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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: jdhreiss on February 24, 2014, 09:31:29 AM

Title: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: jdhreiss on February 24, 2014, 09:31:29 AM
 I went for a set of Volmar front pads since the price was right and there were no bad reviews (at the time).  Yesterday, at the end of a I-5 off ramp, I grabbed the front brakes to find the lever pull all the way to the bar.  On the rear and pumping the front led to slowing and the front end grinding.  4 of the 8 pads had the friction material separated from the backing plate and one pad was missing.  All were rusted behind the friction material pads, indicating the bonding agent had failed some time ago.  If you have Volmar pads, check them.  If not, stay away from them.  My 2 cents. 
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: MrPepsi on February 24, 2014, 09:41:37 AM
Holy wow, that could have ended badly.
Time for a very negative review then eh?
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: jdhreiss on February 24, 2014, 09:43:31 AM
Forgot- 8,900 miles on the pads - average thickness of the separated friction material: .170"
Average thickness pad & backing plate: .280".  Note puck side of backing plates are not rusted.

Joe R.
Kelso, WA
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: VirginiaJim on February 24, 2014, 03:54:04 PM
Hope you didn't pay a lot for that muffler..  Never heard of that brand before and I'm going to keep it that way.
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: maxtog on February 24, 2014, 04:19:31 PM
Hope you didn't pay a lot for that muffler..  Never heard of that brand before and I'm going to keep it that way.

Yeah, I am really scared of aftermarket parts when it comes to brakes... unless they are really well known
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: Stephen.G.Fiddes on February 25, 2014, 06:41:35 AM
Thats lawsuit material... Glad it wasnt worse for ya!
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: jdhreiss on February 25, 2014, 08:23:34 AM
The correct name of them is VOLAR.  They are available @ D2moto and even Amazon.  There were many good reviews on the sportbike forums.  Live and learn.
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: PH14 on February 25, 2014, 09:11:29 AM
Live and learn.

Key word, "Live." Glad it didn't cause an accident.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: mike-s4 on February 25, 2014, 10:41:05 AM
Did they scrape up the disks ?
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: jdhreiss on February 25, 2014, 01:18:04 PM
The discs look ok.  I bought these at D2moto and posted the photos on their facebook today.  They removed them twice.  So, there you are.
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: Cuda on February 25, 2014, 08:02:39 PM
That's BS
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: jirod on February 25, 2014, 09:36:27 PM
Unbelievable! Glad you could stop in time. Would you consider filing a complaint with the NTSHA? If enough people do it they may force a recall. We're talking lives here.
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: jdhreiss on March 05, 2014, 05:27:24 AM
  I haven't thought of that.  D2Moto needs all the love I can give them.  After pulling my facebook posting, they posted a "if you have any problems contact customer service" line.  I think they know I have had a problem!  Also, I got a set for a friend of mine and had to track down the bike (another 08) since he traded it in.  Got that corrected.

Joe
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: martin_14 on March 05, 2014, 09:28:38 AM
I would tend to agree on their comment that you should contact them first, and depending on their reaction, eventually post that info. But lives are lives, I don't think you did anything wrong posting. Keep nagging them, and keep updating us  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: clogan on March 05, 2014, 03:39:20 PM
Could you Gorilla-glue them back together and re-use them?

Oh, wait...that's something us KLR riders might try, LOL!
But then again, even as cheap as us KLR guys are, I don't think even we would resort to that!
Thanks for the warning.
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: stevewfl on March 05, 2014, 10:43:17 PM
Hope you didn't pay a lot for that muffler..  Never heard of that brand before and I'm going to keep it that way.

that muffler only holds the brake pads  ;D
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: katata1100 on March 30, 2014, 10:55:44 AM
There are lots of pads offered for the c14
From names I've never heard of before, like Brake, Brake Master, etc.
They all claim the same features- ceramic, metal, etc.
Is it possible these all are made in the same factory in china, then
sold in different packages with different names?
They all have similar prices, about half what ebc costs.
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: Daytona_Mike on March 30, 2014, 01:06:08 PM
Oh boy. I would not try and play around with  saving a few bucks on brake pads. Call Murph or go online and buy EBC sintered double H pads.
That will be about the best stopping power you can get and you wont have to worry about the   glue holding.
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: katata1100 on March 30, 2014, 01:38:26 PM
Go to ebay or amazon and type concours 14 in the search engine, you'll get dozens of listings  for different names of brakes that all sound the same and are cheap.
I don't rust any of these cheapies.
FWIW, when it comes to brakes, I found these are the only big names offering pads:
Ferodo, EBC, Galfer, Carbon Lorraine and DP.
And, of course, Kawasaki.
Names like Brake Master, Mr. Chen (wtf?) all sound like the same stuff.
 Maybe they are good, maybe they work well in smaller bikes, who knows? I think the C14 pads are also fit a Suzuki 600, but when it comes to the C14 she's a big pig of a bike and slowing down that extra girth from routine stops can be as hard on the brakes and racing on a track.
Back when I was in college, I had some wagner pads on my K car and did some towing, it started requiring more pressure to stop. The pads were falling apart, some were missing material.
Anyhow, I need brakes. i want a bad that has low dusting, quiet and good brake feel. The trade off I'm willing to give up is ultimate performance as I don't ride aggressively. Out of Ferodo, EBC, Galfer, Carbon Lorraine, DP and Kawasaki, which should I choose?
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: Pokey on March 30, 2014, 02:13:51 PM
ECONO and brakes do not mix well........EVER.
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: martin_14 on March 31, 2014, 04:22:14 AM
Oh boy. I would not try and play around with  saving a few bucks on brake pads. Call Murph or go online and buy EBC sintered double H pads.
That will be about the best stopping power you can get and you wont have to worry about the   glue holding.

+1
saving on brake pads is even more kamikaze than saving on condoms  ::)
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: Conrad on March 31, 2014, 04:48:04 AM
+1
saving on brake pads is even more kamikaze than saving on condoms  ::)

Group buy?    ;)
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: gPink on March 31, 2014, 05:01:33 AM
...on kamikaze condoms?
Title: Re: Volmar econo-brakes
Post by: VirginiaJim on March 31, 2014, 06:38:36 AM
Why not both?  We can increase the quality by buying in volume/bulk.