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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: Son of Pappy on November 20, 2013, 11:17:03 AM
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http://www.gpscity.com/garmin-monterra.html#specifications (http://www.gpscity.com/garmin-monterra.html#specifications)
Bluetooth, GLONASS, and so much more. A bonus is it fits the mounts I already have. ADV on ;D My Montana may be up for sale shortly.
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I don't want to sound like an unwashed heathen, but does anyone just take their automotive GPS and Velcro it to a bracket? I know it would not work in the rain, but otherwise for us cheapskates, is it an option people use?
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They do. Ziplock baggies and a rubber band to help keep the unit dry.
My Montana has been a great unit, but not as good as my Zumo 550. No Bluetooth and sucks in the woods, which is where I use it the most. This new Montera answers my needs.
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No current auto GPS offers both bluetooth and a cable connection for a bike's intercom system. As you already noted, auto units are not waterproof. But the single biggest detriment is that no auto GPS is daylight readable so they cannot be seen well at all during daylight hours under any circumstances, and not seen at all in direct sunlight.
Maybe discussions on this topic if you do a search. What I usually recommend to people is to use the automotive GPS if you are a casual user and do not count on the unit actually working- like it is more of a trinket than a tool. Those who need a GPS that works and is usable on a motorcycle really need a motorcycle unit unfortunately.
Brian
I don't want to sound like an unwashed heathen, but does anyone just take their automotive GPS and Velcro it to a bracket? I know it would not work in the rain, but otherwise for us cheapskates, is it an option people use?
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No current GPS offers both bluetooth and a cable connection for a bike's intercom system......
Isn't that how the Zumo 660/665 function? I only use mine with BT, so I'm not familiar with its wired options, so if I'm way off base my bad!
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Yep, typo on my part- I meant no auto GPS has those things. Motorcycle GPS's do. I will fix the original post.
Brian
Isn't that how the Zumo 660/665 function? I only use mine with BT, so I'm not familiar with its wired options, so if I'm way off base my bad!
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I have been using a Garmin automotive unit for a few years after mike bike unit $600. + failed and I didn't feel like spending that much coin. Yes they are a little harder to see but they work for me and for $75. you can buy a lot of them if they break.
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http://globeriders.com/article_pages/article06_gps/article06_monterra.shtml (http://globeriders.com/article_pages/article06_gps/article06_monterra.shtml)
Really good write up.
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I don't want to sound like an unwashed heathen, but does anyone just take their automotive GPS and Velcro it to a bracket? I know it would not work in the rain, but otherwise for us cheapskates, is it an option people use?
That's what I do. I have a water resistant case for it. I have used it in torrential downpours no problem. Sure it isn't as good as the Zumo etc. but it functions really well for what I want. I don't have the audio on, so just look at the screen for the info i need.
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Thanks for answering my question.
Sounds like I should at least try my auto GPS. I won't use it much, but for a long trip it would be handy.
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Anybody use the mapping/navigation apps on their smart phone instead of a GPS?
My old eyeballs aren't good enough to see any sort of GPS without my glasses, which I do not/cannot wear inside my full face helmet. So I'm just asking out of curiosity.
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Maps are cheap, you can see them during the day and you never have to program them.
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Thanks for answering my question.
Sounds like I should at least try my auto GPS. I won't use it much, but for a long trip it would be handy.
I'm Brian's casual user type. I velcro'ed a powered lapel mic to the back of the gps and plugged the mic and my radar into a mini amp and ran a wire to a $5 helmet speaker.
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I don't want to sound like an unwashed heathen, but does anyone just take their automotive GPS and Velcro it to a bracket? I know it would not work in the rain, but otherwise for us cheapskates, is it an option people use?
I use a Garmin NUVI 3450 and love it. Don't need to hear it.
But on topic, this new Monterra sounds like it does both roads and topo. I want one! I used to have a Magellan Crossover and liked it. It's biggest problem IMO was that the topo mode was completely different software from auto road mode. I have no idea why they had to have 2 different interfaces. Eventually the thing died but I've been waiting for the idea to reemerge especially for ADV riding.
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I don't want to sound like an unwashed heathen, but does anyone just take their automotive GPS and Velcro it to a bracket? I know it would not work in the rain, but otherwise for us cheapskates, is it an option people use?
I have my Nuvi whatever number it is mountable to the bike with a RAM bracket...
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Been using a Garmin NUVI 3490 all summer and I'm very pleased with it. Have not had any problems seeing the screen, and the screen works with leather gloves. Very rarely do I get caught in the rain, so that's not an issue for me.
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I have my Nuvi whatever number it is mountable to the bike with a RAM bracket...
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I have my Nuvi whatever number it is mountable to the bike with a RAM bracket...
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I bought a used Nuvi 765 off Ebay for about $90. It has BT and also can store music. It's not perfect but its cheap and seems to work just fine. As others have said, a baggie in the rain does the trick
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I use a Nuvi and a smartphone and the NUVI sux. I didn;t use it at all on my recent 7500 mile trip.
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I use a Nuvi and a smartphone and the NUVI sux. I didn;t use it at all on my recent 7500 mile trip.
Which NUVI? My 3450 works fantastic. I use it all over Europe and the US. I like it over the smart phone because you don't need to be in 3G or 4G coverage. I big problem on back roads here in the west.
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Which NUVI? My 3450 works fantastic. I use it all over Europe and the US. I like it over the smart phone because you don't need to be in 3G or 4G coverage. I big problem on back roads here in the west.
Mine is either 500 or 505. I hate it. My real ZUMO motorcycle GPS I had broke twice out of warranty and I scrapped it.
And the new smartphone apps don't need 3G or 4G coverage and have both topo and real updated road maps (which my NUVI hasn't) and bluetooth with turn by turn directions inside my ear drum (which my NUVI doesn't)
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One can't compare a NUVI to the new GPS Monterra Chet put as the thread topic. It does crazy things beyond topo, such as collect tracks. A guy used that feature in the desert to help us find our way back to camp from being lost at least 50 miles from the nearest human. We simply followed the bread crumbs in his GPS back.
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My NUVI has the track feature.
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Zumo's can save a TRACK and once you do a ride- save the TRACK and your supposed to be run the TRACK in reverse. I know I have bread crumbs turned on and I can see where I have been so it makes it easy to go back.
Years ago I was able to manually load a topo -partially transparent map on stop of the regular maps on my Zumo. It worked cool in Florida but when I got into the mountains it sure got busy looking and Ii had to turn down the 'details'.
Steve, did you say you 'scrapped' your Zumo' ? where are they? I can repair them. Usually it is just the digitizer that wears out.
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One can't compare a NUVI to the new GPS Monterra Chet put as the thread topic. It does crazy things beyond topo, such as collect tracks. A guy used that feature in the desert to help us find our way back to camp from being lost at least 50 miles from the nearest human. We simply followed the bread crumbs in his GPS back.
So, you in on this? I almost bought one last night, but I need to teach a couple classes to buy one. Mamma said new couch or GPS. My couch is shot and the Montana still works. Next month is only days away ;D
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OK, a little off-topic but not too far: If you can repair them, then I assume you can swap the displays. If you can swap the displays, can you get a new Zumo display screen, preferably a 6XX series? Now for the real question: can you get a Zumo display screen AND put it in a Nuvi, any Nuvi? ?? ????
Brian
Zumo's can save a TRACK and once you do a ride- save the TRACK and your supposed to be run the TRACK in reverse. I know I have bread crumbs turned on and I can see where I have been so it makes it easy to go back.
Years ago I was able to manually load a topo -partially transparent map on stop of the regular maps on my Zumo. It worked cool in Florida but when I got into the mountains it sure got busy looking and Ii had to turn down the 'details'.
Steve, did you say you 'scrapped' your Zumo' ? where are they? I can repair them. Usually it is just the digitizer that wears out.
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Mine is either 500 or 505. I hate it. My real ZUMO motorcycle GPS I had broke twice out of warranty and I scrapped it.
And the new smartphone apps don't need 3G or 4G coverage and have both topo and real updated road maps (which my NUVI hasn't) and bluetooth with turn by turn directions inside my ear drum (which my NUVI doesn't)
I'm going to have to look into that. Which apps do you use?
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But the single biggest detriment is that no auto GPS is daylight readable so they cannot be seen well at all during daylight hours under any circumstances, and not seen at all in direct sunlight.
Brian
Although Brian(BDF) is a well respected contributor to the forum, he is off base on this one. I have had a Garmin 3790LMT on my bike for 2 yrs. now and I assure you that it is readable in daylight and in direct sunlight. The 3790 has a glass screen as opposed to the plastics or acrylics. It is not waterproof and it is not recommended for Motorcycles. The 3790 was one of Garmins high end units and can be used in both Landscape and Portrait mode. The portrait mode is great for highway use, as you actually see further down the road.
Fred
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My NUVI has the track feature.
Wow maybe mine does too, I didn't know that thanks!
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Silverdammit, a "couch"?
Bet the couch doesn;t do android like the monterra, take pics, nor does it wi-fi! ;D
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Silverdammit, a "couch"?
Bet the couch doesn;t do android like the monterra, take pics, nor does it wi-fi! ;D
Leather, reclining, and a great price from the exchange on "Blue Friday" ;D Back issues and all that.
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Thanks for the thought toward my feelings but really, go right ahead and correct me- I appreciate it. Really.
Just checked that unit out and it looks like a current model. If that is the case then great as it may well be a viable alternative to a Zumo. I agree that the waterproof aspect is absolutely not a deal- killer as the unit can be put in a waterproof box or even covered with a plastic bag but to function well enough use on a motorcycle for me, it must be daylight readable. That particular unit is $400 so not much savings over a Zumo, and it does not have an MP3 player, which is something I use in a GPS whenever I ride but again, the display is the key to a unit's work-ability on a bike for me.
But the really neat thing about this unit is that it seems like it mirrors the newer style, multi- purpose GPS's such as the Montana. That leads me to believe that more and more units will come through with this newer style screen, and therefore more auto units will be fit for motorcycle use. That works great for all of us I think.
And maybe.... just maybe, if these screens progress through the lines of various GPS models, they can be retrofitted into something like a 765, which is functionally almost identical to a Zumo 550. I use a 765T on my bike as a secondary unit but again, it is just not readable for far too much of the time during the day.
