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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Gumby on August 07, 2014, 09:41:32 AM
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If so which ABS sensor did you buy or did you fabricate something to make the existing one work?
2009 Concours part #21176-0075, has two flanges
http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b58cbf8700223e4796bf1/front-master-cylinder (http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b58cbf8700223e4796bf1/front-master-cylinder)
2010+ Concours part #21176-0130, has one flange
http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b8269f8700223e4799664/front-master-cylinder (http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b8269f8700223e4799664/front-master-cylinder)
2012 ZX14 #21176-0051, has two flanges
http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b9c89f8700223e479aa21/front-master-cylinder (http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b9c89f8700223e479aa21/front-master-cylinder)
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/OhlinsConcours001.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/OhlinsConcours001.jpg.html)
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/Gen1.png) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/Gen1.png.html)
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/Gen2.png) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/Gen2.png.html)
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It looks to be made for a Gen 1 Connie. Maybe you can have it replaced or use a Gen 1 sensor on your Gen 2 bike?
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Doh!
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It looks to be made for a Gen 1 Connie. Maybe you can have it replaced or use a Gen 1 sensor on your Gen 2 bike?
That is my plan right now is to replace the sensor. I need to know if the Gen 1 sensor works with a Gen 2 bike or if the ZX14R sensor would work with the Connie.
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Yet another reason the Gen 1 is far superior... ;) ;D :chugbeer:
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Yet another reason the Gen 1 is far superior... ;) ;D :chugbeer:
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Yet another reason the Gen 1 is far superior... ;) ;D :chugbeer:
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I do not know the answer with certainty but....
It sure looks like there are only two choices there, and the one that you need is the two flange type to fit the hole. As far as the electrical side, they are a two- wire sensor that I believe is a simple inductive type. So even if the connectors are not compatible with your bike, you should be able to use the connectors from your original sensors and splice them to the new, two- bolt sensors and it will work.
As a suggestion, you could always ask at your local dealer and see if any of the tech.'s there know if both sensor types have the same connector- if you, just grab the two- bolt sensor and you are done.
Brian
If so which ABS sensor did you buy or did you fabricate something to make the existing one work?
2009 Concours part #21176-0075, has two flanges
http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b58cbf8700223e4796bf1/front-master-cylinder (http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b58cbf8700223e4796bf1/front-master-cylinder)
2010+ Concours part #21176-0130, has one flange
http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b8269f8700223e4799664/front-master-cylinder (http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b8269f8700223e4799664/front-master-cylinder)
2012 ZX14 #21176-0051, has two flanges
http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b9c89f8700223e479aa21/front-master-cylinder (http://www.kawasakipartshouse.com/oemparts/a/kaw/500b9c89f8700223e479aa21/front-master-cylinder)
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/OhlinsConcours001.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/OhlinsConcours001.jpg.html)
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/Gen1.png) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/Gen1.png.html)
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/Gen2.png) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/Gen2.png.html)
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I guess the answer is NO , no one but your buddy who doesn't ride his ride would waste that kind of money to have GOLD forks, In the winter I'm going up to Traxxion in Ga. to have them install their AK 20 cartridge & Penske rear shock and let them install the right springs and set up.
The only thing superior about the first Gen bikes is the heat they feed the driver, when I installed the ZX headers I wrapped them to keep the gas tank COOL ... It worked.
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I guess the answer is NO , no one but your buddy who doesn't ride his ride would waste that kind of money to have GOLD forks,
:rotflmao:
I think I am going to buy a 2012 ZX14R sensor and hope it works. Report is forthcoming.
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Did Jay quit riding??
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Did Jay quit riding??
Jay rode!!!!!!!! :yikes:
I think I am going to buy a 2012 ZX14R sensor and hope it works. Report is forthcoming.
:popcorn:
Here's an 08/09 Sensor
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-KAWASAKI-RR-SPEED-SENSOR-ZG1400-21176-0098-21176-0076-NEW-/261091038246?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cca3d1426&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-KAWASAKI-RR-SPEED-SENSOR-ZG1400-21176-0098-21176-0076-NEW-/261091038246?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cca3d1426&vxp=mtr)
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Did Jay quit riding??
Nope, I've still got my Ohlins Chet, this is another set of Ohlins forks I found on ebay for only $1200. Win! :) :thumbs: :thumbs: :chugbeer:
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Nope, I've still got my Ohlins Chet, this is another set of Ohlins forks I found on ebay for only $1200. Win! :) :thumbs: :thumbs: :chugbeer:
I always meant to ask you how they perform and what's the difference with the OEMs. A write up, maybe?
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I always meant to ask you how they perform and what's the difference with the OEMs. A write up, maybe?
Here's my write up Martin...
OEM are good, Ohlins are better. :thumbs: :thumbs:
;D :chugbeer:
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The plugs are completely different. There is going to be no way to push the pins out. It looks like soldering is my only choice. I am worried though if I cut off my OEM plug if the thing will even work properly. What do you guys think? If I cut the wire and make my own can I still ride the bike with this warning on the display?
