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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: martin_14 on May 26, 2014, 06:03:36 AM
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Fact #1: I need more light. My eyes are getting strained enough at the office.
Fact #2: TÜV allows very, very little latitude in terms of what's legal and what not, and they do check.
The only (legal) possibility in Germany then is to fit brighter bulbs. I know that they last a lot less and cost 2-3 times more, but I need the improvement and I don't mind changing them twice a year if needed, so I wanted to check with you guys if you have any experience with these type of bulbs. I read in another thread that the do they offer more output, but what about life span? My bike has 50k miles and I changed so far only 1 main bulb with another stock H4, nothing fancy.
Well, to be honest, my dealer did the changing, so here comes the second question: how much of a pain it is to change the H4 on the headlight?
Thanks in advance, Martín
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so I wanted to check with you guys if you have any experience with these type of bulbs.
Yes. The claims they make about "100% more light" and such is just outright, non-scientific, marketing lies. I do believe they are better, but if I had to place a number on it, I would say more like 15%. A lot of it is just an illusion because they dye the glass blue (for the low-beam only) to make it appear to look more like HID. Now, is it worth the effort and expense? That depends on who is being asked. I thought it was a reasonable upgrade, myself. But I also had low expectations. I would buy them again.
how much of a pain it is to change the H4 on the headlight?
It is extremely easy and can be done through the dash opening without removing anything. Supposedly they do have a lower life, but they are cheap enough and easy to replace. Plus the Concours has dual low-beam bulbs, so if one blows it is not a major issue before you can replace it.
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thanks! :thumbs:
I just ordered them. They usually cost 19€ each (about 26 USD) but there was an offer in Amazon with only a few boxes (2x pack) left and I grabbed the last one for 21€ (28.60 USD). They should be here on Wednesday and I'll install them right away, but not before a pic of the beam, and another picture after the install as well, so I can compare.
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I just ordered them. They usually cost 19€ each (about 26 USD) but there was an offer in Amazon with only a few boxes (2x pack) left and I grabbed the last one for 21€ (28.60 USD).
Well, $28 is a LOT less than what I paid, so you should be extra happy :)
They should be here on Wednesday and I'll install them right away, but not before a pic of the beam, and another picture after the install as well, so I can compare.
What I didn't do but should have done was to replace *ONE* of the bulbs. Then comparison is easy because you can shine on a building and just use a piece of cardboard to cover one, then the other, back and forth. There is significant beam overlap, so trying to tell without covering one will be difficult or impossible. Don't let the color temperature fool you :) If it does- just switch to high beam for the comparison, since they don't tint that.
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I agree - they are definitely a worthy upgrade. With OEM bulbs I did not feel safe traveling faster than 50-55 mph at night. The H4's seemingly double the light intensity. The process of changing the bulbs is easy, especially if you have Fred Harmon's video instructions to follow.
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I agree - they are definitely a worthy upgrade. With OEM bulbs I did not feel safe traveling faster than 50-55 mph at night. The H4's seemingly double the light intensity. The process of changing the bulbs is easy, especially if you have Fred Harmon's video instructions to follow.
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I agree with you that the percentage stated seems like a true salesman statistic (read: lie) but in this particular case, it is a scientifically quantified, perfectly documented and calculated..... misleading statistic :-) I cannot remember how it is calculated but the percentage of light output increase is at a long distance and w/in something like 15% of the 'hotspot' of the center of the beam. So in fact, that IS actually doubled in the case of 100% light bulbs ratings but the bulb of course does not put out 100% more light overall.
But to be fair, I have say that the perceived brightness of headlights is suspect at best and downright wrong at worst anyway. We base the 'brightness' on the light reflected to the eye by the surrounding countryside, which is not what we care about in the first place. And in fact, it actually detracts from what we really want, which is downrange illumination. So really good headlights will put a lot of light on top of the road, a long way out, and if there is nothing there there will be no light reflected and we perceive that is 'poor lighting'.
One of problems with HID lighting, especially in non- HID reflectors, is that there is so much light on things like street signs that our down range visibility is actually damaged by our pupils closing from reflected light. I know some highway signs are actually a bit painful as I pass them and that absolutely hurts my real night vision of that forrest- rat standing 400 yards down the road.