Thanks for pointing this unit out Fred, and thanks for your concern about correcting me- it is appreciated.
Brian
Although Brian(BDF) is a well respected contributor to the forum, he is off base on this one. I have had a Garmin 3790LMT on my bike for 2 yrs. now and I assure you that it is readable in daylight and in direct sunlight. The 3790 has a glass screen as opposed to the plastics or acrylics. It is not waterproof and it is not recommended for Motorcycles. The 3790 was one of Garmins high end units and can be used in both Landscape and Portrait mode. The portrait mode is great for highway use, as you actually see further down the road.
Fred
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Wow maybe mine does too, I didn't know that thanks!
On the NUVI 3490 it's located at: Settings - Map & Vehicle - Map Layers - Trip Log
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I had a glare issue with my Zumo 660 which was mounted between the handlebars facing up. I tried a glarestomper , only helped a little. Then I bought a GPS hood from Robin Hoods which helped a lot maybe 80% improvement after raising the GPS and making the screen face me more,
Robin Hoods http://www.priushood.com/ (http://www.priushood.com/)
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I may get the hood for my 2013 Prius. Looks quite nice.
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I have an older Nuvi 785 I believe and it works great on the bike as well! I plug it straight into my J&M unit and let it tell me every turn to make on the route I put in it. I listen to my music as well, but keep the phone disconnected as I don't want to take calls while riding! I do have to keep my baggie and wire tie handy for the rain though... no need to see the screen while riding as it tells you what to do.
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I may get the hood for my 2013 Prius. Looks quite nice.
Your Prius doesn't have a hood? :o
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Your Prius doesn't have a hood? :o
It's called a battery cover... ;D
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It's called a battery cover... ;D
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:rotflmao:
What are you laughing at? >:( ;)
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Pick up the GPS tomorrow. Instructor discounts rock the world ;D
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As an alternative, you can use any of the older TomTom GPS available on ebay for about $15 to $25. There are several style handle bar and ball mounts for around $5. The older TomTom units had a Windows file format so they are easy to modify. I have a TomTom One xls (paid $20). I have cloned the latest TomTom Rider operating system and the latest set of North American Maps (USA, Canada, Mexico, including Alaska). It has a mini USB charging port (bought a 12vdc charger cable for $5). I also got the water proof case (again about $5), and they have integrated blue tooth. The whole set cost about $35. I have two (second one was $15), just in case something happens to the first I have a back up. They work fine, and the latest operating system locks onto satellites fast, and with the Rider version you have one touch hot keys, bike specific routes (twistes), trip stats, and return same route option.
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If I was only doing paved routes I would agree, but the ADV rides I do require more and need to be far more rugged. The ability to overlay topo, map sets, and Birdseye imagery is one of the things that set this apart. Glonass for enhanced signal reception and Bluetooth to the helmet/Chatterbox XBi Slim complete the package. Seeing as it fits the mounts I have for the Montana is a big bonus, I have one permanently mounted on the GS and a mount I have for other bikes, complete with SAE plug and standard cig lighter plug. I also have the auto mount. We do a fair amount of pre ride scouting and the ability to create track sets on the fly is another cool feature. And seeing as it has the ability to download android apps for a variety of things I see it as a win win. Perfect for what I need, and all in one package. From what I have read you can even create routes on the unit, it seems someone always mentions a can't miss spot or two coupled with suggestions on the way to this must see location. I wish it came with routable maps, but I can add what I need and Ialready have several of the 10k Topo map sets on CD. Looking forward to picking it up and playing with it. I may even mount it to the EXC for Fridays trail ride. I'd like to build some designated tracks for future use :)
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Got it, so far extremely intuitive for those who use the Android system. Easy is good, if it functions as advertised I have a winner. Maps to load, settings to set, roads to explore :)
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I've been reading through the threads researching a purchase of a GPS. I use a Magellan 7" in my truck. Mainly because....well approaching 50 my eyes aren't what they used to be and I can see what I need to see without having to put on my dollar store cheaters. Yes I'm still in denial I guess.
My question is this: I want a GPS unit at least a 6" unit and is prefer a 7". I've recently purchased a set of Sena Smh10's I have an iPhone 5s that I was intending to use for music. In my research I'm finding that a lot of GPS units won't pair/Bluetooth with the new 5s. So I'm guessing a better way to go for music will be a GPS unit that will play music. I'm new here but already I respect and appreciate the vast experience and expertise I've found.
Does anyone has suggestions for an inexpensive GPS that will work for me. I can't spend the $$ on a dedicated M/C unit.
AND... With the Murphs risers and wedges the 7" won't fit between the bars now so I'm considering either a left handle bar ram mount or even in a map pouch of a tank bag.
Thanks for your input everyone
Dan
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Inexpensive? Hard to find one that does what you are asking of it. My best music solution was going the hard wire route. End the end it is less hassle to plug in before taking off, no batteries to charge, or extra buttons to push to make sure it's on. I'd rig it this way for the GS but I spend too much time on the pegs to make it practical.
The new Monterra is having routing issues at the moment, works great for tracks, which is how I will use it %99 of the time. Something really cool, I can stream live vid from my new GoPro Hero3+. I am certain they wil fix the routing bug, if they don't sales will fall flat.
My Zumo 550 streamed music great, and to date has been the best, most reliable unit I have ever had. The Montana? Loses signal way to easy, to the point I spent big coinage on the Monterra.
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Thanks. I was hoping to have my GPS talking to me.
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It is not coming recommended by one of the original thoroughly put through the ringer beta testers on ADVriders, he said to stick with the Montana or whatever else works for ya, hope you have good luck with it though. I have 2 old Garmin 2720's, and I will use them until they die. :)
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It is not coming recommended by one of the original thoroughly put through the ringer beta testers on ADVriders, he said to stick with the Montana or whatever else works for ya, hope you have good luck with it though. I have 2 old Garmin 2720's, and I will use them until they die. :)
Yep, been in dialogue with him (I am SOP Dirt-Rider on the ADV forum) If my primary use was routing I would be concerned, really concerned. So far I plug in address and it works, but I haven't built a route to suffer as those that do. Tracks, tracks, and more tracks. Working perfect in that regard.
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As an alternative, you can use any of the older TomTom GPS available on ebay for about $15 to $25. There are several style handle bar and ball mounts for around $5. The older TomTom units had a Windows file format so they are easy to modify. I have a TomTom One xls (paid $20). I have cloned the latest TomTom Rider operating system and the latest set of North American Maps (USA, Canada, Mexico, including Alaska). It has a mini USB charging port (bought a 12vdc charger cable for $5). I also got the water proof case (again about $5), and they have integrated blue tooth. The whole set cost about $35. I have two (second one was $15), just in case something happens to the first I have a back up. They work fine, and the latest operating system locks onto satellites fast, and with the Rider version you have one touch hot keys, bike specific routes (twistes), trip stats, and return same route option.
This sounds pretty good. I have one of these sitting in the garage as I have been using my smart phone for the car. For those of us that are software challenged how hard is it to clone the OS and maps. Seems like if it is in WIndows formats it should seemingly be simple to do. Since I stick to roads (that term is debatable in Ill, In and Southeast Oh) it would see to be a good back up for those places where 3g/4g is variable.
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It takes basic PC skills and a little investment of time. Everything you need can be found here.
http://gpsunderground.com/forum/ (http://gpsunderground.com/forum/)
You'll have to register first to get to this link.
http://gpsunderground.com/forum/tomtom-navcore/20974-tomtom-rider-navcore-collection.html (http://gpsunderground.com/forum/tomtom-navcore/20974-tomtom-rider-navcore-collection.html)
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Other than the Zumo units, do any of these Garmin gps pair to the Sena SM10?
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One of the problems with auto GPS's is that they no longer support MP3 (audio music, audio books), often do not support Bluetooth and most of them do not have an audio output jack. The motorcycle units have all of these functions. Older automotive units did also but there are not any being currently being mfg'd. I have a 765T, which was a fairly inexpensive automotive GPS that seems functionally identical in every way with my Zumo 550, except in a couple of areas where it is actually superior.
The other problem with automotive units is that they are usually not readable in sunlight and often not in even bright but non- direct light. That has changed recently and someone pointed out at least one Garmin automotive GPS that was readable in direct sunlight but even that was a rather expensive unit ($400 as I remember). But perhaps it shows a trend toward better screens for all GPS's in the future?
I am having the identical problem with GPS and other instruments as my near- vision is also becoming quite blurry (the 'long arm' disease where you cannot get the restaurant menu far enough away to read it). But I cannot use glasses for any distance so cannot wear reading glasses on the bike. I think a welder's mask magnifying lens might be a good compromise glued in the lower portion of the helmet's visor. They are cheap and readily available in a variety of diopters and you can pick the one that works best for you. You could also get two different ones, cut each one in half and use the better half for each eye.
Brian
I've been reading through the threads researching a purchase of a GPS. I use a Magellan 7" in my truck. Mainly because....well approaching 50 my eyes aren't what they used to be and I can see what I need to see without having to put on my dollar store cheaters. Yes I'm still in denial I guess.
My question is this: I want a GPS unit at least a 6" unit and is prefer a 7". I've recently purchased a set of Sena Smh10's I have an iPhone 5s that I was intending to use for music. In my research I'm finding that a lot of GPS units won't pair/Bluetooth with the new 5s. So I'm guessing a better way to go for music will be a GPS unit that will play music. I'm new here but already I respect and appreciate the vast experience and expertise I've found.
Does anyone has suggestions for an inexpensive GPS that will work for me. I can't spend the $$ on a dedicated M/C unit.
AND... With the Murphs risers and wedges the 7" won't fit between the bars now so I'm considering either a left handle bar ram mount or even in a map pouch of a tank bag.
Thanks for your input everyone
Dan
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http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-big-screen-magnifier-ram-mag-1u.html (http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-big-screen-magnifier-ram-mag-1u.html)
A good write up on the Monterra.
http://globeriders.com/article_pages/article06_gps/article06_monterra.shtml (http://globeriders.com/article_pages/article06_gps/article06_monterra.shtml)
It seems there are some routing issues, although I have as of yet to have an issue. I have a 320 mile trip tomorrow so I will give it a shot to see how it does. Great for tracks, so far two woods/trail rides and it displays accurate tracks.