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/SAM_0376.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/SAM_0376.jpg.html)
2010 + plug
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/SAM_0373.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/SAM_0373.jpg.html)
2008 & 2009 plug
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I'd cut and solder, but that's me. It's your bike so you'll need to do what you feel comfortable doing.
As far as the ABS Warning, I'd say yes, you can ride, but you will not have ABS. Again, it will still be your choice to do so or not.
Now back to the sensors..... can you give us a better shot of what the pins look like? If so, we may be able to tell you how to remove them or someone may be able to make or get you the parts to make a short adapter harness.
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might help... http://www.cycleterminal.com/index.html (http://www.cycleterminal.com/index.html)
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I cannot tell what the wire colors are in one of the photos; do both sensors use black and white wires? If so, a cut, splice and shrink tubing cover will last two lifetimes.
Brian
The plugs are completely different. There is going to be no way to push the pins out. It looks like soldering is my only choice. I am worried though if I cut off my OEM plug if the thing will even work properly. What do you guys think? If I cut the wire and make my own can I still ride the bike with this warning on the display?
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/SAM_0376.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/SAM_0376.jpg.html)
2010 + plug
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/SAM_0373.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/SAM_0373.jpg.html)
2008 & 2009 plug
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/SAM_0369.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/SAM_0369.jpg.html)
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Can the plugs, male and female be found somewhere? If so, easier to make an adaptor then to cut and solder IMO.
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Can the plugs, male and female be found somewhere? If so, easier to make an adaptor then to cut and solder IMO.
Excellent idea, I had not thought about that. That way if it does not read properly I can easily put the OEM forks back on AGAIN :(
I will see if I can Source those today. Thanks Rhino.....
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You should rig something up real fast to see if the error goes away when connected to the 2009 sensor. Also, consider giving Ohlin a call. I bet they have a parts department.
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I cannot tell what the wire colors are in one of the photos; do both sensors use black and white wires? If so, a cut, splice and shrink tubing cover will last two lifetimes.
Brian
The 2010 + plug is completely sealed. That is why I am going to have to agree with you and John, which I really hate to do ;), the only option is to splice and solder. If it does not work I will have to buy a new stock ABS sensor cable :( or John should buy it for me because I seem to be doing some R & D for him as well. ;D
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I sent you an e-mail about this.
Brian
The 2010 + plug is completely sealed. That is why I am going to have to agree with you and John, which I really hate to do ;), the only option is to splice and solder. If it does not work I will have to buy a new stock ABS sensor cable :( or John should buy it for me because I seem to be doing some R & D for him as well. ;D
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The 2010 + plug is completely sealed.
With this being the case, I'd go with these prior suggestions:
Now back to the sensors..... can you give us a better shot of what the pins look like? If so, we may be able to tell you how to remove them or someone may be able to make or get you the parts to make a short adapter harness.
Can the plugs, male and female be found somewhere? If so, easier to make an adaptor then to cut and solder IMO.
On second thought, make two!!!! ;D
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Spliced an 09 rear sensor to the new 11 plug and got everything installed, but I still have the Error message. :'( I can remove the error message by holding the top button and hitting the bottom one on the dash but then I get to stare at a bunch of lights and my ABS & traction control is no longer functional. HELP! I was going to try and disconnect the battery last night and see if it resets, but I forgot cause it was my birthday and I was drinkin beer.
:chugbeer:
I will try that tonight, but does anybody have any other suggestions or idea why the splice would not work?
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/SAM_0376.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/SAM_0376.jpg.html)(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/SAM_0381.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/SAM_0381.jpg.html)
I also had to put my ugly stock fender back on until I buy a new ZX14 fender. The ZX10 fender and brackets I had on it will not work with the Ohlins.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/SAM_0390.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/SAM_0390.jpg.html)(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/SAM_0387.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/SAM_0387.jpg.html)(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/SAM_0384.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/SAM_0384.jpg.html)
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Any way to mechanically adapt a Gen 2 sensor to the 2 screw Gen 1 holes in the Ohlins? Like shave down the plastic on the sensor and mold it with liquid steel or fiberglass?
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Any way to mechanically adapt a Gen 2 sensor to the 2 screw Gen 1 holes in the Ohlins? Like shave down the plastic on the sensor and mold it with liquid steel or fiberglass?
I am sure there is a way to fab something up some how, just not quite sure how yet. Start throwing out ideas. As you can see these sensors are completely different.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/OhlinsConcours001.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/OhlinsConcours001.jpg.html)
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(http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/sreinschmidt/OhlinsConcours001_zps0e645cef.jpg)
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^^
If you shaped the plastic bracket properly with a Dremel, it would slip into the hole and not move. Then, you could re purpose the metal bracket from the Gen 1 to hold it all in place...
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An aluminum piece, drilled with center hole counter sunk and maybe slotted to allow it to fit over the sensor connection. Washers or spacer to set the proper depth on the sensor. Depends on how deep it has to go. You could cut the tab and shape it into a flange with a dremel.
