Kawasaki Concours Forum
Mish mash => Open Forum => Topic started by: Cuda on December 11, 2013, 09:01:19 PM
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Stopped over a clients house today and he is cleaning a old 1988 suv , he said it's his airport vehicle, he's been a pilot for almost 40 years and just retired from a major airline , said he just got a new job working for Boeing .... training Pilots for Asiana Airline if you remember they have had a few crashes last one in SF , he said the FAA told them if they don't train their pilots better they won't be able to land at ANY American airport :yikes:
Said he goes to South Korea for three weeks then has three weeks off , he said they seam very smart ... but they CAN'T FLY ::)
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/11/21866445-horrifying-video-shows-crucial-moment-asiana-flight-214-crashed-at-sf-airport?lite (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/11/21866445-horrifying-video-shows-crucial-moment-asiana-flight-214-crashed-at-sf-airport?lite)
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Somewhat of a topic at my FBO. Apparently their pilots can fly just fine, but can NOT fly a VFR landing.
Given the complexity of modern 'big iron', I can understand why. You don't fly an A-380 (or 747/777) by the seat of your pants.
Rick
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According to him landing the big planes are easy compared to small ones?
He showed me a picture of his little plane and said that is a hand full on a windy day.
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When landing an airplane, especially a large plane, airspeed is EVERYTHING. Even if your used to auto throttle there is no excuse for not watching your airspeed. I think also the junior pilot with senior pilot looking over his shoulder was a factor. At Tenerife when the 2 747's collided on the runway, the junior pilot clearly knew there was another aircraft on the runway and they did NOT have takeoff clearance but let the senior airline chief pilot roll anyway. I bet the pilot in this case felt like "what could go wrong I got the check pilot sitting right next to me" and was more concerned about his evaluation than landing the airplane. The check pilot should also have been watching airspeed and the second it went 5 knots too low should have taken over and throttled up.
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Somewhat of a topic at my FBO. Apparently their pilots can fly just fine, but can NOT fly a VFR landing.
Given the complexity of modern 'big iron', I can understand why. You don't fly an A-380 (or 747/777) by the seat of your pants.
Rick
Correction: You CANNOT fly an airplane as PIC if you are unable to execute a VFR landing. Takeoffs are optional, landings are mandatory (unless you eject, bail out or jump of your own free will).
The basics are still the same whether you are in a Jenny or an SR-71, airspeed management is ALWAYS required on approach, no exceptions (as Rhino says above).
Dan
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On the voice recorder on the 777 a voice was heard emphisising, "sink rate". It was repeated with more urgency, then "go around" was repeated then, "go (expletive) around!". Neither pilot did their jobs.
Reminds me of the time a friend and I rented an Archer. Coming back to the aerodrome after dark we were landing long. I was right seat and after we had used over half the 3400' runway and still hadn't touched down I called "go around" 3 times. Greg hit the throttle and the engine sputtered. I yelled, "fuel" and he switched tanks and away we went clearing the power lines by about 50'. We had run one tank empty forgetting Archers require fuel tank management unlike 172s. The difference here was the PIC, who was initially stubborn about landing listened to advice to abort.