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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Son of Pappy on June 14, 2011, 03:43:50 PM

Title: Shoei X12
Post by: Son of Pappy on June 14, 2011, 03:43:50 PM
If you could get a new one (or more) for $150+shipping would you?  For you MSF folks this is the current deal, they are also offering range lids for $80 a pop-yep, X12s for the range.
So, would you get one even if you didnt need a new helmet?  I'm seriously considering getting 2, one for now, one for later.  I just checked the RETSORG Site and they aren't listed yet so I have a little time before I decide, so i am enlisting COGDOM to help me make my decision ;)
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: Son of Pappy on June 14, 2011, 04:12:44 PM
Helmet X12-Dark Grey-XL $120.00 2 $240.00
Handling     $0.00
     -------------------
SUB-TOTAL     $240.00
     
Shipping Estimate     $11.88
Tax     $0.00
     -------------------
ORDER TOTAL     $251.88
     
Ship By     UPS-Ground
Too late, as noted above, I just couldnt resist.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: CrashGordon on June 14, 2011, 04:30:09 PM
Would I buy a $600+ helmet for $150 plus shipping if I could?  Hell yes! I'd by five and have my helmet needs met for several years.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: Behindbars on June 14, 2011, 05:52:18 PM
Where do you get these?
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: SimonSaysDie on June 14, 2011, 06:13:55 PM
Is the source a secret?  You can't drop that price and not say anything.  The world wants to know!
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: Gsun on June 14, 2011, 06:19:52 PM
Where do you get these?

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: Son of Pappy on June 14, 2011, 09:06:55 PM
Let me first apologize-I should have been a little clearer, this deal is for MSF Rider Coaches only.  The deal even gets sweater if you run a school-only $80, can you see a bunch of students in the X12?  What a great message that would be.  The only bummer I see is they were out of XL in white, so I settled ( ;)) on the dark grey one.  If anyone knows a Rider Coach, let em know, if they have any issues ordering them, drop me a PM, seems there is a glitch in the system, MSF sent out instructions, but things can get lost in the traffic as they say.  Guess I'll be using my Icon Variant for DS use, it was starting to leak a little hear and there.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: chi-gpz1100 on June 14, 2011, 09:14:41 PM
If it's anything like the x11, expect it to be loud.  The more holes a helmet has, the louder it is.  However, if you ride with ear plugs, all is well.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: Vic Salisbury on June 15, 2011, 07:50:00 AM
yep, these are not open for the general public. Availabel to MSF RiderCoaches and training programs.
Not to be re-sold, so don't even ask for a hook-up.  :)
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: cablebandit on June 16, 2011, 08:42:55 AM
I was planning to get a Shoei Quest as my next helmet.  I wonder if I'd be better off getting in on this deal and if I hate it unload it and get the Quest down the road.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: ssmith on June 16, 2011, 01:24:52 PM
I was planning to get a Shoei Quest as my next helmet.  I wonder if I'd be better off getting in on this deal and if I hate it unload it and get the Quest down the road.

<snip> Not to be re-sold
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: Son of Pappy on June 16, 2011, 01:47:00 PM
Intent Steve, intent.  I'd be all over him if he was buying to resell, but even a $50 dollar helmet that doesnt fit aint worth keeping in the closet.  I'd rather see someone use it then gather dust, I'd bet you feel the same.
Say a thousand times, S.E.E., apologize to the gentleman and throw in a complimentary wink ;)

Chet
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: ssmith on June 17, 2011, 08:11:31 PM
Intent Steve, intent.  I'd be all over him if he was buying to resell, but even a $50 dollar helmet that doesnt fit aint worth keeping in the closet.  I'd rather see someone use it then gather dust, I'd bet you feel the same.
Say a thousand times, S.E.E., apologize to the gentleman and throw in a complimentary wink ;)

Chet

I don't feel the same way. Intent removed, it's the perception and the reality that there are some out there that might do are doing things that may be jeopardizing what was supposed to be a closed offer to the RC community.  Just my $0.02

Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: Son of Pappy on June 19, 2011, 01:12:30 AM
From MSF
"It has come to our attention that some RiderCoaches have already approached retailers in an attempt to exchange Shoei X12 helmets for other sizes and/or colors. This activity must stop. If the size or color you desire is not available through the special offer do not place an order. Do not ask retailers to exchange helmets. Such a request is an affront to their business and can have a negative impact on their willingness to support rider education with loan machines, safety gear and other precious resources in the future. Shoei retailers have very specific guidelines on advertising and retail pricing; any discounting beyond Shoei's policy can cost a retailer their authorization to sell Shoei helmets.

Additionally it has come to our attention that at least one RiderCoach or Site Sponsor has offered these helmets for sale on eBay.

Unfortunately we will now have to monitor eBay and other sales channels.

This special purchasing program was intended to provide RiderCoaches a rare opportunity to get a great deal on a high quality helmet as a thank you from Shoei and the MSF. Reselling the helmets is not just a shameful action that violates the terms and conditions of the offer, but puts the offer in jeopardy for all. This offer is a protected sale. Any activity that violates the terms and conditions of this special offer and imperils the long term support of rider education will result in this offer being withdrawn.

These helmets shall not be sold, bartered, or exchanged. They are intended for personal use by MSF Certified RiderCoaches, or to be made available to students at MSF Recognized training sites. Any abuse of this offer is a violation of the MSF RiderCoach Rules of Professional Conduct and/or the MSF RERP Agreement. Violations of the Rules of Professional Conduct and/or the RERP Agreement will place them in serious jeopardy. "

So, that clears everything up.  No questions there.  So, cablebandit, I sure hope fraud wasnt your intent, IF it was shame on you, if it wasnt, I'd follow Steves advice, perception carries alot of weight.  Maybe I've been a little sheltered, I never expected to see this kinda response from the MSF community.  Shamefull to say the least.  (Not meaning Cablebandit, those who have been proven to violate the trust)
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: cablebandit on June 20, 2011, 08:29:17 AM
Yeah I've seen this email as well.  I can't believe people would actually go to a dealership to exchange the sizes. 

