into the motor/over the wet sponge drew air/gas mixture into the motor..
Was pretty crude, but it did work in early automotive history...
On his invention, the 3 hoses would limit the amount of air that he can pull into the engine.
I assume he wouldn't have enough volume for higher rpm's. (so his RPM range must be limited)...
And as stated by others,,, the AF ratio, would have to be perfect to work at all...
Thinking out loud; Something like this could work on an engine that runs a constant RPM.
Like a old industrial water pump etc... But would be a PITA for other uses...
Ride safe, Ted
The Wright Brothers engine dripped fuel onto a hot plate. But that engine only made about 9hp.
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Smoky Yunick from nascar built a vapor system for his Ford Festiva and was featured in Popular Mechanics in the early years.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5778590-SmoKy-Yunick-s-hot-vapor-engine (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5778590-SmoKy-Yunick-s-hot-vapor-engine)
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Smoky Yunick from nascar built a vapor system for his Ford Festiva and was featured in Popular Mechanics in the early years.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5778590-SmoKy-Yunick-s-hot-vapor-engine (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5778590-SmoKy-Yunick-s-hot-vapor-engine)
Car brings back memories, a gal in wilkesboro NC had one and put the Ferrari kit on it. The car was a flop but she was fine as wine.
(http://image.hotrod.com/f/techarticles/engine/hrdp_1009_what_ever_happened_to_smokeys_hot_vapor_engine/28591577+w794/hrdp_1009_01_o+what_ever_happened_to_smokeys_hot_vapor_engine+hot_rod_june_1984.jpg)
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OMG, a Fiero! These were the cars that caught fire weren't they?
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I don't remember those getting that moniker but Ford Pintos certainly did. Of course there were not that many of those that actually caught fire either but it turned into a media circus.
Brian
OMG, a Fiero! These were the cars that caught fire weren't they?
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The early model was known for engine fires. I seem to recall that the insurance rates for these vehicles went through the roof but I can't prove that as my memory is one of the least reliable things about me.
Language is a bit salty at times...
Fiero on Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hEax-qFUuY#)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Fiero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Fiero)
Feiro catches fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FHcrS5uaY8#)
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Might have been something with the toxicity of the fires if memory serves.
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Cause it was made out of plastic body panels? Again, another great idea from GM.
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Interesting- I know the Fieros were a little.... odd but did not realize they had that 'burst into flames' trick.
That video sorta' looks like a BMW final drive burning up only bigger. ;) ;D
Brian
The early model was known for engine fires. I seem to recall that the insurance rates for these vehicles went through the roof but I can't prove that as my memory is one of the least reliable things about me.
Language is a bit salty at times...
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The early model was known for engine fires. I seem to recall that the insurance rates for these vehicles went through the roof but I can't prove that as my memory is one of the least reliable things about me.
Language is a bit salty at times...
Fiero on Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hEax-qFUuY#)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Fiero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Fiero)
Feiro catches fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FHcrS5uaY8#)
I had a friend with a Meserati that this happened to. He was driving along, smells smoke, pulls over, gets out of the car and WOOF! It burst into flames.
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Yep, Pontiac aptly named them. My nephew had one, couldn't keep engine bearings in it. The engine was tilted to one side but they failed to modify the oil pickup.
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I had some friends into installing V8s in them, and they were beasts.
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I had some friends into installing V8s in them, and they were beasts.
Big engine in a little car. Hey it worked for Carol Shelby. 8)
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The rear end was basically the GM X-car front sub-frame and engine bolted to the rear of the Fiero. The front end was from the Chevette, which nobody would touch when you wanted the front end lined up as it would not hold alighnment. When it was decided to give it more power in the way of a V-6, which sounded like a good idea on paper, the weight gain from the V-6 negated any performance gains.
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Yesterday went out to the parking garage at work and right next to my C14 is a Fiero. Haven't seen one or even thought about one for a decade until this thread. It looked in new condition. Somebody really took care of it. Too bad GM didn't spend a little more time engineering it to perform as well as it looked.
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I ga ron tee the V6 was faster than the Iron Duke four. My nephew owned one.
A neighbor has a white Fiero.
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Carbs and injectors atomize fuel, not vaporize.
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HAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA !!!!
I ga ron tee you should not comment on technical subjects, friend. Pretty funny, though.
On a serious note, Fuel isn't "atoms", but "molecules". Assuming we agree on what the words mean. Atom == the quantum of a single element. Molecule == the smallest unit of a construction of multiple atoms, typically electrically neutral. (H2O, C6H12O6, LiFePO4, etc.).
You cannot "atomize" fuel...but you can "vaporize" it. A carburetor or FI unit would be good for that.
Oh, and flame away...
saxman
P.S. The Iron Duke was pretty slow, even with the manual. The V6 would have to be faster...
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When the fuel goes through a carb or injector the fuel does not vaporize. It is small droplets. The Fordson tractor has a vapoizer in.line before the carb. If the carb vaporizes fuel why the need for a vaporizer? The fuel remains a liquid. Ever seen slo mo film of fuel going through an injector?
Atomization is a misnomer but it is used because the fuel is made into such small droplets.
If it was vaporized the liquid would go through a change of state but it doesnt. The cold mist vaporizers used in homes arent really vaporizers. They are atomizers like perfume sray bottles or the old bug sprayers. What comes out is actually a fine mist. The liquid doesnt go through a change of state into a gas but remains a liquid.
I suggest you dont comment on technical issues instead.
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Since when did we have a requirement to be a subject matter expert on anything here.....let me see......never. I checked all the rules and...yep....no such rule. Can someone reply with a differing explanation or opinion...absolutely. We wouldn't have it any other way. As long as we keep it civil....right? And before this goes sideways...lets all think about that and have an extra special good morning with a nice breakfast and a good cup of joe (no flavors, just straight coffee).