If you are really bored, read up from intitial "rumor" to release.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=898282 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=898282)
I'm liking it so far, minor issues, but much better reception than my Montana gets and far easier to use (so far anyway).
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One of the problems with auto GPS's is that they no longer support MP3[...]The other problem with automotive units is that they are usually not readable in sunlight[...]
And the remaining problems are that if they use a capacitive touchscreen, that won't work with motorcycle gloves, they rarely have any hard buttons, they are not weatherproof, they don't include appropriate mounts, and they are not as shock/vibration resistant.
I am having the identical problem with GPS and other instruments as my near- vision is also becoming quite blurry
That is happening to me too now, hence bifocals. But I do not wear glasses on the bike, so seeing the small screen is becoming more difficult all the time.
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Other than the Zumo units, do any of these Garmin gps pair to the Sena SM10?
If you have the Sena SMH10 you could consider getting a Sena SR10 and use an audio cable for the GPS audio out port to the SR10 and you would have audio turn by turn in your helmet. I use it w my Zumo but primarily got the SR-10 to link the radar detector audio alerts straight to my helmet speakers of the Sena SMH10. With this set up you get phone Bluetooth, music from the smartphone, GPS turn by turn and radar detector alerts.
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Even the new Zumos have no hard buttons and more is the pity IMO. As far as the vibration goes, not sure about that myself- the failure rate is pretty high on the 'hardened' units and even if they do last longer, given the 3X price I do not think it is three times better.
Mounts and weatherproof are pretty easy given something like a Ram Aquamount; I have one and it works quite well on a Nuvi 765.
But the MP3, Bluetooth and daylight readable screens are 'deal killers' for me. They render the unit inoperable regarding audio, cell phone connection and in the end, the ability to see it during the daytime.
On the focus issue: welder's lenses in the bottom of the visor of your helmet. Cheap (less than $10), fairly easy (you would have to glue / tape it (them if you cut it in half to blend in with the visor better)) to install. If someone really wanted to go nuts, that person could make a small mount to hold the lens in place but allow it to be removed for easy cleaning.
Brian
And the remaining problems are that if they use a capacitive touchscreen, that won't work with motorcycle gloves, they rarely have any hard buttons, they are not weatherproof, they don't include appropriate mounts, and they are not as shock/vibration resistant.
That is happening to me too now, hence bifocals. But I do not wear glasses on the bike, so seeing the small screen is becoming more difficult all the time.
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http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-big-screen-magnifier-ram-mag-1u.html (http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-big-screen-magnifier-ram-mag-1u.html)
A good write up on the Monterra.
http://globeriders.com/article_pages/article06_gps/article06_monterra.shtml (http://globeriders.com/article_pages/article06_gps/article06_monterra.shtml)
It seems there are some routing issues, although I have as of yet to have an issue. I have a 320 mile trip tomorrow so I will give it a shot to see how it does. Great for tracks, so far two woods/trail rides and it displays accurate tracks.
If you are really bored, read up from intitial "rumor" to release.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=898282 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=898282)
I'm liking it so far, minor issues, but much better reception than my Montana gets and far easier to use (so far anyway).
Good to know...thanks! :thumbs:
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On the focus issue: welder's lenses in the bottom of the visor of your helmet. Cheap (less than $10), fairly easy (you would have to glue / tape it (them if you cut it in half to blend in with the visor better)) to install. If someone really wanted to go nuts, that person could make a small mount to hold the lens in place but allow it to be removed for easy cleaning.
I wonder if a flexible, cling-on, Fresnel lens exists? Quick- patent potential!
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I really like that magnifying lense idea. I watched the GPS city videos. A cool rig.
And sorry to ruin your dreams of being richer than Oprah with the invention, but those little cling on lenses are already for SCUBA diving. We use them on the inside of the masks to see the tiny little screens of the dive computers. Although I've now found a computer nearly as big as my forearm haha and I can see the numbers easily.
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I was doing a little Googlizing today and came across the new Garmin Nuvi
3597. It looks pretty slick. Designed along the same idea as the iPhone with a glass screen which is said to eliminate the problem with sun glare.
It has a few interesting features. But because it's brand new it is still $250-$300 from what I found
Anyone looked into this GPS unit ?
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Smart phone FTW. Use an app that doesn't require the phone has a cell signal.
amazes me folks still purchase Garmin products ;D
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Broz, I don't know anything about the sm10 you speak of. How does it work ?
I'm a little challenged when it comes to these new fangled gizmos. To be honest I've never blue toothed anything to anything and I was hoping to find an easy answer. I'm thinking if I need to run a single ear bud into my left ear just to hear the GPS I could live with that
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I take it you're not a fan of the iPhone ?? I like mine a lot. Makes me feel like a teenager hahaha
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Yep, and those for diving masks will work but they are a little pricey. The welder's lenses are cheap although they are not 'stick on' and are rigid (easy boys!) so they will not conform to a helmet visor. Sooner or later I am also going to have to do something because I can't get any further away from the Zumo to actually focus on it and still make out the data. :-(
Brian
I really like that magnifying lense idea. I watched the GPS city videos. A cool rig.
And sorry to ruin your dreams of being richer than Oprah with the invention, but those little cling on lenses are already for SCUBA diving. We use them on the inside of the masks to see the tiny little screens of the dive computers. Although I've now found a computer nearly as big as my forearm haha and I can see the numbers easily.
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First off, I have a 2013, and it's my daily driver.
I use a ram aqua mount with a nuvi... 2557 and have had no issues so far. Its only been on the bike for only 700 miles so far tho (rain included). Completely waterproof (including the cable hole in the back when siliconed), has a lock hole and I lock it to a cable I made that goes around the bar riser. The touch-screen is resistive, so it works with gloves, and with the aquabox flexi-screen thing.
Inside the case its supported by foam behind it which I carved out for the power cord, and I also added supplementary pieces of foam around the border of the unit. Wired a 12V socker under the seat to the key-hot accessory wires and so when I turn o the ignition, the GPS turns on. When I turn it off, the GPS detects that and shuts off. The foam I think greatly helps with the vibrations.
I dont feel the need to have audio as I also read speed limit data off the unit so I check it often. I also pay attention when I know I am reading directions from it.
Would a dedicated motorcycle one be nice? Sure. But when it comes to electronics, vibrations are vibrations. The best way to eliviate that is to reduce the viberaitons that get to the housing. Period. The foam in the aqua box is good for that. Plus, $200 (mount included) is a lot cheaper than $600!
I apologize for any typos... On my phone. (Not-pictured, my lock cable. Hadn't made it yet when the pix were taken.)
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Thanks Stephen. That aqua box appears to be the way to go. It looks like you get to use your auto GPS on the bike with virtually no disadvantages. I'm leaning towards the Nuvi 3590 or the 3597. Just trying to figure out the difference other than the $75 difference in price
Dan
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I really like that magnifying lens idea.[...] those little cling on lenses are already for SCUBA diving.
If they are flexible and cling-on, then give us a link! We want them! If not, then they are not what I was talking about.
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I have never used this product or company but: http://www.scuba.com/US/scuba-gear-54/028508/Dive-Optics-Stick-On-Optic-Lenses-for-Scuba-Dive-Masks.html?gclid=CPec57zJ37sCFYyTfgodWFEAVQ (http://www.scuba.com/US/scuba-gear-54/028508/Dive-Optics-Stick-On-Optic-Lenses-for-Scuba-Dive-Masks.html?gclid=CPec57zJ37sCFYyTfgodWFEAVQ)
Very common product. Works well. You can also buy just one and you can get them (it) cheaper although not cheap. Local dive shops carry them too.
You will need a much lower diopter lens than you would be normal reading glasses use. It might be best to try out several diopters at a dollar store or similar to figure out just what you need to focus on the GPS on the bike. Then buy that diopter stick on lens if that is what you want.
Brian
If they are flexible and cling-on, then give us a link! We want them! If not, then they are not what I was talking about.
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I've used a similar product from Walmart. I've used them on both SCUBA masks as well as sunglasses and they work well.
I have never used this product or company but: http://www.scuba.com/US/scuba-gear-54/028508/Dive-Optics-Stick-On-Optic-Lenses-for-Scuba-Dive-Masks.html?gclid=CPec57zJ37sCFYyTfgodWFEAVQ (http://www.scuba.com/US/scuba-gear-54/028508/Dive-Optics-Stick-On-Optic-Lenses-for-Scuba-Dive-Masks.html?gclid=CPec57zJ37sCFYyTfgodWFEAVQ)
Very common product. Works well. You can also buy just one and you can get them (it) cheaper although not cheap. Local dive shops carry them too.
You will need a much lower diopter lens than you would be normal reading glasses use. It might be best to try out several diopters at a dollar store or similar to figure out just what you need to focus on the GPS on the bike. Then buy that diopter stick on lens if that is what you want.
Brian
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Broz, I don't know anything about the sm10 you speak of. How does it work ?
I'm a little challenged when it comes to these new fangled gizmos. To be honest I've never blue toothed anything to anything and I was hoping to find an easy answer. I'm thinking if I need to run a single ear bud into my left ear just to hear the GPS I could live with that
Go to Sena.com and check out the SMH10 & SR10
The 1st one is Bluetooth for motorcycle helmet. Comes with left and right speakers that are thin and mount inside helmet and has clamp device w boom mic. It provides excellent Bluetooth connection. People don't believe I'm riding my motorcycle if I choose to take a call. The SR10 is another Bluetooth device that works in conjunction with the SMH10 for devices that do not have Bluetooth capability but have audio output jacks like exist on a radar detector or GPS unit. In addition to that you can also plug in a Motorola type walkie talkie for bike to bike communication. It comes w/ a small grip mounted push to talk button for the walkie talkie business. All in all it's a lot of electronics but when you ride with the same group of guys and like B2B comm it's ideal. But knowing I will not miss my GPS turn by turn or radar alerts is really nice. If you ride 2 up or are riding with someone that also has the Sena Bluetooth (SMH10) you can pair the devices up to 4 I think, and have communications up to about 1000 yards. It's very clear and beats the Motorala hands down. You can stream music now with their latest software update to more than 1 device good for two up riding. Both units are weatherproof.