Brian
Yes. The claims they make about "100% more light" and such is just outright, non-scientific, marketing lies. I do believe they are better, but if I had to place a number on it, I would say more like 15%. A lot of it is just an illusion because they dye the glass blue (for the low-beam only) to make it appear to look more like HID. Now, is it worth the effort and expense? That depends on who is being asked. I thought it was a reasonable upgrade, myself. But I also had low expectations. I would buy them again.
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Playing with bulbs is a waste of time. Some have over driven filamits that don't last long. I had a silverstar bulb that gave up the ghost 20 secs before a local sherriff and he pulled me over (he let me ride back home in the dark as I lived about 1/2 mile away from where I got pulled over).
Try this:
Measure the voltage coming out of your bulb plug; you might be surprised.
On my '91 katana 1100, I measured under 10v! The bike had real skinny wire (22g?) and there was a huge drop in voltage. I rigged up some relays and 12g wire (power coming from battery) and with bike running, got a little over 13v at the plug!
This made a for huge, huge increase in light.
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I think you will like them compared to stock. Keep an extra on the bike because they will burn out.
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A real world metric is to drive only only to an internal speed limit such that you can brake to a stop if something appears at the end of your viewing distance at night with the headlights. The OEMs do not project far and I had to use other vehicle lights to "see beyond 55 mph." With the H4 I can go 80 mph at night with no worries about being able to see far enough down field.
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One of problems with HID lighting, especially in non- HID reflectors, is that there is so much light on things like street signs that our down range visibility is actually damaged by our pupils closing from reflected light. I know some highway signs are actually a bit painful as I pass them and that absolutely hurts my real night vision of that forrest- rat standing 400 yards down the road.
Yep. I am blinded by signs now. There is a lot more light with the HID conversions, but they are mostly not *USEFUL* light. This is why I was disappointed with the outcome of the conversion. Still an improvement, but nowhere near what I had hoped for. And compared to the G37 HID projectors, it is utter crap.
Someday there should be a professional/quality LED projector setup and I might consider a switch to something like that if it isn't too overly complex.
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Yep. I am blinded by signs now. There is a lot more light with the HID conversions, but they are mostly not *USEFUL* light. This is why I was disappointed with the outcome of the conversion. Still an improvement, but nowhere near what I had hoped for. And compared to the G37 HID projectors, it is utter crap.
Someday there should be a professional/quality LED projector setup and I might consider a switch to something like that if it isn't too overly complex.
Www.theretrofitsource.com (http://Www.theretrofitsource.com)
Www.HIDPlanet.com (http://Www.HIDPlanet.com)
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a few comments on the comments here:
- regarding Brian's or Maxtog's comment on the output increase not being 100%, that's difficult to measure for us without the proper equipment. A bulb might put out twice the light, but that light will then have to be perceived by our (human) eyes, which like hearing, is logarithmic, meaning that doubling the output of light will mean a mere 30% increase in the perceived illumination.
- regarding the traffic and other signs reflecting and actually decreasing the actual vision (because the pupil closes when looking at those bright signs): German streets are also called Xmas trees because of the fanatic overuse of signals. This (http://www.wz-newsline.de/polopoly_fs/1.1134239.1351017506!/httpImage/onlineImage.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_300/onlineImage.jpg) is a corner close to where my girlfriend lives, and it's nothing extraordinary. I've seen much, much worse.
- about keeping a spare: I'll probably keep my stock bulbs as spare ;) unless I'm so thrilled by the new bulbs that I feel like buying more of them.
- about the quality of the C14's headlights: I think they are great, specially compared with my previous R1200RT, which was down right dangerous to drive at night. But then there's the K1600 GT, which is amazing and the reason why I got spoiled and started feeling "underpowered" light-wise on the Kawasaki.
I've always been tempted to put a pair of NiteCore TM26 (http://www.nitecore.com/productDetail.aspx?id=75#.U4Rtzig3CYQ) or similar and see what's what... Obviously the reflector is totally inappropriate, but still... maybe with a proper switch on the handlebar for temporary activation only...
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Just think, I bet someday bikes will have the capability to sense a rectangular object reflecting light back to the rider's eyes above # lumens, including identifying which forward sector the object is located in at any given moment, and then the circuitry will briefly reduce the light being emitted in each sector the object passes thru as the bike passes by the reflective object 8)
Maybe auto darkening welding face shield technology could be used.