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Received this email the other day.
Can't find a link, thinking it might be a bit of a spoof.Subject: Fwd: FW: Modern Miracle.....
All I can say is, “WOW!”
What is this?
Will it be the next big thing?
Tata Motors of India thinks so.
What will the Oil Companies do to stop it?
It is an auto engine that runs on air. That's right; air not gas or diesel or electric but just the air around us. Take a look.
Tata Motors of India has scheduled the Air Car to hit Indian streets
The Air Car, developed by ex-Formula One engineer Guy N. For Luxembourg-based MDI, uses compressed air to push its engine's pistons and make the car go.
The Air Car, called the "Mini CAT" could cost around 365,757 rupees in India or $8,177 US.
The Mini CAT which is a simple, light urban car, with a tubular chassis, a body of fiberglass that is glued not welded and powered by compressed air. A Microprocessor is used to control all electrical functions of the car. One tiny radio transmitter sends instructions to the lights, turn signals and every other electrical device on the car. Which are not many.
The temperature of the clean air expelled by the exhaust pipe is between 0-15 degrees below zero, which makes it suitable for use by the internal air conditioning system with no need for gases or loss of power.
There are no keys, just an access card which can be read by the car from your pocket. According to the designers, it costs less than 50 rupees per 100 KM, that's about a tenth the cost of a car running on gas. It's mileage is about double that of the most advanced electric car, a factor which makes it a perfect choice for city motorists. The car has a top speed of 105 KM per hour or 60 mph and would have a range of around 300 km or 185 miles between refuels. Refilling the car will take place at adapted gas stations with special air compressors. A fill up will only take two to three minutes and costs approximately 100 rupees ($1.78 CAD!) and the car will be ready to go another 300 kilometers.
This car can also be filled at home with it's on board compressor. It will take 3-4 hours to refill the tank, but it can be done while you sleep.
Because there is no combustion engine, changing the 1 liter of vegetable oil is only necessary every 50,000 KM or 30,000 miles.
Due to its simplicity, there is very little maintenance to be done on this car.
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It'll never sell I tell ya, never! Although it is...
Wait for it...wait for it..................................................................................................wait for it...........................................
Spock - Fascinating! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFods1KSWsQ#)
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That's....intriguing.
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Well, I really do hate to be the guy who keeps raining on everyone's parade regarding all these new, wonderful and (especially) mystical discoveries but..... I gots to do it in the name of [science, reality, physics, common sense]!
Compressed air is terribly inefficient. If this sub- sized 'car' (really a motorcycle as it has three wheels) is cheap to drive, it is because it is so tremendously underpowered, as well as small and light. But let's not confuse this with efficiency. If the whole thing was scaled up to power something that might pass DOT parameter and that we might drive in the US, the air compressor power source would be less than 1/2 as efficient as our current gasoline powered vehicles and have none of the unusual requirements (special fueling stations, incredibly clean, dry air, etc.).
Compressed air powered vehicles are in the 5% to 7% overall efficiency area, compared to gasoline powered vehicles which typically exhibit 14% or a bit more in overall efficiency. Then add in the inefficiency of generating the electricity that is used to compress the air (30% to 35%, and this is burning some of the dirtiest fuel uses- coal), the electrical transmission losses and finally, the compressor efficiency at the time of actually compressing the air.
And the idea that a compressed air powered 'anything' is clean because it does not use any fossil fuel is just silly- fossil fuel is what will compress the air, just as it is the source of electricity for electric cars. So for the tree huggers that would like to think this is all a step forward, just think, we are moving from a fairly dirty, non- US produced fossil fuel (gasoline) to a tremendously dirty, US produced fossil fuel (coal).
I think a much, much better idea [that failed as this one will] was the hydrogen powered car. At least that had the potential to yield something more efficient and cleaner than we are currently using. It still won't work because of practical reasons but at least it looked like it could work. Same thing with T. Boone Pickens drive (no pun intended) to convert road use vehicles over to natural gas- at least that had some practical aspects and would accomplish what he set out to do: move our fuel consumption from foreign to domestic supplies.
OK, putting my pin away now (the one I use to pop Unicorn made bubbles). :-)
Brian
Received this email the other day.
Can't find a link, thinking it might be a bit of a spoof.Subject: Fwd: FW: Modern Miracle.....
<snip>
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It'll never sell I tell ya, never! Although it is...
Wait for it...wait for it..................................................................................................wait for it...........................................
Spock - Fascinating! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFods1KSWsQ#)
McCoy: [to Spock] Are you out of your Vulcan mind?
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Possibly.
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Nothing new there. Heard/read about these years ago.
Yep, not very efficient and no heat source for those of us up north. There was supposed to be compressed air filling stations that were to make them somewhat more viable, but of course it never will happen.
A month ago we went to the largest antique and steam engine show in this part of the country in Rollag Mn. (Population maybe 200?) they have building after building plus mobile exhibits of old engines of every known kind and a lot I didn't know of. Lots of cool, old technology. Hot air engines, turbines, diesels and steam engines of every type and size, some as long as a football field. Unbelievable stuff that was made so long ago and all mechanical, some of which is quite complicated. Still running and looking better than new in some displays.
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Possibly.
That was not directed at you. ;)
One to many fascinating's
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Not if you are a Trekkie.. Can't have enough...
Spock - Fascinating! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFods1KSWsQ#)
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For the Trekkies:
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:rotflmao:
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Dammit, Jim! I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!
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Mechanics I need, not so much doctors.