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Well that has to be a better value than the dive shop! Where in WallyWorld do you find them? Thanks for passing that along for all of us suffering from 'long arm' disease :-)
Brian
I've used a similar product from Walmart. I've used them on both SCUBA masks as well as sunglasses and they work well.
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Smart phone FTW. Use an app that doesn't require the phone has a cell signal.
+1 8)
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Smart phone FTW. Use an app that doesn't require the phone has a cell signal.
amazes me folks still purchase Garmin products ;D
I find that an actual GPS still works better than the smart phone option. ;)
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I find that an actual GPS still works better than the smart phone option. ;)
Yeah you're right but I'm on the opposit end. My Garmin maps are so far behind my smartphone its crazy. Matter of fact Garmin is the worst for the rural areas I try to go.
And I have yet to figure out how to play pandora/netflix/youtube from my Garmin products (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/icon10.gif)
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I find that an actual GPS still works better than the smart phone option. ;)
And they ALL SCREW UP
Just bought a new Tom Tom and It had issues on my Christmas NY trip,
I got it because my Garmin PISSED me off in Miami a few weeks ago :thumbdown
Not sure how long It's going to take for them to get it right.
The new TT say's the road I live on is a 55 mph zone when It's a 45mph ?
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I have never used this product or company but: http://www.scuba.com/US/scuba-gear-54/028508/Dive-Optics-Stick-On-Optic-Lenses-for-Scuba-Dive-Masks.html?gclid=CPec57zJ37sCFYyTfgodWFEAVQ (http://www.scuba.com/US/scuba-gear-54/028508/Dive-Optics-Stick-On-Optic-Lenses-for-Scuba-Dive-Masks.html?gclid=CPec57zJ37sCFYyTfgodWFEAVQ)Brian
OK, that is EXACTLY what I am talking about. Incredibly neat. But crazy expensive too! I bet one is all that is needed- just for the dominate eye.
Other post- Walmart? Really? Want!
How about these? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001RRTDJO/ref=asc_df_B001RRTDJO2912094?tag=thefind0053396-20&creative=395261&creativeASIN=B001RRTDJO&linkCode=asn (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001RRTDJO/ref=asc_df_B001RRTDJO2912094?tag=thefind0053396-20&creative=395261&creativeASIN=B001RRTDJO&linkCode=asn)
or these http://www.amazon.com/OPTX-20-Stick-On-Bifocals-1-50/dp/B000W7CMW0/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hpc_2 (http://www.amazon.com/OPTX-20-Stick-On-Bifocals-1-50/dp/B000W7CMW0/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hpc_2)
MUCH cheaper. My search-fu is working better tonight
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Broz, I get it now ! I'm slow on the uptake when I'm working midnights haha
I actually have a pair of SMH10s and the dedicated Bell helmets to mount them in. As we are under several feet of snow up here I haven't played with them yet. My understanding was that they only pair with those high end waterproof M/C GPS units though. I've got an iPhone 5 that I was hoping to blue tooth up to them. Do you know if I can use a Garmin 3590 Nuvi and get them all talking to each other somehow. Remember please I'm absolutely illiterate when it comes to blue tooth and electronics
Dan
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They look like the diver mask type, more or less. Just be careful about the diopter- you will want to fine the best lens for the distance between your eye(s), the visor and the GPS. I would suggest the Dollar Store or similar and buy a couple of pair in different diopters to check which ones work best. They are only around a dollar a pair, but they will allow you to choose the best lens for your use. Even at $15 apiece, you don't want to guess 4,5 times to get a lens that works.
Brian
OK, that is EXACTLY what I am talking about. Incredibly neat. But crazy expensive too! I bet one is all that is needed- just for the dominate eye.
Other post- Walmart? Really? Want!
How about these? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001RRTDJO/ref=asc_df_B001RRTDJO2912094?tag=thefind0053396-20&creative=395261&creativeASIN=B001RRTDJO&linkCode=asn (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001RRTDJO/ref=asc_df_B001RRTDJO2912094?tag=thefind0053396-20&creative=395261&creativeASIN=B001RRTDJO&linkCode=asn)
or these http://www.amazon.com/OPTX-20-Stick-On-Bifocals-1-50/dp/B000W7CMW0/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hpc_2 (http://www.amazon.com/OPTX-20-Stick-On-Bifocals-1-50/dp/B000W7CMW0/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hpc_2)
MUCH cheaper. My search-fu is working better tonight
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As far as the single lens is concerned. I run marathons and use a wrist watch type Garmin GPS for my running. AND I can't see that darn tiny screen to save my life. I have been using a single soft contact lense in my right eye. It's a short focal (reading glasses equivalent) lense. A funny thing happens when I wear it. My right eye focuses perfect for the watch but then relaxes when I look up and my left eye becomes dominant for seeing distance. Nothing is out of focus. My eye doctor thought I would be running in circles with one lense but I wouldn't knows I had it in expect I can read the god watch perfectly. I've done the same for scuba diving as well with no problems
I prefer it to the lenses in my mask. Having said this tho, both activities last a maximum of 3 or 4 hrs. I don't know it would bother me to wear a single lense like that all day riding
Dan
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Well that has to be a better value than the dive shop! Where in WallyWorld do you find them? Thanks for passing that along for all of us suffering from 'long arm' disease :-)
Brian
I find them right where you find the readers typically near the pharmacy. You can also find them at Walgreens. Here they are on Amazon for $8.21:
http://www.amazon.com/OPTX-20-Stick-On-Bifocals-1-50/dp/B000W7CMW0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388728395&sr=8-1&keywords=stick-on+reading+lenses (http://www.amazon.com/OPTX-20-Stick-On-Bifocals-1-50/dp/B000W7CMW0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388728395&sr=8-1&keywords=stick-on+reading+lenses)
They are soft so you can even cut them into thinner strips if you want. Makes easy to read the LCD screen as well as the GPS.
If you want to pay more try this link. But it also gives more information than the Amazon link:
http://optx2020.com/p-38-hydrotac-stick-on-bifocal-2-pair-offer.aspx?gclid=COmvkZ-o4bsCFcsRMwodjRAArg (http://optx2020.com/p-38-hydrotac-stick-on-bifocal-2-pair-offer.aspx?gclid=COmvkZ-o4bsCFcsRMwodjRAArg)
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Have you tried these already ??
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Have you tried these already ??
Definitely. I used to have some prescription goggles for riding the bike but they were not bifocals. I used these stick on lenses to be able to read the GPS and they work great. I've since gotten new prescription goggles that are bifocals and I don't need them for that anymore but still use them in my SCUBA mask. They do come off from time to time in the mask but they just sit in the water at the bottom and I just re-attach for the next dive. The don't come off at all in dry goggles or sun glasses. You can get them in any power you need. In fact the optx2020.com deal is for 2 sets for $30 and can be different powers.
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Definitely. I used to have some prescription goggles
But you haven't tried on a helmet yet, I am assuming. I suppose it should be similar, but the distance between your eye and the lens will be much further than with glasses or goggles. As Brian says, that will change the focal length a lot (and I would guess one would need a much less powerful lens). Looks like they don't come any weaker than +1.25 diopter, though...
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I don't want to sound like an unwashed heathen, but does anyone just take their automotive GPS and Velcro it to a bracket? I know it would not work in the rain, but otherwise for us cheapskates, is it an option people use?
http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=7983.msg96385#msg96385 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=7983.msg96385#msg96385)
nuvi 760 with ball mount on the glove box door. Pop it off when it's raining. 90,000 kilometers. No problems.
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+1.25 diopter is actually quite weak. I am wearing those now looking at the screen and they work well for me at about.... (had to get measuring device) 30 inches or so. As I move them away from my face, they actually focus for me all the way to about 10" from the monitor so the useful range is really huge. I think I am willing to try one of these fellas in 1.25 on my helmet visor.
So again, where in WalMart do we get these things? Sporting goods? What are they sold to be used in / on? There is not a motorcycle section so it can't be there..... :-)
Brian
But you haven't tried on a helmet yet, I am assuming. I suppose it should be similar, but the distance between your eye and the lens will be much further than with glasses or goggles. As Brian says, that will change the focal length a lot (and I would guess one would need a much less powerful lens). Looks like they don't come any weaker than +1.25 diopter, though...
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Broz, I get it now ! I'm slow on the uptake when I'm working midnights haha
I actually have a pair of SMH10s and the dedicated Bell helmets to mount them in. As we are under several feet of snow up here I haven't played with them yet. My understanding was that they only pair with those high end waterproof M/C GPS units though. I've got an iPhone 5 that I was hoping to blue tooth up to them. Do you know if I can use a Garmin 3590 Nuvi and get them all talking to each other somehow. Remember please I'm absolutely illiterate when it comes to blue tooth and electronics
Dan
Canada-Dan
I don't know if that particular GPS u it will pair with the SMH10 but I am certain if it has a audio out jack ( for plugging in headphone) you could pair it if you buy the Sena SR10. You would plug the supplied cord from Sena SR-10 to the audio out jack on the GPS. You pair the SR10 with the SMH10 and bingo, you have turn by turn in your helmet. The SR10 has 2 audio-in jacks plus the cord for handheld radios (cord sold separately for specific radio brand one or two pin) and the push to talk button that straps to grips.
I prefer not to pair my GPS straight to the helmet Bluetooth (SMH10) but instead using the SR10. I do that so I can have more devices paired radar/ GPS/ Motorola (all thru SR10) and iPhone and (phone and music) thru SMH10. The key is using what they call "multi-point pairing". I do not want phone calls going thru the Zumo. Often when I'm ridding around town I don't even have my GPS on the bike but the SMH10 is always on my helmet so I can always have music & phone handy. Sorry for the long answer but the stuff is complicated and I wanted to fully explain what you can do with the devices.
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The SR10 from Sena seems quite the product. I just read up a bit and watched several video reviews. I'd really like to avoid all that still if I can. I'm trying to find a GPS that will Bluetooth up with my iPhone 5 and meet my needs. I'm pretty sure that when guys link the GPS to the phone the. He phone to the Sena SmH10 it's works that the GPS talks through the phone to the GPS. Or do I have it all ass back words ? Likely the case.
It's tough to find a newer quality GPS that has a headphone jack still
Dan
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Thanks Stephen. That aqua box appears to be the way to go. It looks like you get to use your auto GPS on the bike with virtually no disadvantages. I'm leaning towards the Nuvi 3590 or the 3597. Just trying to figure out the difference other than the $75 difference in price
Dan
Do note: i never park the bike with the GPS Screen in direct sunlight. I put a beanie over it to protect the screen.
I dont know that the auto versions with bluetooth will allow the directions to go through the BT FYI. The salesman that sold me mine said it was more to have the GPS act like a handsfree device for a phone... Like the speakerphone button works wonderfully for... Lol. He may have been wrong, but it doesnt really matter to me. YMMV.
Long story short, do your research on devices, look up the demensions on mine if you want to use the aqua box, and make sure the one you order is similar. Also, the aquabox WILL NOT work with and iphone/ android style touchscreen. It has to have the type where you push the top layer of the screen onto a second layer (oldschool touchscreen style)
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I use a app called CoPilot. A very nice GPS App. It is available for both Apple and Android. It only uses GPS signals. ie....NO data is used. Less than $10. Cheap, right in the middle of my price range. So in the end my phone is a GPS / Music player and phone which is all bluetoothed. I use a SlipGrip phone holder on a RAM Mount.
This is the best / most cost effective solution I have found.
Thanks for the info on the stick on readers. Thats going to be helpful.
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I use a app called CoPilot. A very nice GPS App. It is available for both Apple and Android. It only uses GPS signals. ie....NO data is used. Less than $10. Cheap, right in the middle of my price range. So in the end my phone is a GPS / Music player and phone which is all bluetoothed. I use a SlipGrip phone holder on a RAM Mount.
This is the best / most cost effective solution I have found.
Thanks for the info on the stick on readers. Thats going to be helpful.
I also use the CoPilot app with my Galaxy Note 3 along with a Sena bluetooth headset and it is great, no wires to mess with and I just grab my phone out of the mount when I park anywhere. I use it for everything, gps, streaming music and talk radio, mp3, weather reports (live radar), and of course making and recieving calls. I also use a free program, ITN Converter, on my laptop at home to plan trips as it allows me to save them in the right format to use with the CoPilot app. The ITN Converter program aslo lets you take other trips saved in other formats, Garmin, Tom Tom, etc., and save them for use in the CoPilot app. This is very useful when going on group ride events where people have submitted various ride routes. I love having the GPS app on my phone as it allows for use whenever I am travelling in any of my vehicles. As Bill_P said, it doesn't need a data connection to work, although there are added features when you do have a data connection like the search function. I got the app for $7.99 when it was on sale and have been using it the past year. I also use an app called Car Home Ultra on my phone and it gives me one touch access to music, GPS, etc. The Galaxy Note 3 is nice also in that it has a "glove" mode for the screen sensitivity so it works well even with leather gloves on. The other advantage is the screen is huge and is larger than most GPS screens.
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I've never heard of the CoPilot App before 2 days ago but you've really got me thinking now. I've been researching CoPilot aggressively now and it really seems like a viable option. Especially given the simplicity of having everything in one single unit as you just described.
The GPS unit that I'm entertaining is the Garmin 3597. Now without question a new flag ship GPS unit such as the 3597 is going to perform beautifully and do a few things that no phone can touch, but it seems that the simplicity of the CoPilot App within the phone is THE draw. I haven't seen anyone talking about the software compatibility re: trip planning and then down loading the trip to the App. A friend has one of the near $1000 dedicated M/C GPS units and brags of his ability to plan a trip on his IPad, then download the trip plan into his GPS. I'd be interested in hearing more about this feature. My trip, still in the plans phase will start in Ontario Canada and take us out to Colorado, down through Utah and Arizona and back up through New Mexico and back home over about 3 1/2 weeks. It will be a complicated trip to plan out and the proper software will go a long way in making this an easier task.
Thank you for this input. It is much appreciated.
Dan
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That is the way I normally use my GPSs- route the trip on a PC, then drop the route into a GPS. You do not need an expensive GPS to do this with either as almost all current and most previous model vehicle GPS devices accept routes.
Unfortunately I cannot address the IPad directly as I do not have one or use one. As I said, I use a PC and one of several software packages.
You basically need a vehicle GPS, a PC, a software package or an on- line program (readily available, and either free or very inexpensive) and a cable. That's it. Plan out the route, send it to the GPS, turn on the GPS (in GPS mode) and verifty the route on the GPS.
I personally use Microsoft Streets and Trips as my preferred software but it is unfortunately not without a few lumps. Then again, all the software packages that I know of have said lumps and basically you have to choose which ones you want to avoid the most.
A really slick part of doing this (laying out the route then sending it to a GPS) is that you can share the route with others. That too has its own lumps but they are not bad enough that it is not worthwhile to do anyway. The routes can be sent to others via e-mail or posted online to share them with others.
And by the way, laying out a long route on the GPS itself is HORRIBLE in my experience. The screen is too small and the resolution too low to do anything but frustrate yourself.
There is a lot of information on how to do this around, and if you want I can elaborate a bit on the specific method. Again, I cannot address how to do it with an Ipad though.
Brian
I haven't seen anyone talking about the software compatibility re: trip planning and then down loading the trip to the App. A friend has one of the near $1000 dedicated M/C GPS units and brags of his ability to plan a trip on his IPad, then download the trip plan into his GPS. I'd be interested in hearing more about this feature. My trip, still in the plans phase will start in Ontario Canada and take us out to Colorado, down through Utah and Arizona and back up through New Mexico and back home over about 3 1/2 weeks. It will be a complicated trip to plan out and the proper software will go a long way in making this an easier task.
Thank you for this input. It is much appreciated.
Dan
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Maybe a good time to remind you that although I'm very patient and a quick student, my first computer was a Vic 20 ! For those who remember the Vic 20 and Commador 64 you understand how some of this sounds pretty Greek to me.
My slow responses represent the time it takes me to look up the definitions to most of what is being discussed. It will take me long enough to become competent with whatever I decide to go with..... If I need to learn a few different systems before making my decision it'll take me longer than the 3 week trip itself ! Hahaha
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My first computer was an Atari 800 (the original, not the XL) so yes, I remember both of those well.
It does take some time to become familiar and comfortable with routing software and interfacing it with the GPS but there are many people around to help. Once you get going, there are plenty of tutorials online, quite a few video tutorials on Youtube and of course you can always ask here. There are also dedicated GPS forums that have some really well versed folks participating on them.
Best of luck.
Brian
Maybe a good time to remind you that although I'm very patient and a quick student, my first computer was a Vic 20 ! For those who remember the Vic 20 and Commador 64 you understand how some of this sounds pretty Greek to me.
My slow responses represent the time it takes me to look up the definitions to most of what is being discussed. It will take me long enough to become competent with whatever I decide to go with..... If I need to learn a few different systems before making my decision it'll take me longer than the 3 week trip itself ! Hahaha
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My first computer was an Atari 800 (the original, not the XL) so yes, I remember both of those well.
Mine was a CoCo I :)
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I just downloaded the CoPilot App. It took a few hours to down all the maps and info I guess. Unless I'm missing something it's no where near as good as a normal gps.
Now having said that there are very cool features. I clicked on a thing that took me to me photos stored on my iPad. I clicked on a photo I took in my driveway and it took me straight to my house from the photo alone. Kinda cool. Also the ability to see all the Wikipedia links for all the things and places on Wikipedia in any area could be useful.
But I say again it doesn't seem as good whatsoever as a normal full function dedicated gps unit
But having said those things I guess you still must keep in mind that it does have the route plotting features and like was said earlier the ability to share routes with a large group
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Canada-Dan, my apologizes if you think I miss lead you. CoPilot does have lane recommendations and most of the features of most GPS's. But at 1/100th of the cost and the ease of keeping up with just 1 electronic item is a BIG plus for me.
Many happy miles to ya!
I just downloaded the CoPilot App. It took a few hours to down all the maps and info I guess. Unless I'm missing something it's no where near as good as a normal gps.
Now having said that there are very cool features. I clicked on a thing that took me to me photos stored on my iPad. I clicked on a photo I took in my driveway and it took me straight to my house from the photo alone. Kinda cool. Also the ability to see all the Wikipedia links for all the things and places on Wikipedia in any area could be useful.
But I say again it doesn't seem as good whatsoever as a normal full function dedicated gps unit
But having said those things I guess you still must keep in mind that it does have the route plotting features and like was said earlier the ability to share routes with a large group
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I <think> that all three major auto GPS producers (Magellan, Tom Tom and Garmin) make their software available for smart phones for something like a one- time fee of $50. As I am the last human on Earth that does not have a smart phone I have not actually tried it but others have said that the phone apps act exactly like the hardware device the companies sell; put another way, the Garmin software on a smart phone allows the phone to look and work exactly like a Garmin. ?? Like I said, all hearsay so take it with a grain of salt.
Brian
Canada-Dan, my apologizes if you think I miss lead you. CoPilot does have lane recommendations and most of the features of most GPS's. But at 1/100th of the cost and the ease of keeping up with just 1 electronic item is a BIG plus for me.
Many happy miles to ya!
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I just downloaded the CoPilot App. It took a few hours to down all the maps and info I guess. Unless I'm missing something it's no where near as good as a normal gps.
Now having said that there are very cool features. I clicked on a thing that took me to me photos stored on my iPad. I clicked on a photo I took in my driveway and it took me straight to my house from the photo alone. Kinda cool. Also the ability to see all the Wikipedia links for all the things and places on Wikipedia in any area could be useful.
But I say again it doesn't seem as good whatsoever as a normal full function dedicated gps unit
But having said those things I guess you still must keep in mind that it does have the route plotting features and like was said earlier the ability to share routes with a large group
Did you download the free version or the paid version? I don't think the free version gives you turn by turn voice as well as other features? I use my CoPilot all the time and I ride with my brother a lot who has a very expensive Zumo and while not as good as the $500+ Zumo, the actual mapping and directions seems to work just as well. In fact, I would say on several occasions it actually worked better. It is also muuch easier to integrate GPS, music, and phone with the Sena bluetooth headsets, because everything is in one unit.
The only features that I am a little disappointed with is the speed limit and the ETA estimations, it only seems to be able to display the speed limits for interstate hiways and the like and not the rural roads where it is needed. The ETA always seems to be longer than actual untill you get close to your destination. Those two items aren't a deal breaker for me as the actual GPS mapping and directions works really well. I use the Android version, so I don't know if the Apple IOS version is the same? Hopefully, after you customize it and become used to how to use the features it will work for you.
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I <think> that all three major auto GPS producers (Magellan, Tom Tom and Garmin) make their software available for smart phones for something like a one- time fee of $50. As I am the last human on Earth that does not have a smart phone I have not actually tried it but others have said that the phone apps act exactly like the hardware device the companies sell; put another way, the Garmin software on a smart phone allows the phone to look and work exactly like a Garmin. ?? Like I said, all hearsay so take it with a grain of salt.
Brian
I don't believe there is a Garmin option for Android, they have some other apps, but not an actuall GPS app. I looked hi & lo for a good GPS app and tried many of them before getting the CoPilot app, albeit I haven't looked for one in the past year. Many of the GPS phone apps require a data connection, which just doesn't work well for the bike and the backroads.
I do think Garmin has an app for IOS though?
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I downloaded the Copilot US/Canada app today as well (for $11.00!!). I'm pretty much a beginner as far as GPS use goes; for the price, this is a pretty cheap experiment. I finally got a smart phone, but still dislike the idea of the cost of data use (old fashioned I suppose :) )so if this works anywhere close to as well as my old TomTom XLOne, I'll be thrilled!
Now if I could only get the sound quality of my Bowers and Wilkins P5 headphones in a Bluetooth setup, I'd be REALLY happy! 8)
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My main problem with usig cell phone GPS apps, is the cell phone cannot keep up with your actual location. So by the time it tells you to turn, or take an exit, you've already passed it. I dont know how many times that has gotten me. Especially on the motorcycle when I have my phone in my pocket giving me directions via headphone/ sena in an unfamiliar area.
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Quick update on the Monterra. Did a trip this last week, about 700ish total. One of the reported issues with the Monterra is routing and re routing. I had no problems at all, even at times intentionally taking a different route to see how it did re routing. Times were spot on, turns were spot on, and the unit was flawless, which gives me faith for my upcoming trip to AZ in March. No regrets at all.
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It was the free trial version that I downloaded.
Not impressed.
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I just looked at Garmin's site and you are right- they do not have actual navigation software for an Android. Iphone and Windows based phones but not Android. Odd because I would think that was a huge market- unless all the different versions of phones and the OS make it too complicated for them to publish Android versions?
Brian
I don't believe there is a Garmin option for Android, they have some other apps, but not an actuall GPS app. I looked hi & lo for a good GPS app and tried many of them before getting the CoPilot app, albeit I haven't looked for one in the past year. Many of the GPS phone apps require a data connection, which just doesn't work well for the bike and the backroads.
I do think Garmin has an app for IOS though?
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What is odd is Garmin is droid based. The Monterra just happens to be the first to have the Android based GPS capable of adding other apps. The prime app for the Monterra is Garmin Outdoor Adventures (GOA).
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.garmin.android.obn.client&hl=en&rdid=com.garmin.android.obn.client
There is this, but it is a fee based program, and oddly, one I can't load to my Galaxy S3 :o
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Garmin is lackluster at best compared to google maps and such, and we want to put it on our phones? Maybe i need to read further back in the thread and figure out whats up LoL
Has anyone looked at this mac daddy below?
1. Sygic: GPS Navigation Maps (Free) http://www.heavy.com/tech/2013/07/top-best-gps-apps-for-android-2013/ (http://www.heavy.com/tech/2013/07/top-best-gps-apps-for-android-2013/)
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OK but I believe the full featured Garmin smartphone navigation software is actually Garmin StreetPilot, and I think it is something like $50, one- time fee. I believe it duplicates the function of modern Garmin GPSs on a smartphone, and holds the data on the phone so no cell tower link is needed to navigate.
Again, take this with a grain of salt because I have not used any smartphone navigation software and do not even have a smartphone. This information comes from others who are using it and are familiar with Garmin auto GPS standalone units- at least some claim it is about the same thing. If so, it would be a great value for $50 provided one already had a smartphone.
Brian
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.garmin.android.obn.client&hl=en&rdid=com.garmin.android.obn.client
There is this, but it is a fee based program, and oddly, one I can't load to my Galaxy S3 :o
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So many great free GPS apps out there not requiring cell signal, I can't imagine cursing my droid with Garmin anything on it ;D
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Will Google maps route in real time and give turn- by- turn directions on a smartphone? If so, that would be great. Assuming one could load the map data completely on the phone and not depend on cell towers. ??
This thread is about someone asking what to buy for a stand- alone GPS. The subject of using a smartphone with active GPS software and an on-board GPS receiver cropped up and that is what we are kicking around. I think.... ;D
Brian
Garmin is lackluster at best compared to google maps and such, and we want to put it on our phones? Maybe i need to read further back in the thread and figure out whats up LoL
Has anyone looked at this mac daddy below?
1. Sygic: GPS Navigation Maps (Free) http://www.heavy.com/tech/2013/07/top-best-gps-apps-for-android-2013/ (http://www.heavy.com/tech/2013/07/top-best-gps-apps-for-android-2013/)
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Please elaborate a bit on this Steve- a lot of us are quite interested in alternative hardware to motorcycle GPS's.
If there was a tablet out there that was daylight readable, ran Windoze OS, and did not cost over a grand, I would have one and be using Streets and Trips with a GPS receiver..... that is the best routing / planning / turn- by- turn direction software that I am aware of.
Brian
So many great free GPS apps out there not requiring cell signal, I can't imagine cursing my droid with Garmin anything on it ;D
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Please elaborate a bit on this Steve- a lot of us are quite interested in alternative hardware to motorcycle GPS's.
If there was a tablet out there that was daylight readable, ran Windoze OS, and did not cost over a grand, I would have one and be using Streets and Trips with a GPS receiver..... that is the best routing / planning / turn- by- turn direction software that I am aware of.
Brian
Its funny you mention the above. One of the guys in Death Valley I rode with (owns a Dakar racing shop and will soon receive my suspension) uses an ipad mini tablet while offroading. He mentioned he needs reading glasses to see a small screen but the tablet is perfect. I'll try and find out what apps are available and how the heck he mounted it to withstand the brutal terrain we were in.
Look at Sygic for droid. Just peek at it.... Most rate it #1 and swear by it. I haven't loaded it yet but many have shown it to me on their droids because Garmin is turning everyone into haters ;D
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Will Google maps route in real time and give turn- by- turn directions on a smartphone?
Yes
BUT
You are not asking the right question: Will Google Maps allow you to provide a self-determined route that will give turn-by-turn directions?
NO !
Google Maps apps on iPhone (and Android?) has been hamstrung by Google deliberately.
There is a comment (complaint) thread on Google for just this topic:
https://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/d/msgid/maps/f836f8de-98dd-453e-a856-fe44996c590a%40googleproductforums.com. (https://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/d/msgid/maps/f836f8de-98dd-453e-a856-fe44996c590a%40googleproductforums.com.)
I have bought Garmin's apps for iPhone. I read reviews that could not clearly state routes could be programmed into the apps. And I bought anyway. At this point, do not bother.
My best results for using an iPhone app to follow a route is: NONE!
Right now I use Google Maps on the iPhone into my Sena FM5 Bluetooth headset for turn-by-turn directions between destinations. As I deviate from the route to go 'the fun way', the app will say 'recalculating' and offer to get me back onto its route.
I would really, really like to see My Places in Google be supported in their iPhone app.
But, I am not holding my breath. I can turn Blue just be going outside in Wisconsin for 5 minutes...
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One of the guys in Death Valley I rode with uses an ipad mini tablet while offroading. He mentioned he needs reading glasses to see a small screen but the tablet is perfect. I'll try and find out what apps are available and how the heck he mounted it to withstand the brutal terrain we were in.
FYI: I have also placed an iPad in my clear plastic map holder of my tank bag as a trial. The iPad stopped working when it would get too hot being sealed inside. Not enough ventilation.
My iPhone sits inside my riding jacket pocket most of the time. Or, I keep it in an OtterBox protective case that floats better than I do. Or, I put the iPhone in a fairing pocket connected to a USB charger in my power outlet mod.
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"Droid" is a trademark name of Verizon. It is a brand name of few particular phone models, it is not an OS. Android is a version of Linux that runs on phones. Very few Android devices or phones are a "Droid", regardless of carrier.
Google Maps requires a data connection to at least cache maps. If an area is cached, it can use GPS only and show you where you are without a data connection, but will not search and will not give routing directions; that requires a live data connection. I wish it could, because there are so many reasonably inexpensive Android devices and Google Maps displays maps so much better and more readable than any dedicated GPS device I have seen yet.
There are several non-free apps that will support offline routing, "Garmin Navigator" is one, but I have never used it nor any other commercial one.
There are two free Android mapping programs that will do routing without a data connection (that I know of). I have never used either so have no idea how good or bad they are. One is OsmAnd https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.osmand the other is NavFree https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navfree.android.OSM.USA
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Pardon me max. I used droid as synonymous with Android. The "Droid" is an Android based phone.
Go **** in a forum where you are a moderator at. Thanks.
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I read that quickly and thought you meant me! Then again, I am used to hearing stuff like that lately so maybe I am just conditioned like Pavlov's dog.... ;)
First line on Wikipedia about 'Droid' is: "The Motorola Droid (GSM/UMTS version: Motorola Milestone) is an Internet and multimedia enabled smartphone designed by Motorola, which runs Google's Android operating system."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Droid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Droid)
But all the way back to the beginning of the idea of using a smartphone (of any make or OS) as a substitute GPS, are there any smartphones that are daylight readable yet anyway? I assume they are on the way (7 billion people on Earth, 100 billion smartphones being used per second in the US by car drivers alone, 1/2 of our day is sunlit- it has to happen) but have not heard of any yet.
There is a tablet that is daylight readable, runs the MS OS so it could run third party software such as Streets and Trips but they are just too expensive at this time. Not waterproof either but that can be fixed, the daylight readable thing cannot, at least in my experience.
Brian
Pardon me max. I used droid as synonymous with Android. The "Droid" is an Android based phone.
Go **** in a forum where you are a moderator at. Thanks.
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Pardon me max. I used droid as synonymous with Android. The "Droid" is an Android based phone.
Go **** in a forum where you are a moderator at. Thanks.
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lmao, everyone calls android phones "droid", no matter who the patent holder is.
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lmao, everyone calls android phones "droid", no matter who the patent holder is.
Well, not everyone.
BTW, Motorola/Verizon had to buy the trademark rights to use the term "Droid" from Lucasfilm. (As in "These aren't the droids you're looking for." )
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What is odd is Garmin is droid based. The Monterra just happens to be the first to have the Android based GPS capable of adding other apps. The prime app for the Monterra is Garmin Outdoor Adventures (GOA).
The Monterra is Android based.
Not sure why you say "Garmin is droid based". I believe the only other Android based hardware product that Garmin has released (at least in the US) was the A-50 smartphone developed in a joint venture with Asus and sold by T-Mobile.
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BTW, Motorola/Verizon had to buy the trademark rights to use the term "Droid" from Lucasfilm. (As in "These aren't the droids you're looking for." )
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/these_are_not_the_droids.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/these_are_not_the_droids.jpg.html)
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Bunch of politically correct geeks with your droid and android jargon. Love my iPhone, **** on those android phones. And I think I will be giving that one GPS app a try, figure worth a shot for $10. Great to hear Pappy that the Monterra is working out great for you. :thumbs:
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The Monterra is Android based.
Not sure why you say "Garmin is droid based". I believe the only other Android based hardware product that Garmin has released (at least in the US) was the A-50 smartphone developed in a joint venture with Asus and sold by T-Mobile.
Spoke up too soon, the Montana runs the Android OS and Magellan has one as well. Runs in the background and apps can't be added, unlike the Monterra, which runs as if it were a smart phone, just shy of a phone.
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(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb336/jaywilcox/these_are_not_the_droids.jpg) (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/jaywilcox/media/these_are_not_the_droids.jpg.html)
I think they photoshopped the joint out of that photo. Look at the way he's holding his hand, and his eyes....
If that dude's not baked, I'll kiss your arse :)
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Pardon me max. I used droid as synonymous with Android.
Well it is incorrect. Would be like calling all top boxes "Givi's."
The "Droid" is an Android based phone.
Yes, and my Concours uses a Mitsubishi ECU/brain, but the bike isn't called a "Mitsu". (Kinda lame example, but it gets the point across).
Go **** in a forum where you are a moderator at. Thanks.
Yeesh, so hostile/nasty!! Not typical for you at all. There was nothing mean, nasty, rude, or "moderatory" about my posting. Unlike yours.
I simply pointed out an incorrect term, and without quoting or directing at anyone, and why it is incorrect, then addressed the topic at hand. If a thread had postings calling the Concours' ECU by the wrong term/name several times, someone would probably point out the correct name. Computers and operating systems are my field.
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What a troll ::)
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What a troll ::)
I am not a troll nor was I trolling. It was not meant to be inflammatory or evoke any response whatsoever. And intent is key to whether something is a troll or not (unless it is just accidental).
You are apparently determined to believe what you want without giving me any benefit of the doubt. So nothing I say will make any difference on this, anyway. However, if you did think I was trolling (which I was not) then the correct best response would be to simply ignore me.
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Not cool to be regularly correcting people or be condescending, that seems to be what I am picking up at times whether intent or not. Droid Android car vehicle automobile bike motorcycle motorbike engine motor boat ship vessel gun firearm pistol boobs jugs breasts GPS Garmin monkey primate water H2O.......yadda yadda yadda. :banghead:
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lmao, everyone calls android phones "droid", no matter who the patent holder is.
That is absolutely correct. :chugbeer: :chugbeer:
Everyone may not say it but most everyone knows or should know what they mean when they say 'droid' in this context and not correct someone for correctly using the word.
Back to the topic. Maybe you guys could try WAZE. https://www.waze.com/ (https://www.waze.com/)
It is free for all smartphones, Iphones,Ipads, Windows based phones and of course 'droid' based phones and pda's.
If you think me using the word 'droid' is wrong when referring to a smart phone when it means: 'Google's Android Operating System for Smartphones' or simply 'droid' for short which has been now ported over to PDA's, laptop's and home pc's, media players (ChromeCast is just one tiny example)and arm band sized wrist devices (Sony), automobiles, eyeglasses and on and on. All these devices can and often are coined as 'Droid' based. Maybe not by every single person. Yes, to be correct we should say these are all 'Android' based but come on, lighten up. You knew and we knew exactly what he meant. Yes, some of us are aware that Motorola does make a phone called 'Droid' but so what. We all know what it means. This is a motorcycle forum is it not?
Also you should be sure of your facts before correcting others:
DROID is a trademark of Lucasfilm, Ltd. and its related companies and not Verizon or Motorola.
You also stated: I simply pointed out an incorrect term, and without quoting or directing at anyone,
yet in the same post you quoted him directly and then you wonder why he would be agitated.
Now that was funny: Droid Android car vehicle automobile bike motorcycle motorbike engine motor boat ship vessel gun firearm pistol boobs jugs breasts GPS Garmin monkey primate water H2O.......yadda yadda yadda. :stirpot: :stirpot:
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Also you should be sure of your facts before correcting others because you are wrong:
DROID is a trademark of Lucasfilm, Ltd. and its related companies and not Verizon or Motorola.
Perhaps you should too. Verizon licenses the name for use on a few models, but they license it so that it can be used as a trademark for their product. Thus, it is also Verizon trademark. And as bonus information, Verizon has applied that brand name to non-Motorola models also.
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My neighbor brought her two boys over for me to watch before the school bus this morning.
They are 8 & 10 and they fight and bicker like crazy. A little embarrassing how they can't get along
Seems it was a good warm up for me after all.
This thread doesn't seem so bad.....
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Yeah, but this one isn't even bad.... trust me on that Dan :-) A lot of us have strong personalities and sooner or later, someone rubs someone else the wrong way. Being behind a keyboard makes it worse because of a couple of things 1) no human contact so no facial expressions or anything else to temper the written words. People take things differently and usually worse than they were meant I think. and 2) there is an anonymous feeling to being linked to each other by the 'Net. Not everyone but some people act a bit differently than they would in person.
At any rate, think of it as walking through a beautiful park on the perfect day.... of course there is the occasional pile of dog.... droppings. So enjoy the park and the day and try to stay away from the droppings. Even so, once in a while you will step in one of them. On rare occasions (for most people), we trip and fall down into said droppings.
But there is a lot of good information to be had from decent forums, usually moderated forums, and good ones are worth the occasional droppings.
Now, about that GPS thingy.... :-)
Brian
My neighbor brought her two boys over for me to watch before the school bus this morning.
They are 8 & 10 and they fight and bicker like crazy. A little embarrassing how they can't get along
Seems it was a good warm up for me after all.
This thread doesn't seem so bad.....
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Hahaha thanks Brian...... Something,,Something,, GPS ??
Is this the right time or place to ask a question or should I start a new post for it, you tell me.
I've got a new set of Sena SMH10's to be mounted into a set of brand spankin' new Bell Mag-9 Sena helmets. It's been a tad snowy and chilly here so I won't be trying them out till spring.
I'm trying to come up with the best operating system incorporating the Sena SMH10. I want music and at least a 5" GPS that can talk to me through the Sena headset.
I have a new iPhone 5 but I don't think talking on cell phone and operating a motorcycle at the same time is safe, so I have no intention of using the phone part but I understand the iPhone may play a part in the overall system.
We do NOT want to spend the cash on the dedicated M/C GPS units. I would like a modern enough GPS that I can play with routes on my ipad and import those routes to the GPS. Not to offend anyone but I'm of the thought that a dedicated GPS does a better job than a multitasking phone so I'd like to stick with an actual GPS unit.
Wondering what guys are using with the Sena SMH10's with positive results.
Dan
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My Sena is for rider to rider conversation and jamming my iTunes. My current GPS does not connect to my headset, and not sure I really even have a need for that. I have in fact taken several conversations on the phone with my sena while on the bikes, and it honestly is less intrusive and easier for me than in the car bluetooth system. I may checkout one of these cool GPS aps for my iPhone, if anything else it would be a great backup in case my GPS took a crap.
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Back when I did the daily commute thing I found wired to work much better, same for longer trips. I have the Chatterbox Slim XB1 know and use it when solo and have a setup for charging it at night off of the bike. Stream music and comms with multiple riders without the need for pairing. I still need to figure out why my Monterra won't pair with the Chatterbox, but once it does I will have the music and directions in my ears :)
I can certainly understand not wanting to drop the big coin on a MC specific unit, been there, done that, but in the end I believe a dedicated unit will end be a bigger value. As Brian said, sunlight readable, waterproof, and glove friendly. Check http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=836754 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=836754) for any possible deals on a GPS.
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The iPhone app is a good idea as a back up for the back up for the map hahaha
I've always been in favor of the cell phone laws while driving in Canada but I guess the intercom is really no different that a traditional Bluetooth car phone set up
We may end up with a full featured GPS that doesn't talk to us and using the phone for music as you do.
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Yep, that's the way to read it..... By the way, I've been around here a long, long time (long on the C-14 side, not the C-10 side) and know a lot of these folks pretty well I think, and they are a good bunch. I have met some in person but only know most through the forum but still, true personalities come through after a while even in print I think.
Not for me to decide where [what] goes, that would be up to the moderators. But seeing as you want to tie it into a GPS and sort of make a package, it would seem to be reasonably on- topic to me. ??
Unfortunately I cannot help you with the wireless aspect and have no opinion. I am a wired guy for a bunch of reasons. Nothing wrong with wireless, I just found wired works better and more consistently, at least in my own use and the way I use my audio hardware. But others here are familiar with most audio systems it seems so I am sure you will get some good advice.
Brian
Hahaha thanks Brian...... Something,,Something,, GPS ??
Is this the right time or place to ask a question or should I start a new post for it, you tell me.
