Kawasaki Concours Forum
The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: ZG on August 10, 2014, 04:32:08 PM
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If cost was no object what would the ultimate brake set-up be for the Connie? ???
I'd like to hear your guys opinions and suggestions to make sure I'm not missing anything in my searches so far...
I'm thinking of upgrading my brake set-up next, so far this is what I've found that I think would be a decent setup, but still undecided... :-\
Brembo front brake calipers in the nickel plated...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261540898123?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261540898123?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/brembofront2_zps1a9ee710.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/brembofront2_zps1a9ee710.jpg.html)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/brembopic_zps69060436.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/brembopic_zps69060436.jpg.html)
Brembo rear brake caliper in the matching nickel plated...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261544728530?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261544728530?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/bremborear_zps8c4378bf.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/bremborear_zps8c4378bf.jpg.html)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/bremborear2_zpsd18194d2.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/bremborear2_zpsd18194d2.jpg.html)
Brembo 320mm T-drive rotors...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brembo-T-Drive-Front-Floating-Rotor-Kit-ZX6R-636-ZX10R-ZX14R-ZX14-Z750-Z1000-/261533648948?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ce49ec834&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brembo-T-Drive-Front-Floating-Rotor-Kit-ZX6R-636-ZX10R-ZX14R-ZX14-Z750-Z1000-/261533648948?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ce49ec834&vxp=mtr)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/bremborotorfront2_zps247c2c81.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/bremborotorfront2_zps247c2c81.jpg.html)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/bremborotorfront_zps39d33f02.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/bremborotorfront_zps39d33f02.jpg.html)
And then run Brembo pads all around, which one still TBD...
What do you folks think? Any thoughts good or bad or any suggestions on another/better path? ??? :-\
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No ZG you got it all wrong...
It's BimBo's
They look BAD
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The brakes on the C14 are the best (when they aren't warping) I've ever experienced on a motorcycle. I don't think I would do anything to them except redesign them so that they didn't warp. The Brembos are bling. Granted they are very good, but still bling never the less..especially nickel coated. Of course, nickel is my favorite finish these days but typically I buy faucets, fixtures, locks, and ceiling fans with that finish....not so much bike stuff. You know, why not nickel instead of chrome? Chrome is so old fashioned.
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Jay, may I suggest getting the 330mm rotors. I think these even look better than those T-drives. I think you can get them in black or gold.
http://tinyurl.com/ofzv4zs (http://tinyurl.com/ofzv4zs)
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Jay, may I suggest getting the 330mm rotors. I think these even look better than those T-drives. I think you can get them in black or gold.
http://tinyurl.com/ofzv4zs (http://tinyurl.com/ofzv4zs)
Thanks for the help Mike. :chugbeer:
I think the Brembo's only come in a 310 or 320, are you saying that those rotors you posted the link too are a better way to go vs the Brembo's? Are there any other brands that you know of that make a 330? :-\
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Yes Jay, BrakeTech makes a 330mm which I already thought you knew about. I am running the Chinese 320mm from ebay on my C10 and they seem just as good as the EBC's I had on before. The Doc is running them on his ZX14 and same thing- they seem to work well unless they start glowing red again.
http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,47664.msg387297.html#msg387297 (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,47664.msg387297.html#msg387297)
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If cost was no object what would the ultimate brake set-up be for the Connie? ???
I'd like to hear your guys opinions and suggestions to make sure I'm not missing anything in my searches so far...
I'm thinking of upgrading my brake set-up next, so far this is what I've found that I think would be a decent setup, but still undecided... :-\
Brembo front brake calipers in the nickel plated...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261540898123?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261540898123?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/brembofront2_zps1a9ee710.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/brembofront2_zps1a9ee710.jpg.html)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/brembopic_zps69060436.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/brembopic_zps69060436.jpg.html)
Brembo rear brake caliper in the matching nickel plated...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261544728530?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261544728530?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/bremborear_zps8c4378bf.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/bremborear_zps8c4378bf.jpg.html)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/bremborear2_zpsd18194d2.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/bremborear2_zpsd18194d2.jpg.html)
Brembo 320mm T-drive rotors...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brembo-T-Drive-Front-Floating-Rotor-Kit-ZX6R-636-ZX10R-ZX14R-ZX14-Z750-Z1000-/261533648948?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ce49ec834&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brembo-T-Drive-Front-Floating-Rotor-Kit-ZX6R-636-ZX10R-ZX14R-ZX14-Z750-Z1000-/261533648948?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ce49ec834&vxp=mtr)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/bremborotorfront2_zps247c2c81.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/bremborotorfront2_zps247c2c81.jpg.html)
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/bremborotorfront_zps39d33f02.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/bremborotorfront_zps39d33f02.jpg.html)
And then run Brembo pads all around, which one still TBD...