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How about someone try these and let us know what you think.
I think with these new bright LEDS HID may become obsolete. I have been using HID's for a long but the bulbs do wear out and the ballasts die.
http://tinyurl.com/kghjcxu (http://tinyurl.com/kghjcxu)
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Maybe auto darkening welding face shield technology could be used.
Make it so....I want one
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How about someone try these and let us know what you think.
I think with these new bright LEDS HID may become obsolete. I have been using HID's for a long but the bulbs do wear out and the ballasts die
The big problem is not the lamp technology, but the fact that the retro-fits just don't work well in headlights designed to use H4 bulbs. I am sure there is a good deal of variance from one design to another, but I think what is lacking is the projector technology so the light can be formed and placed better. Of course LED will eventually replace HID- it has a lot of advantages, the only big three disadvantages have been brightness (which is mostly overcome now), price (which is quickly becoming a non-issue), and heat management (which is still a big one).
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The big problem is not the lamp technology, but the fact that the retro-fits just don't work well in headlights designed to use H4 bulbs. I am sure there is a good deal of variance from one design to another, but I think what is lacking is the projector technology so the light can be formed and placed better. Of course LED will eventually replace HID- it has a lot of advantages, the only big three disadvantages have been brightness (which is mostly overcome now), price (which is quickly becoming a non-issue), and heat management (which is still a big one).
They came today. I got them at a good price. ~$55
Now which bike- C14 or the C10 should I try these on?
(http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab75/madpb/bulb_zpsa5cefc99.jpg) (http://s851.photobucket.com/user/madpb/media/bulb_zpsa5cefc99.jpg.html)
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Why the C14 of course! ;D
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They came today. I got them at a good price. ~$55
Now which bike- C14 or the C10 should I try these on?
(http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab75/madpb/bulb_zpsa5cefc99.jpg) (http://s851.photobucket.com/user/madpb/media/bulb_zpsa5cefc99.jpg.html)
hopefully the C14~
hope they work out. curious to know if the 2400 lumens will be properly dispersed from our C14 reflector
if the LED heat is going to be an issue
if the 6000 is really 6000
and most importantly if you're happy with them on the C14.
I've been to CREE's campus at Research Triangle Park in Raleigh, NC. They're awesome!
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hope they work out. curious to know if the 2400 lumens will be properly dispersed from our C14 reflector
That is the biggest question
if the LED heat is going to be an issue
Yep, another big question... but that might take months to know. Plus there is a fan to fail/clog.
if the 6000 is really 6000
6000K is not a great color temperature... too blue. 4300K or so is much better/normal. It is not only the approved factory color for HID systems, it is also the color of normal daylight. Anything above that looks cheap/fake/riced out/wanna-be/aftermarket stuff to me.... but there is far worse out there than 6000K. LED's are notoriously blue ranged in the higher outputs, so finding something better might be a challenge.
I've been to CREE's campus at Research Triangle Park in Raleigh, NC. They're awesome!
CREE really is a great name, but all they do is make the LED chips (at least in this application). The rest of the design of that thing has nothing to do with them, unfortunately. Very curious about these (and others like it).
[This really should be a different thread, since it has nothing to do with Philips H4 X-treme Vision bulbs.]
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Bought these......... all good!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120915175632?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/120915175632?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649)
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this is annoying: I have these nice looking H4 seating on my desk at home waiting to be installed, but the sun insists on getting out earlier than me, and going down later than me. Here in the south of Germany there's basically daylight from 5 am to 10 pm (Munich is even more far up north than Seattle), which completely denies the purpose of increasing my vision at night while driving, since there's virtually no night right now >:(
So, they'll stay where they are until darker times come.
Sigh.
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The Darkness always comes.
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Coming from a single his bulbed 6" headlight cruiser ... The stock high beam is flipping awesome Lol however always room for improvement . I did notice that his conversion kits always seem to scatter the light. Thus I have been pretty interested in led bulbs
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Winter came, summer time adjustment done, and it's dark both when I go to work and when I get out. So finally the super duper X-Treme Vision found their way in my headlights. As many said, swapping them was swift and uneventful. I didn't even have to re-aim the lights; maybe I'll have to adjust the lateral aim on the left a bit, though.