(http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/sreinschmidt/ScreenShot2014-08-15at110915AM_zps8eeffed7.png)
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If you shaped the plastic bracket properly with a Dremel, it would slip into the hole and not move. Then, you could re purpose the metal bracket from the Gen 1 to hold it all in place...
What he said.
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If you shaped the plastic bracket properly with a Dremel, it would slip into the hole and not move. Then, you could re purpose the metal bracket from the Gen 1 to hold it all in place...
Hey Bill if you ever come out to pick up your windshield maybe you can take a look at this with me. :)
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:popcorn:
Some very good ideas folks! :thumbs: :thumbs:
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Hey Bill if you ever come out to pick up your windshield maybe you can take a look at this with me. :)
Haha, if my "kids" and their activities would ever give me an afternoon or weekend to come out there, I might. ;D
I'm contemplating a trip to Reno around the 25th of September, so I'll definitely make a trip out there before then...
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Haha, if my "kids" and their activities would ever give me an afternoon or weekend to come out there, I might. ;D
I'm contemplating a trip to Reno around the 25th of September, so I'll definitely make a trip out there before then...
Bill finally came out to the house to pick up his windscreen that he paid for back in May. He explained to me what he thought would work.
And here is what I did to get this to work:
1. Cut off the Gen 1 sensor that I had soldered on and put the Gen 2 sensor back on. (If you ever do this SKIP THIS STEP)
2. Pressed the Gen 1 sensor out of it's bracket.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/Gen1.png) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/Gen1.png.html)
3. Drill it out with a 27/64" drill bit.
4. Completely cut the three fins off of the Gen 2 sensor.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/Gen2.png) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/Gen2.png.html)
5. Cut the original Gen 2 bolt holder off following the contour as best you can. (I used a Dremel)
6. Press the Gen 2 sensor into the Gen 1 bracket.
7. Put sensor back onto Ohlins fork, DONE DEAL!
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Thanks Bill. :chugbeer:
Next step fabricate a new bracket for my ZX10 fender so I can take the Granny panties/OEM fender back off and show some more GOLD. ;D
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Nicely done! Congrats!
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:thumbs: :thumbs: :chugbeer:
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I am really surprised that either sensor would not work with the bike. I just thought of it but any change the sensor was not sticking through the fork mount far enough to sense the timing wheel?
Anyway, glad to hear you got it sorted out and everything works.
Brian
Bill finally came out to the house to pick up his windscreen that he paid for back in May. He explained to me what he thought would work.
And here is what I did to get this to work:
<snip mechanics>
7. Put sensor back onto Ohlins fork, DONE DEAL!
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/SAM_0398.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/SAM_0398.jpg.html)
Thanks Bill. :chugbeer:
Next step fabricate a new bracket for my ZX10 fender so I can take the Granny panties/OEM fender back off and show some more GOLD. ;D
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/Rails/IMG_4232.jpg) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/Rails/IMG_4232.jpg.html)
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I am really surprised that either sensor would not work with the bike. I just thought of it but any change the sensor was not sticking through the fork mount far enough to sense the timing wheel?
Anyway, glad to hear you got it sorted out and everything works.
Brian
My '11 did not like the Gen 1 sensor from the get go, at start up the KTRC error screen was on. So that was my first test when I soldered the original sensor back on. I plugged it in before mounting and started the bike, cha ching, NO error screen. I was worried about the spacing with the Gen 1 bracket on the Ohlins so after I got everything mounted my second test was a very spirited rip through the country side. Still NO error screen. I was a very happy man last night.
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My '11 did not like the Gen 1 sensor from the get go, at start up the KTRC error screen was on. So that was my first test when I soldered the original sensor back on. I plugged it in before mounting and started the bike, cha ching, NO error screen. I was worried about the spacing with the Gen 1 bracket on the Ohlins so after I got everything mounted my second test was a very spirited rip through the country side. Still NO error screen. I was a very happy man last night.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/emoticons/woohoo.gif) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/emoticons/woohoo.gif.html)
Time for: :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana :banana
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Yep, that sounds like pretty sure proof to me. Odd that they changed the sensor. ?? Thanks for taking one for the team though- now we all know.
Brian
My '11 did not like the Gen 1 sensor from the get go, at start up the KTRC error screen was on. So that was my first test when I soldered the original sensor back on. I plugged it in before mounting and started the bike, cha ching, NO error screen. I was worried about the spacing with the Gen 1 bracket on the Ohlins so after I got everything mounted my second test was a very spirited rip through the country side. Still NO error screen. I was a very happy man last night.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll112/tomdvaughan/emoticons/woohoo.gif) (http://s286.photobucket.com/user/tomdvaughan/media/emoticons/woohoo.gif.html)
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Yep, that sounds like pretty sure proof to me. Odd that they changed the sensor. ?? Thanks for taking one for the team though- now we all know.
Brian
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Nice job!!!! :chugbeer: