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The C-14, aka Kawasaki Concours-14, the new one :) => Accessories and modifications - C14/GTR 1400 => Topic started by: RideBellChain on July 27, 2013, 12:17:18 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200939783426 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200939783426)
Can't wait to see this at night, with my other green accent lights!
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:popcorn:
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Illegal and unsafe
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$7? ::)
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Boy this is a tough audience. Like taking a dump in your sandbox. Like to see them at night.
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Boy this is a tough audience. Like taking a dump in your sandbox. Like to see them at night.
Damn pussies.
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Damn pussies.
Indeed GP, and not even trimmed... :o
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Had them installed for a while now and have had nothing but safe rides since .....
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Had them installed for a while now and have had nothing but safe rides since .....
Perhaps safe for YOU but not necessarily for other people, one day one of whom might see a green light instead of a red one at a traffic stop. There are good reasons it is illegal. Don't be surprised if you are eventually ticketed.
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Perhaps safe for YOU but not necessarily for other people, one day one of whom might see a green light instead of a red one at a traffic stop. There are good reasons it is illegal. Don't be surprised if you are eventually ticketed.
It may be illegal in VA and I would be very surprised if you have actually researched the laws of all 50 states. But here is the Florida State Statutes regarding vehicles and traffic laws. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/0316ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2012&Title=%2D%3E2012%2D%3EChapter%20316 (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/0316ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2012&Title=%2D%3E2012%2D%3EChapter%20316)
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Thanks... Very helpful! :banghead:
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It may be illegal in VA
And probably all other 50 states
and I would be very surprised if you have actually researched the laws of all 50 states. But here is the Florida State Statutes regarding vehicles and traffic laws. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/0316ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2012&Title=%2D%3E2012%2D%3EChapter%20316 (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/0316ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2012&Title=%2D%3E2012%2D%3EChapter%20316)
And here is your answer:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.224.html (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.224.html)
"(1) Front clearance lamps, identification lamps, and those marker lamps and reflectors mounted on the front or on the side near the front of a vehicle shall display or reflect an amber color.
(2) Rear clearance lamps, identification lamps, and those marker lamps and reflectors mounted on the rear or on the sides near the rear of a vehicle shall display or reflect a red color.
(3) All lighting devices and reflectors mounted on the rear of any vehicle shall display or reflect a red color, except the stop light or other signal device, which may be red, amber, or yellow, and except that the light illuminating the license plate shall be white and the light emitted by a backup lamp shall be white or amber. "
Similar would be http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.235.html (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.235.html)
"316.235 Additional lighting equipment.—
(1) Any motor vehicle may be equipped with not more than two side cowl or fender lamps which shall emit an amber or white light without glare."
Besides, it is just common sense that putting green lights on a vehicle is a bad idea.
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"(1) Front clearance lamps, identification lamps, and those marker lamps and reflectors mounted on the front or on the side near the front of a vehicle shall display or reflect an amber color.
"316.235 Additional lighting equipment.—
(1) Any motor vehicle may be equipped with not more than two side cowl or fender lamps which shall emit an amber or white light without glare."
If front facing must be amber, then the OEM white is also illegal??
The OEM city lights are not "side cowl or fender lamps"
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If front facing must be amber, then the OEM white is also illegal??
The OEM city lights are not "side cowl or fender lamps"
The way this is written... yes. But, I'd bet that argument would be easier than if you tried green... or blue, purple, red, teal or plaid.
I have a red city lamp inside the headlight housing on my Duc, but it's so hard to see that it's never been an issue... tho I can't say I didn't know it was illegal to have on the front. It's risk management... as long as you understand that you COULD get a ticket for it, and are prepared for those consequences IF they happen, then do what you like.
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If front facing must be amber, then the OEM white is also illegal??
The OEM city lights are not "side cowl or fender lamps"
No, because it says, ") Front clearance lamps, identification lamps, and those marker lamps." That isn't talking about headlights.
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No, because it says, ") Front clearance lamps, identification lamps, and those marker lamps." That isn't talking about headlights.
But city lights are front-facing... and not headlights. They weren't looking at our bike when they wrote this law.
Essentially, don't ride a Connie in Florida. Not enough hills, anyway.
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That isn't talking about headlights.
Neither was I ...... the whole thread is about the front facing city lights in the center, between the headlights.
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I'll take my chances...although I'd like to understand how they are "dangerous"?
I doubt they'll even be noticable with my HID's and the other lights I have on the fender...and if I do get pulled over, I'll tell that cop that ZG likes it...and I'm sure he'll say "Have a great ride!"
:)
These CREE LED's are freakin' bright! Both the city lights and the running lights...don't you agree?
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It seems if you want the exact same bulbs/LEDs in white (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.X+T10+1W+CREE+Q5+W5W+194&_nkw=+T10+1W+CREE+Q5+W5W+194&_sacat=0&_from=R40) that the price goes way up. Green or blue $6~$7, white $48.88.
Whats up with that? Did ZG inquire about white ones and drive up the price? ;D
I have LED street lights, but even accounting for how inaccurate some LED photos can be for depicting real world
brightness, I gotta say that R'BellChain's green ones seem very bright. I'd like those in white.
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I'll take my chances...although I'd like to understand how they are "dangerous"?
Because it is [illegally] displaying a color reserved for traffic lights that universally means "go". If you are sitting at a traffic light in the front row [illegally] displaying a green light, someone opposite might glance up and see it and decide to go.
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It seems if you want the exact same bulbs/LEDs in white (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.X+T10+1W+CREE+Q5+W5W+194&_nkw=+T10+1W+CREE+Q5+W5W+194&_sacat=0&_from=R40) that the price goes way up. [illegal] green or blue $6~$7, white $48.88.
Whats up with that?
That is odd. The white ones should not be more expensive.
I have LED street lights, but even accounting for how inaccurate some LED photos can be for depicting real world brightness, I gotta say that R'BellChain's [illegal] green ones seem very bright. I'd like those in white.
You can't really tell how bright they are from a photo like that. Only if you had the original ones next to it would a comparison be valid. Otherwise, there is nothing to compare to- anything will look bright if the camera opens the iris up. Angle is another important consideration.
Anyway, I would want them in YELLOW, which is not only legal, like white, but an excellent idea, because displaying the contrasting color will help with visibility. But I tried yellow LED city lights a long time ago, and they were pitiful- considerably less bright than plain incandescent yellow bulbs (which is what I ended up using). I am happy with the color, but want something at least double the brightness. That is when I changed the turn signals to stay on full time on the front, acting as running lights, then blinking OFF to act as turn signals (I searched for the thread but the broken search on this forum can't even find it anymore :( ). I tried LED in those too, and it was also a miserable failure, so still waiting for someone to make something reasonable.
Much of the LED lighting out there is really crap- poor quality, poor light distribution, and full of outright lies and misinformation. Take this for example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-pcs-Amber-Yellow-T10-7W-Cree-High-Power-Projector-License-LED-Light-Bulbs-194-/171071351546?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27d4a5aafa&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-pcs-Amber-Yellow-T10-7W-Cree-High-Power-Projector-License-LED-Light-Bulbs-194-/171071351546?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27d4a5aafa&vxp=mtr)
Do you REALLY think they are 7 watts? Of course not. 7 watts in a T10 package is highly improbable due to lack of heat dissipation, plus this show only ONE LED, no single LED at that price is 7 watts. Then right below that they claim "180 degree light output", and if you look at the photos, it is obviously less than 45 degrees. Makes me angry.
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You can't really tell how bright they are from a photo like that. Only if you had the original ones next to it would a comparison be valid. Otherwise, there is nothing to compare to- anything will look bright if the camera opens the iris up. Angle is another important consideration.
I agree, and I mentioned that, however I sorta/kinda trust R'BellChain's description and I know roughly how bright his other lights are
and I know the pitiful LED city lights that I have would never show up like that in comparison unless some time lapse and other photo magic was involved.
.....as for the search feature Max', you'll be much happier with the results from the advanced search: Maxtog's runnin' lights (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=2236.msg25583#msg25583)
and if you've got time on your hands, and are willing to add LEDs, and you don't want ballast resistors: http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=10335.msg126212#msg126212 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=10335.msg126212#msg126212)
I have to agree about the poor quality of the item descriptions, most likely due to the carelessness of massive websites selling
a boat load of crap, and the usual translation errors associated with asian/English translations. Can you say "Subblebags" without giggling?
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and if I do get pulled over, I'll tell that cop that ZG likes it...and I'm sure he'll say "Have a great ride!"
:)
;D
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I know roughly how bright his other lights are and I know the pitiful LED city lights that I have would never show up like that in comparison unless some time lapse and other photo magic was involved.
Since none of US know how bright that white light is, doesn't help most of us, though! The best comparison would be to take a photo with just one city light replaced (and the other stock) in outdoor illumination from several feet away.
.....as for the search feature Max', you'll be much happier with the results from the advanced search: Maxtog's runnin' lights (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=2236.msg25583#msg25583)
I bow to your much superior searching skills :) :hail:
and if you've got time on your hands, and are willing to add LEDs, and you don't want ballast resistors:
My setup already uses ballast resistors, so I could keep everything else stock. But the resistors are only used when the lamp is off, so as strange as it sounds, I can use LED blubs OR Incandescent.... so I am ready to go as soon as I can find something that will replace a turn signal AND throw off more than 22watts worth of incandescent yellow light.
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Because it is [illegally] displaying a color
That was never proven ....
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That was never proven ....
Nor disproven either. So I will go with common sense.
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Nor disproven either. So I will go with common sense.
Max, I am not trying to debate this...... but some might say that mistaking 2 micro sized green lights, positioned 3' off the ground, for a traffic signal would be more like a lack of "common sense". I understand the example your giving, but you are claiming it to be universally illegal and it isn't. You are a respected member of this forum and you are spreading misinformation just because it sounds logical to you and that is wrong. If you don't like it or think it is a bad idea, fine, share that info as your opinion .............. but don't tell people it is illegal when you really don't know that for certain.
It may be illegal in VA
And probably all other 50 states
BTW, there are only 49 other states. ???
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I thought there was 57.
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I thought there was 57.
Are you sure it isn't 42?
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you are claiming it to be universally illegal and it isn't.
We can agree to just disagree :) That does happen sometimes.
Neither of us has time (or desire) to research the code in all 50 states, and even then it depends on how it is interpreted by the courts and police (for example, based on my interpretation of the Florida code, I *believe* it is illegal there or certainly could be interpreted that way). I *believe* it is illegal in most if not all states, since traffic laws are fairly standardized. And even if not, I still *believe* it is unnecessary, possibly dangerous, and just asking for confrontation with the police.
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Max, I am not trying to debate this...... but some might say that mistaking 2 micro sized green lights, positioned 3' off the ground, for a traffic signal would be more like a lack of "common sense". I understand the example your giving, but you are claiming it to be universally illegal and it isn't. You are a respected member of this forum and you are spreading misinformation just because it sounds logical to you and that is wrong. If you don't like it or think it is a bad idea, fine, share that info as your opinion .............. but don't tell people it is illegal when you really don't know that for certain.
You'd be wise to never underestimate the stupidity of people in general.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oK_0KPcnEBA/TqiSn1cW7PI/AAAAAAAAAb8/XqMW9Mu0xPM/s640/einstein_quote_stupidity.jpg)
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Because it is [illegally] displaying a color reserved for traffic lights that universally means "go". If you are sitting at a traffic light in the front row [illegally] displaying a green light, someone opposite might glance up and see it and decide to go.
Oh you have no idea about the traffic I have to deal with. This is nothing... I live in Palm Beach - the old people capital of Florida for sure...they can't turn their heads, they point and shoot to go where they want, and they're so old that they just don't care if they get killed in their cars. Most can't see over the dashboards, and the worst part of all is that the cops don't want to give "grandma and grandpa" tickets.
If you want to talk about laws, maybe they should require hearing and eyesight testing for people over 65 every time they renew their licenses. In my wonderful state, if you haven't received a ticket, you send them money and they mail you a new driver's license.
(Rant finished) LOL!
Ride Safe!