Veredict: improvement. How much? I don't know. But as I said before, a 100% increase in output amounts for about 30% more perceived light, and I would concur with that. Oncoming cars haven't flashed me in protest so far, and German drivers are very... how could I say it... demonstrative when they don't like something. However, cars driving in front of me seem to acknowledge my presence more easily.
One thing that surprised me is the softer cut off from the illuminated area to the non illuminated. It's less "offending" or drastic, specially noticeable in the curves, which is welcomed.
A point in which I'd like to improve the style of the thing is the dissimilar color of the main lights compared with the two little, 5W lights in the nose of the bike. The OEM bulbs in the headlights were already whiter than the little lights, but the Philips are much whiter yet, so it looks odd for me and I'd like to improve that. Are there other, whiter 5W bulbs to mount there?
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Let us know how long they last. I haven't had much luck with better brighter light bulbs. They work but they don't last long and as I don't do a lot of night riding it doesn't make any sense for me to use them.
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I will. My original bulbs have stood well. One burned out after 30 000 miles, but the left one is still the original, with 55 000 miles. I'll be perfectly happy if these brighter replacements last a season. I don't mind spending 20€ / 26 USD for a new pair every year, to be honest, given the improved visibility.
Yesterday I rode outside the city through very dark roads and these bulbs really light things up. I remembered what Max mentioned about turning the sides of the road into a Xmas tree with the reflection on the road signs, but these don't do that, so I'm extra satisfied. And on-coming drivers never complained, while drivers in front of me seem more willing to let me pass.
Well spent money, me thinks. And legal, which in Germany is a very narrow corridor.
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Could someone provide me a link to these Cree bulbs? I've searched but can't seem to find them...only finding the halogen ones. I would like to give them a try considering the price.
Thanks
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Could someone provide me a link to these Cree bulbs? I've searched but can't seem to find them...only finding the halogen ones. I would like to give them a try considering the price.
Thanks
what do you mean by "Cree bulbs"? ???
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I mean a link to the Philips xtreme cree led headlight bulbs, as pictured above. the poster mentions purchasing on amazon but I can't find them. Thanks.
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I mean a link to the Philips xtreme cree led headlight bulbs, as pictured above. the poster mentions purchasing on amazon but I can't find them. Thanks.
This thread contains information about two different things. First the main topic- the Philips x-treme halogen bulbs. Then mention of a no-name brand of LED bulb that claims to use a Cree produced LED chip. You are mixing the two.
Post 14 contained the URL you want: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261487513681?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261487513681?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
I probably should split the thread into two separate ones, but there probably hasn't been enough activity to justify it.... yet. I was very curious about how the product worked out, but there was never an update from Daytona_Mike except that he got them.
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I had a similar set...ferociously bright, but (predictably) the reflectors and the LEDs are not a good match. This means the light is not well focused, and I could not see as well as I now do with Sylvania's brightest incandescents.
I had occasion to install the pair of Sylvanias in the middle of the night during the Big Tex Rally a few weeks ago. One LED blew, and I had just replaced the other a few days earlier as I prepared to leave for the rally. So I am flying along in the middle of Texas, in the VERY darkness, and it occurred to me that if the other LED failed, that might be very very bad.
Time for a handy truck stop for fuel, some Arby's roast beast, and two headlight bulbs installed by Braille. I was probably stopped for all of 20 minutes, including adding more warm clothes, bathroom break, cleaning up, everything.
The difference between one LED and two incandescents was stunning. It was a lot more than two instead of one. The quality of the light pattern was so much better.
I LIKE the idea of LED headlights. A lot. But the reflectors have to match the LEDs. So far, no match.
saxman
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P.S. The Sylvanias are essentially the same thing as the Philips top of the line incandescents.
I paid $54.50 with tax for my pair, like full retail. IT WAS WORTH IT.
My speed average for the full 80 hours of the rally tells me I was making *pretty good time* whether it was light or dark out. I was A LOT more comfortable at speed with the Sylvanias.
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Cree is the manufacturer, Martin. It's a major supplier of LEDs over here.
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I mean a link to the Philips xtreme cree led headlight bulbs, as pictured above. the poster mentions purchasing on amazon but I can't find them. Thanks.
Amazon sells the Philips bulbs, so does Murph. (Murph's is a bit less expensive and has free shipping)
http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B007K6E51W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415101849&sr=8-1&keywords=Philips+Vision%2B100+X-treme+H4+Bulbs (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B007K6E51W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415101849&sr=8-1&keywords=Philips+Vision%2B100+X-treme+H4+Bulbs)
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=130_137&products_id=304 (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=130_137&products_id=304)
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Cree is the manufacturer, Martin. It's a major supplier of LEDs over here.
I know, I know... :) I have a Fenix PD30 in my pocket right now, and the manufacturer of the LED is Cree, like about 30% of the LED flashlights nowadays.
What I didn't understand was the question about the "LED bulbs", since an LED has no incandescent filament, and it gave me the impression that the poster mixed up my posts about the Philips bulbs and the Cree LEDs somebody brought up. But Max cleared that up anyway.
@Conrad: the price from Murph's seems right. At the moment in Amazon Germany those bulbs cost 21€/pair (26.20 U$D). I was lucky and got an offer for 19€ (24 U$D), but I'd pay 30€ (37 U$D) now that I saw the light ;D
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Ah. Sorry, I didn't realize that the picture posted was not the Philips bulbs. I missed that!
So Martin - seems like you are liking the Philips bulbs. I might try a set, for the price if I don't like them its not a huge waste. One question, notice any more heat on the wiring harness? I had a zzr and replaced the bulb with a higher wattage one and after a year the extra heat had melted the plug on the harness!
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Ah. Sorry, I didn't realize that the picture posted was not the Philips bulbs. I missed that!
So Martin - seems like you are liking the Philips bulbs. I might try a set, for the price if I don't like them its not a huge waste. One question, notice any more heat on the wiring harness? I had a zzr and replaced the bulb with a higher wattage one and after a year the extra heat had melted the plug on the harness!
I used the X-treme Vision for over a year with no problems. Others here much longer. Also, they are stock wattage.
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yeap, they are still 55/60 Watts so they shouldn't affect the wiring, but now that you mention it I'll keep an eye on it.
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Power Bulps has these on sale for 28.88 free shipping
plus a free OSRAM W5W
us code FOS25 for 25% off
not sure how long the sale is
http://www.powerbulbs.com/us/store/category/philips-x-treme-vision-130/fitting/h4-472 (http://www.powerbulbs.com/us/store/category/philips-x-treme-vision-130/fitting/h4-472)
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Old thread revived.
So, I've had these bulbs since the bike had 79600 km (49440 miles) and I've been really satisfied with the extra light they provide. I paid around 25USD for the pair. That was in May 2014.
Yesterday, after 26 000 km (16 150 miles) the right one finally gave up. I'll be changing it the next couple of days, and I'll be fitting the same thing. There's always the obvious trade off in light output vs life span in this type of bulbs; my experience has been that I had already changed the OEM ones after 50 000 km (31 000 miles), so they last twice, and cost half. I am perfectly happy with spending 12.50 USD every 2 years (hell! every year would also be absolutely alright!) in order to get the extra safety.
I'd like to point out that the burnt bulb is the one on the right (as I mentioned) which is the side that was broken when I had a small accident in April '15, where the headlight assembly got broken on that side. I got a new assembly but the mechanic saved the two bulbs. So that might be a factor why the right one burnt first. I'm curious to know when the left one will give up.
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Thanks for the update, Martin. Personally I haven't had good luck with longevity on bulb upgrades.
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Thanks for the update, Martin. Personally I haven't had good luck with longevity on bulb upgrades.
Generally, the "brighter" bulbs are a little over-driven, which causes them to wear out sooner.
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Come to think of it, I've only changed them once since I bought the bike (standard H4s).
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Just an FYI to clear up some confusion earlier.
Philips recently introduced their LED H4. Pucker tight before ya read the price.
http://www.xenondepot.com/h4-philips-12953BWX2-LED-Bulb-p/12953bwx2.htm (http://www.xenondepot.com/h4-philips-12953BWX2-LED-Bulb-p/12953bwx2.htm)
Then there is this option.
A rider named Spiderman on ADVrider consulted with and helped Evitek come up with this one, which was available before the Philips. It looks like Philips copied the identical low beam cut-off guard design. Some riders are having good results with it. http://www.amazon.com/Headlight-Evitek-Easy-Installed-Headlights-4500LM/dp/B017M566T4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458490901&sr=8-1&keywords=g6+h4+led (http://www.amazon.com/Headlight-Evitek-Easy-Installed-Headlights-4500LM/dp/B017M566T4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458490901&sr=8-1&keywords=g6+h4+led)
Long term reviews are not in yet.
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Philips recently introduced their LED H4. Pucker tight before ya read the price.
That looks very interesting, indeed! Proper cutoff, no stupid fan to fail (and they will), proper color, installation couldn't be any easier. Still will have stray light, but will it be more or less than an HID retrofit? (Who knows yet). It also will not throw light everywhere it is supposed to (an H4 bulb lights down AND up on high beam, ssems the Ultinon LED is one-sided). It is an insane price, but it is bound to get more reasonable over time.
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I'd like to point out that the burnt bulb is the one on the right (as I mentioned) which is the side that was broken when I had a small accident in April '15, where the headlight assembly got broken on that side. I got a new assembly but the mechanic saved the two bulbs. So that might be a factor why the right one burnt first. I'm curious to know when the left one will give up.
Unbelievable, but the left bulb burnt out before I could even find any replacement for the right one, so I had to buy "normal" H4. It seems like the special kind are not available in Sicily, at least not in a pinch. So, the left one lasted a whooping 100 miles more than the right one.
Going into the tunnels on the Sicilian autostrada (many aren't lit) just got yet another notch scarier.
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Unbelievable, but the left bulb burnt out before I could even find any replacement for the right one, so I had to buy "normal" H4. So, the left one lasted a whooping 100 miles more than the right one.
Some say that is "good quality control" (predictable failure/duty)
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Some say that is "good quality control" (predictable failure/duty)
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Some say that is "good quality control" (predictable failure/duty)
my thought exactly!
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IM seeing two different ones on amazon.....
these... http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B00QJWUPC6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B00QJWUPC6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI)
and these..... http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B007K6E51W?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B007K6E51W?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI)
Benefits or disadvantages of one over the other?
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IM seeing two different ones on amazon.....
these... http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B00QJWUPC6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B00QJWUPC6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI)
and these..... http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B007K6E51W?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B007K6E51W?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI)
Benefits or disadvantages of one over the other?
I don't know what the differences are between these two (if any) but I bought and installed the set in the first link almost exactly a year ago (I paid $10 more then). I'm happy with them, they're VERY bright and VERY white. :thumbs: :thumbs:
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I don't know what the differences are between these two (if any) but I bought and installed the set in the first link almost exactly a year ago (I paid $10 more then). I'm happy with them, they're VERY bright and VERY white.
They are actually only "white" on low beam, because they tint the top of the bulb blue :)
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I don't know what the differences are between these two (if any) but I bought and installed the set in the first link almost exactly a year ago (I paid $10 more then). I'm happy with them, they're VERY bright and VERY white. :thumbs: :thumbs:
According to Martins' schedule you've got a year left.
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IM seeing two different ones on amazon.....
these... http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B00QJWUPC6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B00QJWUPC6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI)
and these..... http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B007K6E51W?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-X-treme-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs/dp/B007K6E51W?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=AF3SA2F2HOVSI)
Benefits or disadvantages of one over the other?
One has a 100% more power, and the other 130%. But because of the nonlinear way in which the human eye perceives light, the +100% (so, twice as much output) will only look 41% brighter, while the +130% will look 51% brighter, and I can imagine that it'll last even less.
I had the +100% and it was great. There was no blue hint, by the way. In fact, parked next to the new BMW GS with its LED headlight, it looked yellowish.
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One has a 100% more power, and the other 130%.
Both are just marketing. By my estimate it is actually only about 10 to 15% brighter. But there are so many ways to measure things, one can say just about anything and be "right".
There was no blue hint, by the way. In fact, parked next to the new BMW GS with its LED headlight, it looked yellowish.
The blue tint on the Philips X-treme bulb is actually just enough to counter most of the yellow to make it look more neutral. They can't put much more tinting or it will cut out too much usable light.
Most factory LED implementations I see are considerably more blue compared to factory HID. Not sure how/why that is, though.