What do you folks think? Any thoughts good or bad or any suggestions on another/better path? ??? :-\
ZG,
I have no experience with Brembo on a C-14, but have ridden bikes and owned a bike with Brembo's they are top shelf..
Other than price I can't see you getting hurt with them.. :)
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Yes Jay, BrakeTech makes a 330mm which I already thought you knew about. I am running the Chinese 320mm from ebay on my C10 and they seem just as good as the EBC's I had on before. The Doc is running them on his ZX14 and same thing- they seem to work well unless they start glowing red again.
http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,47664.msg387297.html#msg387297 (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,47664.msg387297.html#msg387297)
Thanks Mike, yes one of the local shops I use also recommended the BrakeTech rotors. I've never used their rotors before though, thanks for the help. :chugbeer:
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ZG,
I have no experience with Brembo on a C-14, but have ridden bikes and owned a bike with Brembo's they are top shelf..
Other than price I can't see you getting hurt with them.. :)
:thumbs: :chugbeer:
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The brakes on the C14 are the best (when they aren't warping) I've ever experienced on a motorcycle. ...
Amen to that I'm not sure I would want any more responsive brakes. But then again we all have different riding styles.
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You might as well price out the master cylinders while you're at it.
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And the brake lines :thumbs:
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You might as well price out the master cylinders while you're at it.
Agreed, good one Bruce, thanks. :chugbeer:
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And the brake lines :thumbs:
Already have braided lines all around, so at least I'm good to go on that already! :) :chugbeer:
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I've had good dealings with these folks.
http://www.spieglerusa.com/ (http://www.spieglerusa.com/)
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Nickel? Isn't all-black the (current) goal?
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I've had good dealings with these folks.
http://www.spieglerusa.com/ (http://www.spieglerusa.com/)
Indeed GP, I've used Spiegler many times on other bikes! :thumbs:
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Nickel? Isn't all-black the (current) goal?
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I am in the "this bike has the best brakes ever" club. I am curious to see if there is a big improvement with after market brakes. I am subscribed and waiting to see.
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Jay, may I suggest getting the 330mm rotors. I think these even look better than those T-drives. I think you can get them in black or gold.
http://tinyurl.com/ofzv4zs (http://tinyurl.com/ofzv4zs)
If he had a Ducati......
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The brakes are fine, ZG is just Pimping , what about curb feelers , and a Tiger tail :stirpot:
https://www.denniskirk.com/493210.sku?utm_source=pricegrabber&utm_medium=cse (https://www.denniskirk.com/493210.sku?utm_source=pricegrabber&utm_medium=cse)
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The C10 forum is full of owners saying those are the best brakes ever- or these are more than adequate- or- They are fine -leave them alone. These same people must not have ridden a C10 with upgraded brakes with SS lines but they sure are quick to comment on ' what a waste big brake kits are' or 'no need for those' . I say the stock brakes on the C10 were not adequate ( A nice way to say stock brakes and lines pretty much sucked).
Here I see we have some C14 forum folks sounding just like they did.
Then there are folks like me- with a C10 that has upgraded 320 mm rotors (bigger than the C14) with 4pot calipers- H.H. pads and SS lines and one day I buy a C14 and say to myself:
'I am disappointed- these C14 brakes are not as good as my C10 brakes'. So I replace the pads and install SS lines- and take the bike to the Kawasaki shop to have the warped rotors replaced again under warranty. Yes they are now better but I think they could be even better with larger rotors.
I have not tried 330 rotors myself but I bet I would like them and for the cost of a few spacers,a few bolts that are longer for the calipers and $170 for a pair of Chinese Ebay 330mm rotors it justifies me trying it . I have not found a set in 330 yet. 320 yes
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-KAWASAKI-ZX14R-NINJA-ZZR-1400-06-10-07-08-09-/200713670916?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ebb779104&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-KAWASAKI-ZX14R-NINJA-ZZR-1400-06-10-07-08-09-/200713670916?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ebb779104&vxp=mtr)
I see a few others on the forum did install 330mm rotors. A 20mm increase in diameter is a lot. Please chime in- A waste of time and money or do you have better brakes and do you like them?
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Mike, I agree. We spend lots of money to go faster than the law allows but when it comes time to slow down it's a waste of money? When mine come due I'll upgrade rather than just replace.
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The C10 forum is full of owners saying those are the best brakes ever- or these are more than adequate- or- They are fine -leave them alone. These same people must not have ridden a C10 with upgraded brakes with SS lines but they sure are quick to comment on ' what a waste big brake kits are' or 'no need for those' . I say the stock brakes on the C10 were not adequate ( A nice way to say stock brakes and lines pretty much sucked).
Totally agree with the assessment of the C10 stock braking system. I see nothing wrong with the stock C14 brakes however I think that's all relative depending on what you came from.
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Ya know, I find this brake assessment a bit odd.
Almost every test review I've read about the C14 said they gave thumbs down to the C14 brakes.
Most hate the linked setup.
Many complain about how fast the stock front rotors warp.
No secret how many hits the C14's have taken about this issue.
So, now I'm hearing from some long-time owners how they feel the stock brakes are "the best".
I've owned my 2011 now since April 2012. Has almost 20,000 miles.
My personal opinion...
They're ok, and the linked setup doesn't bother me.
When I first bought it, since they were linked, I tried to stop it with just the brake lever, and only slight pedal. Within 3500 miles, the front rotors warped.
Since then, they are still warped, but I have found that using the brake pedal primarily, and adding the lever more towards the end of the stop has helped tremendously, and I've seen no more additional worsening in the warping condition. In fact, stopping using mostly pedal eliminates almost all the warped sensation. Brake pad wear still looks good, so no excessive pad wear has been noticed.
I would like to go with some Galfer rotors or the like, but can't believe how expensive brake rotors are for this bike.
Good to hear some like the Chinese rotors, but I won't be going that route due to past bad experiences with everything else they make.
Aside from the warping, I think the stock brakes are good on the C14.
Rotor problem would be the only thing I'd change.
Now, if I had the bucks...that Brembo setup Jay posted looks pretty sweet!
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The C10 forum is full of owners saying those are the best brakes ever- or these are more than adequate- or- They are fine -leave them alone. These same people must not have ridden a C10 with upgraded brakes with SS lines but they sure are quick to comment on ' what a waste big brake kits are' or 'no need for those' . I say the stock brakes on the C10 were not adequate ( A nice way to say stock brakes and lines pretty much sucked).
Here I see we have some C14 forum folks sounding just like they did.
Then there are folks like me- with a C10 that has upgraded 320 mm rotors (bigger than the C14) with 4pot calipers- H.H. pads and SS lines and one day I buy a C14 and say to myself:
'I am disappointed- these C14 brakes are not as good as my C10 brakes'. So I replace the pads and install SS lines- and take the bike to the Kawasaki shop to have the warped rotors replaced again under warranty. Yes they are now better but I think they could be even better with larger rotors.
I have not tried 330 rotors myself but I bet I would like them and for the cost of a few spacers,a few bolts that are longer for the calipers and $170 for a pair of Chinese Ebay 330mm rotors it justifies me trying it .
I see a few others on the forum did install 330mm rotors. A 20mm increase in diameter is a lot. Please chime in- A waste of time and money or do you have better brakes and do you like them?
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Thanks for that post Mike. :)
I'm not sure why but I sure seem to have quite a few haters on here lately, at least it feels that way to me. :(
Some folks seem to think I work for the government and am wasting "their" tax money or something... I work hard for my money and if I spend some of it on bike parts isn't that totally my choice? It's not like I'm on food stamps, or unemployment, or anything government funded and then just wasting my $ on bike stuff, it's 100% my $ that I spend. I'm sure there are many things other folks spend $ on that post up here that I don't spend $ on, and that's fine with me, it's your $. If you want to spend your own $ on crack, or gambling, or boats, or cars, or an $8 Starbucks coffee, etc, then go for it, it's your $ and who am I to judge you... All the negative posts and jabs on what I do to my bike or how I spend my $ is one of the reasons I spend less time on the forum lately. I would have thought that folks would want to know what is capable when it comes to upgrading or changing things up on the C14, but more often than not lately it seems I'm the odd ball out and that many just want to keep their bikes 100% stock, if that's the case then why is their an accessory section on this forum?
Sorry for the rant, my frustration with all the haters on here lately has been building... :1DeadBanana
To all of you non-haters, thanks for the help as always! :grouphug: :chugbeer:
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Ah, Jay, if they only knew... ;) ;D Not a hater...
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I'm not sure why but I sure seem to have quite a few haters on here lately, at least it feels that way to me.
Some folks seem to think I work for the government and am wasting "their" tax money or something... I work hard for my money and if I spend some of it on bike parts isn't that totally my choice? It's not like I'm on food stamps, or unemployment, or anything government funded and then just wasting my $ on bike stuff, it's 100% my $ that I spend. I'm sure there are many things other folks spend $ on that post up here that I don't spend $ on, and that's fine with me, it's your $. If you want to spend your own $ on crack, or gambling, or boats, or cars, or an $8 Starbucks coffee, etc, then go for it, it's your $ and who am I to judge you... All the negative posts and jabs on what I do to my bike or how I spend my $ is one of the reasons I spend less time on the forum lately. I would have thought that folks would want to know what is capable when it comes to upgrading or changing things up on the C14, but more often than not lately it seems I'm the odd ball out and that many just want to keep their bikes 100% stock, if that's the case then why is their an accessory section on this forum?
:finger_fing11: :chugbeer:
I appreciate your efforts and like seeing your bike. Your dedication to this bike is impressive I'm sure I will follow suit with some of your farkels and suspension choices. Seeing your posts and pics makes it easier for me to make these choices.
So thanks. :chugbeer:
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Jealousy makes people nasty....farkle on brother Jay!! Love the work and ideas!! :thumbs: :)
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Jealousy makes people nasty....farkle on brother Jay!! Love the work and ideas!! :thumbs: :)
+1, keep the farkling going....
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I'm not sure why but I sure seem to have quite a few haters on here lately, at least it feels that way to me.
Some folks seem to think I work for the government and am wasting "their" tax money or something... I work hard for my money and if I spend some of it on bike parts isn't that totally my choice? It's not like I'm on food stamps, or unemployment, or anything government funded and then just wasting my $ on bike stuff, it's 100% my $ that I spend. I'm sure there are many things other folks spend $ on that post up here that I don't spend $ on, and that's fine with me, it's your $. If you want to spend your own $ on crack, or gambling, or boats, or cars, or an $8 Starbucks coffee, etc, then go for it, it's your $ and who am I to judge you... All the negative posts and jabs on what I do to my bike or how I spend my $ is one of the reasons I spend less time on the forum lately. I would have thought that folks would want to know what is capable when it comes to upgrading or changing things up on the C14, but more often than not lately it seems I'm the odd ball out and that many just want to keep their bikes 100% stock, if that's the case then why is their an accessory section on this forum?
:finger_fing11: :chugbeer:
I appreciate your efforts and like seeing your bike. Your dedication to this bike is impressive I'm sure I will follow suit with some of your farkels and suspension choices. Seeing your posts and pics makes it easier for me to make these choices.
So thanks. :chugbeer:
I encourage odd balls here... :banana :banana :banana
There's always going to be someone that disagrees with something one says or what one does. It's human nature. Either attack it with humor or just ignore it. Jay does so many things with his bike that it's now considered a test platform and NASA has started conversations with him. I'm glad he does what he does and I'm glad he's here. I also appreciate the other members that contribute to these boards and make our forum what it is. ;D
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I appreciate your efforts and like seeing your bike. Your dedication to this bike is impressive I'm sure I will follow suit with some of your farkels and suspension choices. Seeing your posts and pics makes it easier for me to make these choices.
So thanks. :chugbeer:
Jealousy makes people nasty....farkle on brother Jay!! Love the work and ideas!! :thumbs: :)
+1, keep the farkling going....
I encourage odd balls here... :banana :banana :banana
There's always going to be someone that disagrees with something one says or what one does. It's human nature. Either attack it with humor or just ignore it. Jay does so many things with his bike that it's now considered a test platform and NASA has started conversations with him. I'm glad he does what he does and I'm glad he's here. I also appreciate the other members that contribute to these boards and make our forum what it is. ;D
:)
Thanks brutha's! :grouphug: :chugbeer:
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Good to hear some like the Chinese rotors, but I won't be going that route due to past bad experiences with everything else they make.
C14lvr - There are many of us now using the cheap ebay rotors. There has not been any complaints but instead praise. Most all rotors may very well all come from China anyway. They look and feel just like the expensive Galfer rotors. I have a set of 320mm on my C10 and my friend has a set on his ZX14. You cannot warp them. Trust me we have tried. There is no reason you should be riding around with warped rotors.
You can buy them in stock sizes but why would you? Buy the 320's. The spacers and longer bolts are readily available. If it doesn't work out then sell it on ebay and put your bike back to the way it is now but I think you will be pleased.
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:goodpost:
Thanks for that post Mike. :)
I'm not sure why but I sure seem to have quite a few haters on here lately, at least it feels that way to me. :(
Some folks seem to think I work for the government and am wasting "their" tax money or something... I work hard for my money and if I spend some of it on bike parts isn't that totally my choice? It's not like I'm on food stamps, or unemployment, or anything government funded and then just wasting my $ on bike stuff, it's 100% my $ that I spend. I'm sure there are many things other folks spend $ on that post up here that I don't spend $ on, and that's fine with me, it's your $. If you want to spend your own $ on crack, or gambling, or boats, or cars, or an $8 Starbucks coffee, etc, then go for it, it's your $ and who am I to judge you... All the negative posts and jabs on what I do to my bike or how I spend my $ is one of the reasons I spend less time on the forum lately. I would have thought that folks would want to know what is capable when it comes to upgrading or changing things up on the C14, but more often than not lately it seems I'm the odd ball out and that many just want to keep their bikes 100% stock, if that's the case then why is their an accessory section on this forum?
Sorry for the rant, my frustration with all the haters on here lately has been building... :1DeadBanana
To all of you non-haters, thanks for the help as always! :grouphug: :chugbeer:
Jay, ignore the naysayers; they are jealous. We all have hobbies and passions in life. If customizing your motorcycle to infinity makes you happy, so be it...
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Jay, ignore the naysayers; they are jealous. We all have hobbies and passions in life. If customizing your motorcycle to infinity makes you happy, so be it...
+1
I work hard at my career so I can do what I want, and early retirement and toys are a priority for me too.
The naysayers really want your bikes anyway (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/crybaby_sign.gif)
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Right, Steve. You just keep on thinking that. :rotflmao:
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:goodpost:
Thanks for that post Mike. :)
I'm not sure why but I sure seem to have quite a few haters on here lately, at least it feels that way to me. :(
Some folks seem to think I work for the government and am wasting "their" tax money or something... I work hard for my money and if I spend some of it on bike parts isn't that totally my choice? It's not like I'm on food stamps, or unemployment, or anything government funded and then just wasting my $ on bike stuff, it's 100% my $ that I spend. I'm sure there are many things other folks spend $ on that post up here that I don't spend $ on, and that's fine with me, it's your $. If you want to spend your own $ on crack, or gambling, or boats, or cars, or an $8 Starbucks coffee, etc, then go for it, it's your $ and who am I to judge you... All the negative posts and jabs on what I do to my bike or how I spend my $ is one of the reasons I spend less time on the forum lately. I would have thought that folks would want to know what is capable when it comes to upgrading or changing things up on the C14, but more often than not lately it seems I'm the odd ball out and that many just want to keep their bikes 100% stock, if that's the case then why is their an accessory section on this forum?
Sorry for the rant, my frustration with all the haters on here lately has been building... :1DeadBanana
To all of you non-haters, thanks for the help as always! :grouphug: :chugbeer:
Yes! Farkle on brother! Love seeing your pictures of the most blinged out C14 on the planet! :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana
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Jay, ignore the naysayers; they are jealous. We all have hobbies and passions in life. If customizing your motorcycle to infinity makes you happy, so be it...
+1
I work hard at my career so I can do what I want, and early retirement and toys are a priority for me too.
The naysayers really want your bikes anyway (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/crybaby_sign.gif)
Yes! Farkle on brother! Love seeing your pictures of the most blinged out C14 on the planet! :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana
:grouphug: :) :chugbeer:
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C14lvr - There are many of us now using the cheap ebay rotors. There has not been any complaints but instead praise. Most all rotors may very well all come from China anyway. They look and feel just like the expensive Galfer rotors. I have a set of 320mm on my C10 and my friend has a set on his ZX14. You cannot warp them. Trust me we have tried. There is no reason you should be riding around with warped rotors.
You can buy them in stock sizes but why would you? Buy the 320's. The spacers and longer bolts are readily available. If it doesn't work out then sell it on ebay and put your bike back to the way it is now but I think you will be pleased.
Great! Thanks, Mike.