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[...]If you want to talk about laws, maybe they should require hearing and eyesight testing for people over 65 every time they renew their licenses. In my wonderful state, if you haven't received a ticket, you send them money and they mail you a new driver's license.
(Rant finished) LOL!
Oooh, don't even get me started. Most of the requirements for getting and keeping a license are a joke. I think people should have to pass a reaction test of some type regardless of age.
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oh yea, well in my state they give illegal aliens drivers license.
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Who gives a flying crap whether "technically" illegal or not, put whatever lights you want on until told otherwise by the po-po.
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Hey guys, not sure if it's technically illegal or not so I'm not going to chime in on that argument. I do have green LED city lights and I have had them since I got my 2011. I have been through Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas (where I live), New Mexico and Colorado and not once have I been hassled for the green lights. They aren't the easiest to see in the daylight but at night they look awesome.
On a side note, love the forum. Lots of good information here.
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Hey guys, not sure if it's technically illegal or not so I'm not going to chime in on that argument. I do have green LED city lights and I have had them since I got my 2011. I have been through Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas (where I live), New Mexico and Colorado and not once have I been hassled for the green lights. They aren't the easiest to see in the daylight but at night they look awesome.
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Isn't there a saying to the effect of "it's only illegal if you get caught"?
Like others have stated, do what you want to your bike, and decide IF it becomes an issue. I have "illegal" signals on my Duc, but never been a problem. Technically, I think my smoked marker lenses on the 14 are illegal. Again, never been a problem.
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On a side note, love the forum. Lots of good information here.
Welcome.
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I bought some of those license plate bolt reflectors in blue at a dealership. Haven't had a LEO comment about them yet.
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what utter claptrap!! since i am over 65 and have a perfect driving record and have been driving evidently long before you were born i guess i must be durn lucky having shitty eyesight an all. this is a very slippery slope, why not folks over 60, hell why not 40! if you really want to do something enforce the laws on texting and outlaw handheld cell phone use while driving.
and as an aside, i have purple city lights and just for the fun of it checked with my local MA police chief who thought they looked good!
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Oh you have no idea about the traffic I have to deal with. This is nothing... I live in Palm Beach - the old people capital of Florida for sure...they can't turn their heads, they point and shoot to go where they want, and they're so old that they just don't care if they get killed in their cars. Most can't see over the dashboards, and the worst part of all is that the cops don't want to give "grandma and grandpa" tickets.
If you want to talk about laws, maybe they should require hearing and eyesight testing for people over 65 every time they renew their licenses. In my wonderful state, if you haven't received a ticket, you send them money and they mail you a new driver's license.
(Rant finished) LOL!
Ride Safe!
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this is a very slippery slope, why not folks over 60, hell why not 40!
I agree. I think there should be vision, reaction time, and skills testing for ALL drivers of ALL ages at reasonable intervals. It is true that the older a person is, the more likely he/she is to have poorer vision and slower reaction time, but that rate is all over the spectrum, starting at any age and accelerating at vastly different rates from person to person.
There are a lot of REALLY **** POOR drivers out there of ALL AGES/gender/race/religion/creed/size/shape/color/etc.
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... if you really want to do something enforce the laws on texting and outlaw handheld cell phone use while driving.
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I wished that law worked as well as it was supposed to. We have that law here in WA, but it's still a major problem.
Green lights to state laws to testing.... this thread has some nice depth to it now!
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I agree. I think there should be vision, reaction time, and skills testing for ALL drivers of ALL ages at reasonable intervals. It is true that the older a person is, the more likely he/she is to have poorer vision and slower reaction time, but that rate is all over the spectrum, starting at any age and accelerating at vastly different rates from person to person.
There are a lot of REALLY **** POOR drivers out there of ALL AGES/gender/race/religion/creed/size/shape/color/etc.
Cell phone usage and texting while driving trumps all of that.
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I just ordered three thanks for the link,
If Max thinks their wrong... they must be nice,
I'll take my chances
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If Max thinks their wrong... they must be nice,
;D :thumbs: :chugbeer:
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If Max thinks their wrong... they must be nice,
OK, next, put car tires on, ride with no protective gear, blind everyone with high beams all the time, weave in and out of traffic at high speed and with no signaling, use the lowest octane gas you can find, never change the oil, lug the engine, tailgate, use only the rear brakes, paint your bike pink, and drive drunk..
You are such a rebel- I am impressed!!! ::)
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...never change the oil...
you mean dyno or synthetic?
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Someone find Max's MEDS and take away his keys :stirpot: :deadhorse: :yikes: :shoot: :pukeface: :loco: :rotflmao: :chugbeer:
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OK, next, put car tires on, ride with no protective gear, blind everyone with high beams all the time, weave in and out of traffic at high speed and with no signaling, use the lowest octane gas you can find, never change the oil, lug the engine, tailgate, use only the rear brakes, paint your bike pink, and drive drunk..
You are such a rebel- I am impressed!!! ::)
Do you tend to lean to the left side of things a bit Max?
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Do you tend to lean to the left side of things a bit Max?
I have been accused of leaning right, but NEVER left before!
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I have been accused of leaning right, but NEVER left before!
If that right lean happens while you're on your C14, we know the cause of that. ;)
Here's the cure.
[smg id=422]
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If that right lean happens while you're on your C14, we know the cause of that. ;)
Here's the cure.
[smg id=422]
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :goodpost:
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" Max * Freaking out for 20 minutes about my bike being broken before realizing that SOMEHOW the emergency kill switch got bumped.
* Not paying enough attention and parked pointed a bad way on an incline and nearly being stuck forever.
* Leaving on a trip, forgetting my wallet.
* Getting all "dressed" and start riding and then realize I am somehow not wearing gloves.
* Forget to check the traffic info before leaving and being stuck at the god damn tunnel for F****** ever.
* Drop the Concours from a completely dead stop with no wind, no slick on the ground, simply being tired from waiting at the damn tunnel and somehow lean over just a tad bit too much.... wham.
* Carry on a one sided conversation for at least 5 minutes before realizing my helmet is unplugged.
* Completely ignore the concept of weather and dress for extremely warm weather PLUS neglect to have any additional gear on the bike, then proceed to freeze my a** off.
* Use the added helmet lock and then realize I didn't bring those keys (and then after panicking, finally remembering that I put an emergency key in the glovebox)
* Let's not even talk about how ridiculously lost I have been near my house."
Max you need to have your Mother make a check list for you , then everytime you leave your house you will be prepared ,
Proper Planning Prevents Poor Pitful Perforamce ;)
At least you picked out the right color ... Atomic Silver... Keep Smiling
Serious now
I always to the pat down before walking out the door
Top left pen phone , keys, wallet, If needed fob , change ( my wife will steal it if left behind) ect.
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Max you need to have your Mother make a check list for you , then everytime you leave your house you will be prepared , Proper Planning Prevents Poor Pitful Perforamce ;)
I am somewhat OCD, so that usually helps to make sure I have everything, but often I have that nagging "I know I am forgetting something" feeling. Seems to get worse as I get older.... At least I NEVER lose the FOB, since it is always in my zipped, interior, riding jacket pocket. Yeesh, I guess that is a "pro Kipass" statement.
At least you picked out the right color ... Atomic Silver... Keep Smiling
Silver is the best!
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Cuda gets the the gold star for the search function. :)
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Cuda gets the the gold star for the search function. :)
Indeed
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**************** Coming to a DMV near YOU *********************
Step right over here grandma and we gunna test yall's eye hand coordination with this here Wack-A-Mole game. Are you familiar..............
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**************** Coming to a DMV near YOU *********************
Step right over here grandma and we gunna test yall's eye hand coordination with this here Wack-A-Mole game. Are you familiar..............
Whatever it takes!
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**************** Coming to a DMV near YOU *********************
Step right over here grandma and we gunna test yall's eye hand coordination with this here Wack-A-Mole game. Are you familiar..............
Wack all the moles and you get your license renewed and a cupie doll to boot!
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"Wack all the moles and you get your license renewed and a cupie doll to boot! "
'Cow Pie Bingo' is more their speed.
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Hey HEY DON'T pick on those old ladys at bingo , I worked many Bingo's in my fireman day's
and many play more cards than you have fingers , how they keep up was beyond me.