I spent most of Saturday going to every dealership within 2 hours of here to try and even find an X12 to try on for size.  Nobody has them.  The few dealers that even carry Shoei anymore only stock the Multitec and Quest.  I've worn size Medium Shoei's for 20 years, however the new Quest in size medium barely fits on my melon.  The large fits like a glove and my wifes large RF1100 fits well also.  So I guess I should just take a gamble and get the large X12 and hope it fits. 

Oh, to all you that have taken shots at me, do you really think I'm dumb enough to come on the internet and tell you how I plan to get over on MSF for personal gain?  At no point did I say I was going to sell anything.  Sheesh!  >:(
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: CrashGordon on June 20, 2011, 09:42:23 AM

I spent most of Saturday going to every dealership within 2 hours of here to try and even find an X12 to try on for size.  Nobody has them.  The few dealers that even carry Shoei anymore only stock the Multitec and Quest.

I have the opposite problem. I'd love to try on a Qwest, but no one here stocks them. The local Cycle Gear has a wall full of X12s and RF-1100s in all sizes and colors, but not a single Qwest in the whole store. Same story for the local Yamaha, Honda and Kawasaki dealers.

So if you have Cycle Gear nearby, give them a call.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: mikeboileau on June 20, 2011, 09:45:25 AM
Tease!

 ;D
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: Son of Pappy on July 15, 2011, 11:24:00 AM
So, I got my new X12s in 2 days ago, nice lids, headset fit in really nicely, and fits great.  All I need to do is install a fog city insert and I'm golden.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: OregonLAN on July 15, 2011, 02:55:31 PM
I have the opposite problem. I'd love to try on a Qwest, but no one here stocks them. The local Cycle Gear has a wall full of X12s and RF-1100s in all sizes and colors, but not a single Qwest in the whole store. Same story for the local Yamaha, Honda and Kawasaki dealers.

So if you have Cycle Gear nearby, give them a call.

Personally, I'd pay a little extra and buy the RF-1100 anyways. It's the same basic fit but includes a removable headliner. The Qwest doesn't have a removable headliner.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: CrashGordon on July 15, 2011, 03:33:12 PM
Personally, I'd pay a little extra and buy the RF-1100 anyways. It's the same basic fit but includes a removable headliner. The Qwest doesn't have a removable headliner.
I've never taken the liner out of any helmet I've ever worn. And every review I've read has just raved about the Qwest. Webbikeworld rates the Qwest both lighter and quieter than the RF-1100. Add in cheaper and I'm in--if I could try one on that is. >:(
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: OregonLAN on July 15, 2011, 04:32:54 PM
Well, I wash and replace my liner on occasion. So, if the non-removable/replaceable headliner doesn't bother you, more power to ya'.

As for comfort and weight, they are nearly identical. I WOULD say the Qwest is a bit more comfortable but primarily because the cheek pads on the RF are a little tight. Noise levels are subjective.

Don't get me wrong, both helmets are good. However, I have an inexpensive ($100.00) HJC that came with removable liners and a free pinlock windshield. You'd think that Shoei would have included cheap plastic snaps into their ~$350.00 helmets instead of securing the liner with crappy double sided tape...

FYIY, You might also want to check out the new Bell RS-1. Cost wise, it's on par with the Qwest. However, the build quality, ventilation and comfort are much better. Also, the additional transition shield puts the RS-1 in a class of its own.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: CrashGordon on July 15, 2011, 04:58:57 PM
I've actually been looking at the RS-1 for all of those reasons you listed--particularly the transition shield. The shield isn't widely available yet, but when it is I'm definitely going to check it out.

I've been washing my liners in the helmet for years. The helmet makes a good basin for Woolite and water--no removal necessary. Just takes a little longer to dry.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: IRULE on July 15, 2011, 06:28:38 PM
Son of Pappy, someone reported you to MSF.  They are saying that this is an inside deal - for insturctors and sponsors ONLY!

You shouldn't of telling everyone on the world that we are getting a deal for X12, your could kill the sale of X12 for Shoei.

You should look at the MSF forum about the rules.

...I'm just kidding about someone reported you, but you really shouldn't say anything about this.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: cablebandit on July 15, 2011, 06:51:55 PM
Well then don't tell them about all the free shirts and hats.  :D  I wish my X-12 would get here soon.  They didn't waste any time charging for it even though they didn't even have the helmets in hand.
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: ssmith on July 15, 2011, 08:51:32 PM
Well then don't tell them about all the free shirts and hats.  :D  I wish my X-12 would get here soon.  They didn't waste any time charging for it even though they didn't even have the helmets in hand.

+1. Still waiting too.

Unfortunately they seem too busy checking up on orders that appear less than honorable. An RC I know got a phone call to explain why he ordered 2 different sizes.

Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: IRULE on July 15, 2011, 09:41:54 PM
Different sizes for the wife!
Title: Re: Shoei X12
Post by: Son of Pappy on July 18, 2011, 03:11:06 PM
Awe shucks, I see it as advertising that MSF cares about the RCs. 

First real ride with the helmet today, mid 50's so I had to close up the vents, it felt like a mini wind tunnel, so those work really well.  Wind noise was quite low and the aero dynamics are awesome.  I really do like this lid, but I dont know if I would've ever plunked down the MSRP.  Glad I ordered 2 of them, one will stay in the box untill I need a new helmet or I may make it my photo helmet, put a pair of cameras on it, one forward, one rear.