I've got a new set of Sena SMH10's to be mounted into a set of brand spankin' new Bell Mag-9 Sena helmets. It's been a tad snowy and chilly here so I won't be trying them out till spring.
I'm trying to come up with the best operating system incorporating the Sena SMH10. I want music and at least a 5" GPS that can talk to me through the Sena headset.
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Dan
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So, got the GPS paired with the Chatterbox (CB). The issue was the phone uses both the hands free and audio channels on the CB. Turned off the phones Bluetooth (BT) and they paired right up. I have no desire to take or make calls on the bike so this is the perfect setup for me. I have things setup to charge at night when I setup camp in the tooleys from the bikes power. Things are looking up for my AZBDR trip in March ;D ;D ;D
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I can certainly understand not wanting to drop the big coin on a MC specific unit, been there, done that, but in the end I believe a dedicated unit will end be a bigger value.
Sometimes I think I am crazy to have spent what I did on the Zumo. It does have some very nice, compelling features, but it doesn't seem to be priced all that sane compared to the other non-MC units out there. But... supply and demand. They can and do draw customers, even at the high price. And like you, I can attest that it is generally a better solution for what it does to have a dedicated type unit.
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Yeah, but this one isn't even bad.... trust me on that Dan :-)
On its worst days, this forum is better than most forums are on their best days. That says a lot.
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Sometimes I think I am crazy to have spent what I did on the Zumo. It does have some very nice, compelling features, but it doesn't seem to be priced all that sane compared to the other non-MC units out there. But... supply and demand. They can and do draw customers, even at the high price. And like you, I can attest that it is generally a better solution for what it does to have a dedicated type unit.
My wife thought I was nuts buying the 550, I don't even want to know what she thinks about that + the Montana and Monterra. Don't even mention the 24k Topos or City Navigator North America (x2), and the lifetime maps for the 550. Add in a total of 4 RINOs, and an ETrex 30. Lucky for me the 24k Topos are unlocked and can be used on multiple units.
Some may ask why so many? If I were doing %100 paved trips I would only have the 550, but I don't and I like being able to overlay Birds Eye and topo for my off road adventures. The Montanas biggest shortcoming is no wireless audio, which is big on a DS, too much off seat (and occasional off bike) time. The Montana also has issues with sat reception in the thicker bits of trail. The Monterra fixed these two issues and gave me much more, in a far easier to use system. Like Brian, I always travel with a backup GPS, which is where the ETrex comes in handy, I also use the ETrex on the dirt bike when I am exploring new single track.
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My wife thought I was nuts buying the 550[...]Some may ask why so many? If I were doing %100 paved trips I would only have the 550, but I don't and I like being able to overlay Birds Eye and topo for my off road adventures.[...]
My biggest complaint about the Zumo is that I just find it very difficult to figure out where I am at times. I tend to keep a map in my head and sometimes I just need to zoom out enough to get my bearings and it can be a bit frustrating and slow to zoom out enough and back and even when zoomed out, the tiny screen's map seems to not offer enough landmarks and detail for me to "get it". I have the same problem sometimes with the G37's GPS, although not as badly (probably because it is a larger screen). I don't have that problem ever with Google Maps.... even on a tiny phone screen. I have even been known to whip out the phone at a rest just to get a better idea of what the hell did I do, but would not really want to have my phone mounted there instead of the Zumo. So I "get" (understand) why someone would want to use/have multiple devices... each has their own strengths and weaknesses and nothing is perfect. [The Zumo's routing and other features work very well]. I doubt ANY device would ever make me really happy, but I tend to be really demanding (and even picky, if you can believe that... nah, you can't believe that).
Since I don't travel with purpose a lot, I usually just don't care. I just drive around and explore, confident I won't ever get lost because I can just press "home" or whatnot and get routed back easily (or enter a destination and get there too). That is one of the best things about GPS, losing the fear of getting lost or not being able to find something.
I hate to admit it, but if they came out with a Zumo that had a much larger screen, was faster, and some other features I would like, I would probably drop a big coin on it without much thought.
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Tried out the Copilot app and it gave precise turn-by-turn directions. It seems pretty good to me (especially considering the price!). While it may not suit everyone (esp. those riding off-road) I'm going to give it a more thorough tryout in the hope that it will be good enough for me.
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It has been my experience that CoPilot is only as good as the GPS receiver built into a phone. I to have had good results with this app. Like most things these day. It takes a little fumbling around to figure out all of the features. One of the nice things about Copilot is that the maps are updated routinely. Currently I am looking forward to the Sena 20S which is 4.0 bluetooth (version on my phone). Then my search for a M/C entertainment / communication system will be complete.
Tried out the Copilot app and it gave precise turn-by-turn directions. It seems pretty good to me (especially considering the price!). While it may not suit everyone (esp. those riding off-road) I'm going to give it a more thorough tryout in the hope that it will be good enough for me.
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It has been my experience that CoPilot is only as good as the GPS receiver built into a phone. I to have had good results with this app. Like most things these day. It takes a little fumbling around to figure out all of the features. One of the nice things about Copilot is that the maps are updated routinely. Currently I am looking forward to the Sena 20S which is 4.0 bluetooth (version on my phone). Then my search for a M/C entertainment system will be complete.
Thats only seems NICE (instead of expected or normal) because Garmin blows bahaha
Garmin set the gps/map standards so low its crazy. And something that should be done by all seems "nice" =)
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This is one of the most basic things to consider about buying a GPS for motorcycle use IMO.
A lot of people just use a GPS casually, exactly as you mention. This is all fine and well, is no doubt the biggest group of users, and it really kicks the door open IMO to using the 'wrong' type (car) of GPS, or a cell phone, and everything else.
On the other hand, I bank on my GPS and need it to work and work efficiently and correctly. I need to see it in sunlight. I am counting on it to get me somewhere, often someplace I am not familiar with, in a fixed amount of time. On top of that, I use it to find things along the way, the most important being fuel. That is why I carry multiple GPS's with me on trips as Chet mentioned and why I get pretty cranky when they fail.... and I have had so very many fail (over 20 now). I have had them fail in far away places while depending on them to get me somewhere. I have had them fail in foreign countries while depending on them getting me to / from work and my hotel! Not good.
And that is where the value comes in. I would be the first one to suggest that the casual user use a cheap automotive GPS with a baggie thrown over it in the rain, or put in a weatherproof box (cheaply available). But if a person is going to really count on a GPS on a bike to get somewhere, I usually suggest a daylight readable screen, weatherproof GPS and the motorcycle units are really one of the few options in that arena.
I was telling the story of how I went through GPS after GPS at one of my first COG social events, a meet and greet in New Jersey. Now we were all sitting there laughing about it and I am sure some people thought I was telling tales..... When we walked outside, I could not get my few week old (!!!) Zumo 550 to power up! I handed it to one of the guys who had been thinking I was exaggerating (it happened to be Cap'n Bob actually) and asked him to power it up. He could not. Now I was in New Jersey, three states away from home, and had no idea where I was (road speaking) or how to get home. I whipped out ANOTHER GPS, powered it up and tie- wrapped it to the Zumo mount and made it back alive. I always travel with two functional, working GPSs but if going a long way, I carry three.
Brian
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Since I don't travel with purpose a lot, I usually just don't care. I just drive around and explore, confident I won't ever get lost because I can just press "home" or whatnot and get routed back easily (or enter a destination and get there too).
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Well... I reached my conclusion today. After considering the advice of everyone on here as we'll as several other forums I finally purchased a Zumo 350LM.
GPSCITY.ca has the Zumo 350LM on sale right now for $499 + free over night shipping.
By the time I added up all the things that come free with the Zumo 350LM it seemed to me that was the bargain after all.
Thank you all for you input and advice
Dan
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I just installed the heated grips and snapped a picture of that install and the GPS as well.
I don't have the GPS wired up yet. I haven't decided if I will take it to the fuse block of take it to the battery tender lead instead
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Just wanted to update everyone. This unit is NOT ready for prime time. Drops signal way too often and even chooses which language you need directions in.
Unless you really want a new gadget/expensive MP3 player/battery operated fish weight do not buy it yet. Once things work as they should I will report back.
Garmin, shame on you.!!!!
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Here's my solution. Twin TomToms.
Total cost including install for both, about $50 and a couple hours time for everything.
Older TomToms used a Windows Fat32 file system (Microsoft sued and now they are Linux).
They are easy to modify and update to any version Navicore operating system. These are cloned to TomTom Rider.The Rider version improves the touch screen for use with gloves, gives a hot icon for most used functions, large buttons, and more. They have a SiRF Star III gps chips which are by far the best for locking and holding a signal. They have a SD card slot and with a 16gig card you can hold more maps then you could ever ride. The latest maps are readily available and can be downloaded and installed from a PC with no charge. Once you have a operating system "image" they can be cloned in 20minutes. I just bought a 3rd off ebay for $15, that makes them a "throw away". So far I haven't had any issues with failures with about 3000miles on the original one. I see no reason to pay $100s for a gps.
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I forgot to mention the TT One XLS also have integrated blue tooth.
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Ouch!!!!! And nice :)
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Just wanted to update everyone. This unit is NOT ready for prime time. Drops signal way too often and even chooses which language you need directions in.
Unless you really want a new gadget/expensive MP3 player/battery operated fish weight do not buy it yet. Once things work as they should I will report back.
Garmin, shame on you.!!!!
Had a feeling you would end up not liking that GPS. ;)
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Had a feeling you would end up not liking that GPS. ;)
I really want to like it.... I am holding my breath that Garmin will fix their Outdoor App as that is what is causing the issues. Everything else works as it should. Once they do it will be an awesome, just short of must have GPS for long distance ADV Riders. Much easier to learn than the Montana, GLONASS sat reception, and Bluetooth.
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I you are looking for an iPhone based GPS app you might consider what I am using...
http://drive.motionx.com/iphone/overview/ (http://drive.motionx.com/iphone/overview/)
The unique thing about this app is that Pioneer and JVC support this with some of their automobile head units. I can take my phone and have GPS capability both audio and display in my truck and car through the head units. The turn by voice subscription is $10 per year. I am very impressed how well this works in my autos. It works with my Sena SMH-10 too. The down side for motorcycle use is the limitation of the phone display in direct sunlight.
Mark